Mafia Mafia Mafia! (New Thread Exists)

[Akonyl]

a) I did not give Holmes the go-ahead on revealing the results of his investigation. After all, dead men are supposed to tell no tales.

BTW Akonyl in case of a tie what will happen???

b) If by a "tie" you mean a lynch tie, then you mean that the 2 BO members vote for a townsperon to be lynched, and the two townspeople vote for one of hte BO members to be lynched, then the lynch is stopped, nobody is lynched that day and the mafia continues to kill off townspeople during the night until they're in the majority

the only ways the game can end in a "tie" that I know of i nthis configuration:
1 BO member, 1 Doctor, Doctor saves themselves every night, no lynching happens
1 BO member, 1 Trickster, trickster tricks the BO member every night.
1 BO member, 1 Hunter, and the hunter agrees with the BO member to lynch himself, and then he kills the BO member as he's lynched.

edit: actually there's other ways to tie/stalemate, but they're not very likely either.

[Akonyl]

that brings me to another two points:

a) If the votes for a lynching are tied, there will be no lynching that day.
b) If a lover is attacked during the night and the doctor cures the other lover, that cured lover will still die as dawn comes.

[Conia]

mmm...
I'm lyinching ctu. Too suspicious.
Things are getting complicated...

[CTU]

Don't you see whats going on Callid is the Mafia and is trying to shift blame away from himself.  If we don't Lynch him we will all be killed

I vote for Callid

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Question, although I am not playing. (I'm the omniscient Goro observing the whole situation passively while laughing at the plight of the pathetic humans.) If the trickster selects one of the mafia, but there are two mafia left, does the murder go ahead? If a murder fails to happen during the night shift because either the trickster or the doctor messed up one of the mafia/saved the target do the rest of the players find out why the target didn't die in the morning?

[mangaluva]

Oh dear. So many people dead. At least my lovers are safe... ♥

[Akonyl]

Question, although I am not playing. (I'm the omniscient Goro observing the whole situation passively while laughing at the plight of the pathetic humans.) If the trickster selects one of the mafia, but there are two mafia left, does the murder go ahead? If a murder fails to happen during the night shift because either the trickster or the doctor messed up one of the mafia/saved the target do the rest of the players find out why the target didn't die in the morning?

The trickster can stop a murder from happening by tricking either member of the mafia.

As to the knowledge question:
The trickster is never told what the result of his trick was. However, if (for example) the Doctor is dead, and nobody dies one night, he can deduce on his own that he tricked a member of the mafia.
However, the doctor is told whether the person he treats during the night was attacked by the mafia or not. Nobody will know who was attacked that night except the doctor and the mafia, because the mafia attacked while they were asleep, and the doctor's medical wonders completely heal the body.
In both cases, the intended victim is never told what happens. They're as oblivious as the rest of the town, who just knows that nobody died that night.

That said, you should play next game, as unless someone else wants to take over, I plan on adding a few tweaks that will make things more complicated (and could use another player who thinks things through)
nooooot poooooointing aaaaany fiiiiiiingers

[Elika12]

I vote for Ctu

[Akonyl]

uh oh... could this spell the end for ctu?

stay tuned!

[Sakina]

Mwuahaha!  And now Ctu dies.  And after that, their partner bluekaitou. 

[Callid]

OK, I said I'd give you an explanation. Here it comes. I'll first start with myself:

I am

*makes dramatic appearance, jumps onto the stage, slips and falls through the not-secured trap-door*

Well, as you might have guessed, I'm Eisuke - and in love with Kogoro alias Conia. We two, mangaluva (Yumi) formed the Lover's Union.
Since we are both townsfolk, we'll also win if the town wins and we're alive, therefore we can safely ally with every not-BO-player.

At first, I considered the Trickster a very weak role, just like you did. But, after analysing him, I found him to be stronger than any other character, including the detective, the doctor and the slanderer. The strength lies hidden in his ability. I noticed it after Ran's death. I tricked bluekaitou this night, and since someone got killed, I could now safely trust him - if he were BO, we wouldn't have had any deaths! After the double-killing, I knew that all me, Conia, mangaluva, ranger, bluekaitou and Ran were innocent, leaving "only" 5 suspects out of 9 living people. At that time, I asked bluekaitou to join the Union.

The following night, I tricked Elika. Again someone died, Holmes, the detective, and now only three possible BO members remained: Ctu, Beastly and Sakina, while I had 5 sure allies.
At this time, Beastly announced he were Ai. While he can do so safely, it were very useful to me. If he were a BO member, he might claim himself to be townsfolk, but to declare himself Ai was very dangerous if the "true" Ai would show up (and we have an Ai, since Akonyl already informed us about 3 of 4 villagers (although he said it were only models, I believed he wouldn't just make himself additionally work to invent a new description while ignoring a main character  ;D)). And yes, there's also no Ai among the other members of the Union. Therefore I considered it unlikely for him to be BO, and could therefore conclude that Ctu and Sakina were the BO.

I decided to go for Ctu first and informed the Union while also posting my post above, but it were at break at school and I hadn't enough time to make a post like this. Now three possibilities remain:

• About 80%: Ctu is BO, and Sakina is as well. Since I'll trick Sakina this night, the BO will die tomorrow.
• About 10%: Ctu isn't BO, but Sakina and beastly are. In this case it will simply take one more round since I'll always trick Sakina.
• About 10%: Ctu is BO and Beastly is, yet Sakina isn't. This is the most unpleasant case, since the BO will be able to kill one more time, but because you know I tricked Sakina (Ctu is confirmed as Mafia and dead), you can easily conclude Beastly is BO and, even if both I and Conia were killed (because we're lovers), we'd still win since you would outvote him 3:1 (bluekaitou, Elika, Sakina (!) - Beastly).

To sum it up, I'll give you our table, but I removed the identities of the others members. It's safe to tell them know, so they may do it on their own, but I won't give this information away. Yet they are all enemies of the BO for sure, and that's the important thing. Everything that is bold is sure.


Current informations of the Lover's Union:

bluekaitouNot BO
coniaNot BO
rangerHunter (+)
BeastlyClaims to be Ai
SakinaMost likely BO
CallidEisuke
mangaluvaYumi (+)
HolmesShinichi (+)
Elika12Not BO
CtuMost likely BO
xcommando       Ran (+)


If you don't believe me, you might ask the other members. You might also ask dead mangaluva about the lovers, if Akonyl allows it.

And now the most important thing:
According to the information, we'll vote for Ctu. However the result, I'll trick Sakina, so they won't be able to kill anyone as long as Beastly's claim is right, and if someone die, simply go for Beastly.

Signed, Callid, also known as Eisuke or Trickster, plan-maker (and also somehow the leader) of the Union.

P.S.:
If you notice any error or notice something that seems not logic or even contradictory, inform me. I might have made a mistake somewhere in this long post.

[Conia]

Checkmate BO

[Callid]

Actually, we can already "claim", if Akonyl agrees 

[Conia]

I'd like that

[Sakina]

o.O  Callid's really thought this through.