Mafia Round 13 - Unlucky Days in Akonyland (BO wins on Day 1

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Re: Mafia Round 13 - Unlucky Days in Akonyland (Night 2- End

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Dus wrote: The problem is: Everyone but xpon agrees that it would be best to wait and check whether nomemory is Vermouth or Kid. Xpon went to bed, so it's quite likely he has already sent in his arrest. So there's little we can do about that. Even if he's lynched, nomemory is in jail. Can the DB identify someone who's in jail?

I have to say, my vote goes to xpon. It would of course be a loss if he's Megure. But frankly, he's the townie we'll miss the least. The BO can get rid of him fairly easily and he hasn't been very co-operative either. His will on the other hand, might help verify the identities of a few people I'm still not sure about.

If nomemory is disguised as Akai (as xpon claims), then she'll kill a townie with her. Probably xpon anyway. So, unless some very solid evidence against some other player turns up, gambitting xpon is our best bet.
I can see you first point. If Xpon is gone and really Megure, then nomemory will be arrested. And we won't be able to prevent that. On the other hand, maybe it will turn out useful at some point? I mean, either he is Vermouth (= arresting was a good choice), or he was KID (= arresting was bad... on the other hand the BO won't be able to kill him while he is in prison. And if we find the real Vermouth we know for sure we can trust him. Or have Eri get him out of prison when necessary.)

Right now, I would say Xpon is more dangerous for the BO. If he really is Megure and survives the night then he likely will do another house-search next night. The BO won't risk that, so they HAVE to kill him now. (Or face the risk that he will either arrest one of them or confirm one player as town).
No, I think lynching him would be bad. I think it would be much smarter to vote for a real BO (if someone with a lead still turns up), or vote for nomemory who will be arrested before being lynched. Which, to my understanding, would end the day again without lynching someone, giving us enough time next night to find the next suspect.

The more I think about it, the worse lynching Xpon seems to me. I suggest we should vote for someone else. I know, the BO will try to get him lynched if possible (and if he is town), there is no need of us to help them with it. If they want to lynch him, we should force them to vote for him themselves, thus revealing themselves. The more townies vote against Xpon the easier the BO will be able to blend in.

No, gambiting xpon is bad I think. A gambit is only a gambit if you gain an advantage by sacrificing the pawn. I don't see how sacrificing Xpon gives us any advantage. And a gambit without an advantage is no gambit, it is simply a mistake.


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I feel like: *I'm not voting.*  unless there are actual leads :P
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Question:
Dus wrote:Can the DB identify someone who's in jail?
Answer:
Akonyl wrote: Arrested
Arrested players may not take any further actions, nor have any further actions done to them except for the Lawsuit.
Question:
CTU wrote:Then can a DB see through a disguise?
Answer:
Akonyl wrote: * Identify
- Role with that action: DBs: Ayumi, Mitsuhiko, Genta
- Decide together to Identify one persons role (Akonyl is Sonoko, Callid is Eisuke, mangaluva is Bourbon)
- They use Identify all together. So they can just Identify one player's role together per Day.
- If one of the Detective Boys is prevented from using his day ability (for example by Tequila), the Identification could either succeed or fail, depending on the number of undisturbed Detective Boys. For example if 2 other DB are still in the game, the chance to fail is 1/3. If only one more is still active the chance to fail is 1/2. If it is the last DB it will always fail.
- If the person is disguised, they can't Identify the disguise but have to Identify if the player is 1412 or Vermouth.
- The ranking of the DB are: Ayumi, Mitsuhiko, Genta.  If the GM gets conflicting orders on whom to Identify, the GM will use this ranking.
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Re: Mafia Round 13 - Unlucky Days in Akonyland (Night 2- End

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Abs. wrote: Question:
Dus wrote:Can the DB identify someone who's in jail?
Answer:
Akonyl wrote: Arrested
Arrested players may not take any further actions, nor have any further actions done to them except for the Lawsuit.
Question:
CTU wrote:Then can a DB see through a disguise?
Answer:
Akonyl wrote: * Identify
- Role with that action: DBs: Ayumi, Mitsuhiko, Genta
- Decide together to Identify one persons role (Akonyl is Sonoko, Callid is Eisuke, mangaluva is Bourbon)
- They use Identify all together. So they can just Identify one player's role together per Day.
- If one of the Detective Boys is prevented from using his day ability (for example by Tequila), the Identification could either succeed or fail, depending on the number of undisturbed Detective Boys. For example if 2 other DB are still in the game, the chance to fail is 1/3. If only one more is still active the chance to fail is 1/2. If it is the last DB it will always fail.
- If the person is disguised, they can't Identify the disguise but have to Identify if the player is 1412 or Vermouth.
- The ranking of the DB are: Ayumi, Mitsuhiko, Genta.  If the GM gets conflicting orders on whom to Identify, the GM will use this ranking.
Yep, not voting it is... :-\
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The thing is, as of now, Akonyl isn't sure what happens if someone gets both most votes and arrested. I trust he'll post it once he's decided.
I agree that it would be best if we don't have to lynch anyone in this phase and if it turns out that nomemory won't be killed if xpon arrests her, I'll change my vote to nomemory. (If, on the other hand, that was all a spectacular bluff on xpons side, then that's even worse).
You're right, calling it a gambit is a bit of a stretch. But it would do one thing: It would prove xpons identity beyond any doubt. As of now, I'm completely confused by his haphazard playing style and have no idea whether or not I can trust him. And if we decide to kill someone else, more or less at random, then we run the risk of killing another valuable player who has yet to give away his identity.

As I said, I'd gladly vote for anyone else I'm suspicious of, but right now, no-one presents themselves.
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haphazard playing style is EXACTLY right.... :-\
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Then I will Identify who I think 1412 is and see if I am right
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Re: Mafia Round 13 - Unlucky Days in Akonyland (Night 2- Ends Wednesday 12am EDT)

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Holy cow people! I think I just read like 12 freaking pages! :o

Anyway. What was important?

On lynching nomemory: I won't until I have further proof.

On the xpon issue: If he reveals anymore information he shouldn't, and he doesn't get lynched this phase, then I'll be voting for him next day (unless we have a solid lead), whether he's townie or not. I'm tired of him leaking stuff just because he's mad that people want to kill him (for leaking stuff! Gee, what a surprise!). That means I guess I'll be not lynching him today.

As for the lynching, I'm not sure yet who to vote for. We have no leads. We have nothing. So, basically, I guess it's back to random voting.
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PhoenixTears wrote: Holy cow people! I think I just read like 12 freaking pages! :o

Anyway. What was important?

On lynching nomemory: I won't until I have further proof.

On the xpon issue: If he reveals anymore information he shouldn't, and he doesn't get lynched this phase, then I'll be voting for him next day (unless we have a solid lead), whether he's townie or not. I'm tired of him leaking stuff just because he's mad that people want to kill him (for leaking stuff! Gee, what a surprise!). That means I guess I'll be not lynching him today.

As for the lynching, I'm not sure yet who to vote for. We have no leads. We have nothing. So, basically, I guess it's back to random voting.
I'm not voting. :-\
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Khinkhun wrote:
PhoenixTears wrote: Holy cow people! I think I just read like 12 freaking pages! :o

Anyway. What was important?

On lynching nomemory: I won't until I have further proof.

On the xpon issue: If he reveals anymore information he shouldn't, and he doesn't get lynched this phase, then I'll be voting for him next day (unless we have a solid lead), whether he's townie or not. I'm tired of him leaking stuff just because he's mad that people want to kill him (for leaking stuff! Gee, what a surprise!). That means I guess I'll be not lynching him today.

As for the lynching, I'm not sure yet who to vote for. We have no leads. We have nothing. So, basically, I guess it's back to random voting.
I'm not voting. :-\
coward  :-\
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Re: Mafia Round 13 - Unlucky Days in Akonyland (Night 2- Ends Wednesday 12am EDT)

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Parkur wrote:
Khinkhun wrote:
PhoenixTears wrote: Holy cow people! I think I just read like 12 freaking pages! :o

Anyway. What was important?

On lynching nomemory: I won't until I have further proof.

On the xpon issue: If he reveals anymore information he shouldn't, and he doesn't get lynched this phase, then I'll be voting for him next day (unless we have a solid lead), whether he's townie or not. I'm tired of him leaking stuff just because he's mad that people want to kill him (for leaking stuff! Gee, what a surprise!). That means I guess I'll be not lynching him today.

As for the lynching, I'm not sure yet who to vote for. We have no leads. We have nothing. So, basically, I guess it's back to random voting.
I'm not voting. :-\
coward  :-\
EXACTLY! :P I'm not a risk taker, hence the reason I'm still alive :P
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Re: Mafia Round 13 - Unlucky Days in Akonyland (Night 2- Ends Wednesday 12am EDT)

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Khinkhun wrote:
PhoenixTears wrote: Holy cow people! I think I just read like 12 freaking pages! :o

Anyway. What was important?

On lynching nomemory: I won't until I have further proof.

On the xpon issue: If he reveals anymore information he shouldn't, and he doesn't get lynched this phase, then I'll be voting for him next day (unless we have a solid lead), whether he's townie or not. I'm tired of him leaking stuff just because he's mad that people want to kill him (for leaking stuff! Gee, what a surprise!). That means I guess I'll be not lynching him today.

As for the lynching, I'm not sure yet who to vote for. We have no leads. We have nothing. So, basically, I guess it's back to random voting.
I'm not voting. :-\
I have calmed down a bit by now, and I think I'll revoke my vote as well. I'm still pissed off by xpon, but killing him IS a bit extreme, he could still be very valuable once we beat some reason into him. Or at least it would be the BO that has to kill him.
I'm still hoping for another possible BO member or Akonyl announcing that nomemory will survive if she's arrested in time.
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Re: Mafia Round 13 - Unlucky Days in Akonyland (Night 2- Ends Wednesday 12am EDT)

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Khinkhun wrote:
Parkur wrote:
Khinkhun wrote:
PhoenixTears wrote: Holy cow people! I think I just read like 12 freaking pages! :o

Anyway. What was important?

On lynching nomemory: I won't until I have further proof.

On the xpon issue: If he reveals anymore information he shouldn't, and he doesn't get lynched this phase, then I'll be voting for him next day (unless we have a solid lead), whether he's townie or not. I'm tired of him leaking stuff just because he's mad that people want to kill him (for leaking stuff! Gee, what a surprise!). That means I guess I'll be not lynching him today.

As for the lynching, I'm not sure yet who to vote for. We have no leads. We have nothing. So, basically, I guess it's back to random voting.
I'm not voting. :-\
coward  :-\
EXACTLY! :P I'm not a risk taker, hence the reason I'm still alive :P
Or, you know, I just haven't taken the opportunity to kill you yet. :P Kidding! :-*
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Re: Mafia Round 13 - Unlucky Days in Akonyland (Night 2- Ends Wednesday 12am EDT)

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Dus wrote:
Khinkhun wrote:
PhoenixTears wrote: Holy cow people! I think I just read like 12 freaking pages! :o

Anyway. What was important?

On lynching nomemory: I won't until I have further proof.

On the xpon issue: If he reveals anymore information he shouldn't, and he doesn't get lynched this phase, then I'll be voting for him next day (unless we have a solid lead), whether he's townie or not. I'm tired of him leaking stuff just because he's mad that people want to kill him (for leaking stuff! Gee, what a surprise!). That means I guess I'll be not lynching him today.

As for the lynching, I'm not sure yet who to vote for. We have no leads. We have nothing. So, basically, I guess it's back to random voting.
I'm not voting. :-\
I have calmed down a bit by now, and I think I'll revoke my vote as well. I'm still pissed off by xpon, but killing him IS a bit extreme, he could still be very valuable once we beat some reason into him. Or at least it would be the BO that has to kill him.
I'm still hoping for another possible BO member or Akonyl announcing that nomemory will survive if she's arrested in time.
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Question:
Dus wrote: I'm still hoping for another possible BO member or Akonyl announcing that nomemory will survive if she's arrested in time.
Answer:
Akonyl wrote: Order of actions
- If multiple incompatible actions are submitted by a player, the last one before time is up is the one that will go through.
- Arrest > House Search > Protection charm > APTX > Discombobulating > Killing > All other actions
Example 1a:
Akonyl) Arrest Abs. for killing Kleene on Night 1.  Investigate if pofa slandered conia.
Abs.) Kill Akonyl.
Result: Akonyl arrests Abs.  Abs. does not get to kill Akonyl.  Akonyl investigates if pofa slandered conia.
Example 1b:
Akonyl) Investigate if pofa slandered conia.
Abs.) Kill Akonyl.
Result: Abs. kills Akonyl.  Akonyl does not get investigation results.
Example 2: (Day 3)
Beastly) APTX pofa = Satou.
pofa) Arrest Beastly for killing Laurell on Night 2.
Result: pofa arrests Beastly.  Beastly does not get to use APTX on pofa.  APTX is confiscated. (See APTX under Day actions)
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