Okiya Subaru's True Identity

[Conan 48:69]

Why did Okiya drink Bourbon, the possible answers are:

Nothing, it is just a coincidence

Okiya is the pyromanic who downed Bourbon for good luck before commiting arson, as mentioned by Conan in the beginning File 638.

Okiya is the Black Organization member named Bourbon due to his deduction skill.

Okiya has the big grudge to the Black Organization member named Bourbon. Okiya is possibility from FBI or CIA.

Okiya is Akai Shuichi in disguise. (Many fans hope so)

Okiya is Vermouth in disguise, that why Ai-chan is afraid to him why she saw Okiya for the first time.

If Okiya drinks Sherry instead of Bourbon, then man fans will expect he is Bourbon who are chasing Ai-chan.

No matter what, we will know in the future.

The story I think:

Maybe the story of Okiya/Bourbon going to be identical to Mega Man 7. Mega Man 7 is the debut of mystery robot named Bass, Bass mentioned to Mega Man that he was battling Dr Wily as well. Later, it revealed that Bass was apparently Dr Wily's creation.

Just like Conan trusts Okiya is a good guy, but later when Conan sees that Kudo residence, Agasa residence or Mouri Detective Agency is kaput and Ran or Ai-chan is kidnapped or serious injured by Okiya. And then Gin reveals to Conan that Okiya's true identify is the spy sends by Black Organisation, in order to investigate that did Kudo Shinichi is still alive and where is Sherry. Gin taunts Conan that he knew that Conan/Shinichi is stupid enough to trust Okiya when Okiya just say a little thing about Holmes and treat Okiya as Holmes' fan and let him stay in Kudo residence.

[Zurah]

Do you really think, shinichi would let anyone suspicious stay in his house so easily? I don't think so, There are two possibilitys:


1. Okiya is Akai in disguise

2. Okia is someone simmilar to Akai, someone who want to destroy the organisation and was told to contact conan in case that something should happen to Akai.


Remember, there is no evidence that Ai  would not react to Akai like she reacts when is is near another memeber. The only time she saw Akai was in the bus case, and we don't know if her reaction was because of Akai or Vermouth or both.

That are the two possiblilies I hope for

zurah

[Quiet Lurker]

Remember, there is no evidence that Ai  would not react to Akai like she reacts when is is near another memeber. The only time she saw Akai was in the bus case, and we don't know if her reaction was because of Akai or Vermouth or both.

Ai has a similar fear reaction to Akai (see File 383); however the effect is only active when Akai stares directly at her:
- Ai and Conan passed Akai on the street; the news of Itakura's death caused Akai to look direct at the pair, which causes Ai to freeze in panic. The effect quickly passes when Akai turns back around.
- This is VERY similar to the on again off again fear reaction Ai has towards Okiya.

There was also the incidence in File 326, where Ai freezes when Akai looked at her from his van. No other Black Organization operatives were around.

[Shinran]

It ends up that him drinking Bourbon is similar to when Jodie-sensei drank Vermouth, so most likely Okiya is thinking about Bourbon. He's probably either Akai or someone who wants to bring the Organization down. Obviously it's either those two because Shinichi's surely not an idiot to bring just anyone into his home.

[EdogawaConanTantei]

Can someone explain this to me:

Is having ONE REALLY BIG ice cube some sort of Japanese thing? lol, twenty years old and I've never seen an ice cube that big(similar ice cube is used in Rotten Apple arc by Vermouth, ep345).

[LymphatusDjarno]

Can someone explain this to me:

Is having ONE REALLY BIG ice cube some sort of Japanese thing? lol, twenty years old and I've never seen an ice cube that big(similar ice cube is used in Rotten Apple arc by Vermouth, ep345).

Using a big ice ball is better than using a bunch of ice cubes because the reduced surface area causes the ice to melt slower. The drinker doesn't have to worry about his expensive liquor getting watered down.

I swear I'm not a lust. I know any young person below that age of twenty one, such as EdogawaConanTantei or myself, would never consume alcohol lest he or she violate the law of the land. My 11th grade Physics teacher taught my class (entirely comprised of students under 21) this little fact. He must of been an alcoholic...I mean...alcoholic beverage aficionado.

[Rellik]

It would be pretty dull if he is actually another CIA/FBI, i mean i'm alredy sick of them popping up all the time. Using the same trick twice is not interesting at all.

It would be better if he was really Bourbon and we'll be like 'omg i knew he was from BO all along'.

[mitsuhiko2]

I'm pretty sure he's Akai, for the following reasons:

1. Conan's unusually trusting of him, despite Haibara's concerns. This indicates, to me at least, that he knows exactly who Okiya is.
2. He has at least seen Ran, as Ran thought she had seen him before.
3. He does not know Shinichi, or the connection between Conan and Shinichi. This is evidenced by the fact that Conan hid all his things(photo albums, etc.) to prevent him from finding out, and also from the fact that Ran's lie about "Kinichi" being a deduction freak was at least marginally successful.
4. He's very smart, just like Akai was.

Also, I kind of doubt he will just be a new character we've never seen before. The hints Gosho is dropping just don't seem to line up with that possibility.

So, what other characters could there be that fit the above four criteria, other than Akai Shuuichi?

About Bourbon--I'm personally hoping that Mouri Kogoro will turn out to be Bourbon. That'd be a laugh. 

[LymphatusDjarno]

I'm personally hoping that Mouri Kogoro will turn out to be Bourbon.

I think you're onto something there. Perhaps, Mouri (and, therefore, Conan) has unwittingly been working for the Black Organization by following the evidence in crime scenes carefully contructed by the Organization as a means of putting their enemies behind bars. His success to this end led the Organization to give him his own alias, Bourbon.

Of course, the fact that the culprits universally wind up confessing their crimes in front of several witnesses usually including police officers might put a small hole in this theory.

[kirite]

A question:

Why do you guys think he didn't move to dodge Ran's kick?  I always found that weird o.O;.  Is he pretending that he's just a innocent civilian, but even normal people would have at least flinched or something.  It just makes him suspicious...and Ran can shatter concrete last time I remember xD.

[kudoshinchi]

You can add One more point to this discussion,what about Akai=Okiya=Bourban
I mean to say that,what do you thnk of if this "Akai" thing was just to fool the FBI..like Double-Double crossing(just a weird thought,thou)
You can clearly notice that in Ep425 Black Impact-The Moment BO Reaches Out.
"We finally meet.My lovely,lovely archrival Koibito-san"...and just after that Akai shot Gin right through his "scope", but then he instead of giving him another Head shot ,stroke at the points where he was sure that Gin wore bullet vests(Gin is a Coward that's for sure).What does this mean, was Akai trying to proof something to FBI
Or Akai was just trying to convey a clear message to BO that "We are watching over you no matter where you are,and we are well prepared for you)..not sure(coz he is a guy of many secrets)
If this Akai=Okiya=Bourban thing "somehow" comes true..Oh boy what a thing to watch..quite unexpected right..well we have to brace ourselves for these kinds of turnovers, as Gosho-sama is surely planning to take us on a Joyride..quite clear form Rena's true Identity and Shiragami case.

A question:

Why do you guys think he didn't move to dodge Ran's kick?  I always found that weird o.O;.  Is he pretending that he's just a innocent civilian, but even normal people would have at least flinched or something.  It just makes him suspicious...and Ran can shatter concrete last time I remember xD.

Shattering Concrete ,Ya it was shown in DC drama 1 , and in Ep1 the pole got damaged..well nvm..
The answer to your question has many facets

• Either Okiya is not aware of Ran's "karate" capabilities.(which in noway counts here ,as a commoner will also try to dodge a thing, that his reflexes feel, are possible threat to his well being),which is quite possible as ,looking at Ran's "build"(well never judge others by their outer appearances,they deceive most of the time, hehe),so
  that means,either he was too passed out(look at his tired eyes (-!-),while brushing, in the file),which must be one of the possible reasons
• Or he was testing,the extent to which Ran can go, in case of future threats(BO finale)..in case he is a guy of qualities as par with Akai(which he definitely displayed in the paper plane case,deductions were always close to that of conan,almost similar too),or he is indeed Akai  ..its common for guys like him to test their "comrades" qualities the "harsh" way, even putting oneself in danger.And if u look at his just after being kicked out by Ran ,he doesn't show any sign of being Hurt(he must be "Superman" that's one possibility too (~!o) )
• Or he is a guy who likes to get kicked out by girls ..lol
• Or Ran's karate skills are good enough for him, or she was just to quick to knock him down,that he couldn't notice whats coming on to him

[[em]]

Have you guys noticed that in File 622 Conan mumbles to himself : "Wasn't ", but when Ai asks him about it, he says it's nothing.

It pretty much gives away that Conan knows who lives there very well, thus making Okiya a good guy, propably Akai (<3) or his ally.

[kirite]

But at the same time, Shinichi tells Ran not to trust him, if he's sure Okiya is trustworthy then why?

Theory to why he didn't block Ran's kick is:

If he made any move of aggression or panic, Ran will continue to kick his ass on instinct of self defense.  To just take the hit might be the way of saying "I mean no harm".  But then that would mean he's a trained professional.

Or he's suppressing his awareness or "presence" per say.  I kind of got that from Ai's reaction to him.  She "felt" the prescence of a B.O. member at first and then it went away.  Being completely relaxed he probably didn't really register Ran's presence (doesn't really make sense but whatever xDD).

[mitsuhiko2]

He trusts Okiya but he doesn't want him to know he's really Shinichi. If Okiya learns too much from Ran he'll almost certainly make the connection.

[grone4ever89]

Here's a comparison between Akai Shuuichi and Okiya Subaru... do any of you guys notice any similarities??
so what do you guys think? are they the same person?

P.S. sorry I couldn't get a brighter picture of Akai. That picture right there is right before he was shot by Kir that's why it's dark.