File 680 (spoiler)

[Sandam]

cane? i dont think so... im sure haibara can identify bullet marks... and how can a cane pierce through seats?
as to theyr identity im sure they are the pair from fuurinkazan. that man said: "it'll save us the trouble of looking for his place..."
that means they dont know where mouri lives. shinichi parents know that. BO know that too...

[Nanatsu no Ko]

i have 2 questions: how do you explain the blood stains and the bullet marks on the seats? if they were yamato and uehara pair from furinkazan case as most people believe?

Go through this thread and you will see my explanations on this case.

http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=18067#p18067
http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=18259#p18259

There is probably some explanation for the blood and bullet marks, like you said. However, I am still hoping that in the case of Okiya we get to see one of those moments where Conan is flat out mistaken on his identity. Of course, I would be okay with Conan getting captured, questioned, and expiremented on by the Organization for a while.

[Rellik]

This chapter just reaffirms that Okiya isn't a member of the BO. The fact Conan suggested they have Okiya pick him up helps with that. Conan would never put Haibara at risk. Just remember the extents that Conan went to before to keep Haibara away from Jodie when he just suspected her. Like during the Bus Hijacking, Conan smeared his blood on her leg just to get her out of the area.
I think that if Conan is so sure he knows who Okiya isn't makes me believe that he knows just who he really is.
The same goes for Ran. Conan forgot to even mention that Okiya was there. If Okiya was dangerous there is no way he would of let Ran walk into something dangerous.

i perfectly agree with this part (im not disagreein wit the rest btw ), theres most likely a reason Conan trusts Okiya, u can clearly tell Conan figured somethin out tat made Okiya go on the not-a-dangerous-person list - better reread the chapters and look for hints

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

i have 2 questions: how do you explain the blood stains and the bullet marks on the seats? if they were yamato and uehara pair from furinkazan case as most people believe?

They're police. I am sort of not surprised that their car took a bit of abuse. For some reason I have the impression that Yamato is not the type to worry about how spiffy his car looks. He probably thinks its manly to have a round or two in the seat. They probably had to arrest a whole bunch of people from the neighboring village who helped conspire to throw the tournament and burn the Fire target from the Fuurinkazen case.
As for why I think they are Yamato Kansuke and Torada Yui (I don't know why people are calling her Uehara) compare the two pictures.

Yamato Kansuke from 680

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Yamato from 618. Note the pattern of the stubbly mustache and dark skin. 

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Torada Yui from 680

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Torada from 618, note the curve of the hair and the "black" lips.

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[Kristantei]

i perfectly agree with this part (im not disagreein wit the rest btw ), theres most likely a reason Conan trusts Okiya, u can clearly tell Conan figured somethin out tat made Okiya go on the not-a-dangerous-person list - better reread the chapters and look for hints

I already have a strong idea of who Okiya really is. I just wasn't going in on it here. This thread is about this case.
I have written a rather long and detailed explanation about Okiya on this forums and Holmes Study.
I still remember how paranoid how Conan was about Jodie getting close to Haibara. Even to go so far as to go to her house with Heiji. He went to great extent to keep Haibara away from Jodie.
I doubt Conan would use her as bait. Watch by the end of this recent case Haibara will feel so embarrassed of suspecting these police that she will also put aside her suspicions of Okiya.
Remember that the only reason Conan gave Haibara about Okiya is that, "No Holmes fan could be a bad person.". We all know that's not true, including Conan. There was the killer from the 'Holmes Freak Murder Case'. Both a Holmes fan and a psycho.

As for why I think they are Yamato Kansuke and Torada Yui (I don't know why people are calling her Uehara) compare the two pictures.

We are calling her Uehara, because that was her family name before she married into the Torada family. (Thought that was a bit obvious.) She didn't really love her husband. She married into the family to investigate. When Yamato asked her for the time he used the name Uehara out of habit. http://www.dctp.ws/V59-Reader/File615-EN/A4.html

I guess I like the idea that now her husband died and she has no reason to stay with that family she went back to her maiden name. Especially, now that the man she really loves is alive and she's working with him again.
So far there is nothing to say that she kept the Torada family name. So, until then I'm sticking with Uehara.

[Misztina]

I doubt Conan would use her as bait. Watch by the end of this recent case Haibara will feel so embarrassed of suspecting these police that she will also put aside her suspicions of Okiya.

I'm not so sure about that. Now she wants Conan to throw Okiya out of Shinichi's house, because she sensed in the recent case by the sea that Okiya has a very dangerous aura, the aura of a BO member. She wouldn't drop her instict just because of a misunderstanding.
Of course it'll turn out that she have been paranoid about our two strange people with no reason, but I think her insticts are much stronger. She sees it as a fact that Okiya is a Bo-member.

[Tenken]

Haibara definitely knew Okiya's true identity after "Ikkaku Rock".

Remember that the only reason Conan gave Haibara about Okiya is that, "No Holmes fan could be a bad person.". We all know that's not true, including Conan.

Of course! When reading that, I thought, the real reason Conan couldn't tell Haibara straight out was because Okiya really is someone who doesn't have the courage to face her, or vice versa.

[Rellik]

i perfectly agree with this part (im not disagreein wit the rest btw ), theres most likely a reason Conan trusts Okiya, u can clearly tell Conan figured somethin out tat made Okiya go on the not-a-dangerous-person list - better reread the chapters and look for hints

I already have a strong idea of who Okiya really is. I just wasn't going in on it here. This thread
is about this case.
I have written a rather long and detailed explanation about Okiya on this forums and Holmes Study.
I still remember how paranoid how Conan was about Jodie getting close to Haibara. Even to go so far as to go to her house with Heiji. He when to great extent to keep Haibara away from Jodie.
I doubt Conan would use her as bait. Watch by the end of this recent case Haibara will feel so embarrassed of suspecting these police that she will also put aside her suspicions of Okiya.
Remember that the only reason Conan gave Haibara about Okiya is that, "No Holmes fan could be a bad person.". We all know that's not true, including Conan. There was the killer from the 'Holmes Freak Murder Case'. Both a Holmes fan and a psycho.

underlined part: i think that is the biggest hint to why Okiya isnt Bourbon - yes it sounds ridiculous but i think Conan is tryin to make a joke out of what he figured out - like wat he always do

If u narrow it dwn tat means 'No Holmes fan' is the main hint.

Haibara definitely knew Okiya's true identity after "Ikkaku Rock".

That's why she didnt torture Conan into kickin Okiya out?

[Tenken]

That's why she didnt torture Conan into kickin Okiya out?

Ask Haibara, she knew
but Conan is not persuaded

[TheBlind]

I doubt Conan would use her as bait. Watch by the end of this recent case Haibara will feel so embarrassed of suspecting these police that she will also put aside her suspicions of Okiya.

I'm not so sure about that. Now she wants Conan to throw Okiya out of Shinichi's house, because she sensed in the recent case by the sea that Okiya has a very dangerous aura, the aura of a BO member. She wouldn't drop her instict just because of a misunderstanding.
Of course it'll turn out that she have been paranoid about our two strange people with no reason, but I think her insticts are much stronger. She sees it as a fact that Okiya is a Bo-member.

I agree that she just won't let it go. Some event has to happen in this case to lead Haibara (if even possible) to trust Conan even more than she does now. If said event happens then she would be "ok" in letting a man she believes to be a B.O. member to live next to her because she is now sure Conan won't let anything happen to her.

The other thing that could happen(which I prefer) is that Haibara gets her own "Ran confront Shinichi moment" at the end of the case. Where Haibara confronts Conan alone about why he won't tell her anything about Okiya and Conan responds with jokes to defuse the situation which in turn just makes Haibara lower her head similar to the case she was introduced. Then we get our "Ran confront Shinichi moment" where it seems like she's crying and asking "why won't you tell me anything?", making Conan get serious, embrace her, and tell her some of the details with a "I'm sorry Haibara I didn't mean--" to be cut off with a "That's it?". Then the scene ends with Haibara explaining she faked the whole thing to get a satisfactory answer out of him meanwhile Conan is still in shock that she went that far and calls her a demon in that little caption box of his at the end of the episode.

Yep I know shamelessly sneaked in a scenario that has a zero chance of happening but we need a Haibara & Conan moment to add more exciment to the series, hear that Gosho, we need one.

[kirite]

Most likely because Haibara has been wrong before, multiple times actually.  If she press the issue he'll just bring up the fact that she's paranoid.  If she forces him to kick him out that will be unreasonable, I really doubt Conan can force "poor student" out of his house without a good reason anyways.

D'aww TheBlind should write fanfiction ^_^.

[Rellik]

wouldnt Conan be freaked out if Haibara did the 'why wont you tell me anything?' thing?

hell probably get a heart attack

Blackmail seems more haibara XD

[TheBlind]

D'aww TheBlind should write fanfiction ^_^.

*Gets Red*
N-no,  it's best we leave that to the professionals....

wouldnt Conan be freaked out if Haibara did the 'why wont you tell me anything?' thing?

hell probably get a heart attack

Blackmail seems more haibara XD

Well she took advantage of his guilt and kindness, so not too far off from blackmail or something she would do.
And Haibara acting like a girl giving Conan a heart attack..?......... . That I would like to see, especially the conversation between Conan and Haibara afterwards in the hospital.

[Kite]

wouldnt Conan be freaked out if Haibara did the 'why wont you tell me anything?' thing?

hell probably get a heart attack

Blackmail seems more haibara XD

Well she took advantage of his guilt and kindness, so not too far off from blackmail or something she would do.
And Haibara acting like a girl giving Conan a heart attack..?......... . That I would like to see, especially the conversation between Conan and Haibara afterwards in the hospital.

Conan (dying from complications for more drama effect): "H ... Haibara ... I'm glad ... to see ... you have finally become ... a real girl .... "

Now that would make one hell of a plot twist!

[Rellik]

wouldnt Conan be freaked out if Haibara did the 'why wont you tell me anything?' thing?

hell probably get a heart attack

Blackmail seems more haibara XD

Well she took advantage of his guilt and kindness, so not too far off from blackmail or something she would do.
And Haibara acting like a girl giving Conan a heart attack..?......... . That I would like to see, especially the conversation between Conan and Haibara afterwards in the hospital.

Conan (dying from complications for more drama effect): "H ... Haibara ... I'm glad ... to see ... you have finally become ... a real girl .... "

Now that would make one hell of a plot twist!

and give the readers a heart attack