What Shinichi doesn't know

Chekhov MacGuffin · December 18th, 2009, 3:38 pm

Abs. wrote:
DthWa1ker wrote:
mangaluva wrote: But there are MK canon things that could fit in DC. Like Kaito's fear of fish. Conan would have soooooo much fun on heists if he knew that.
I forgot about that, now I'm imagining Jirokichi finding out and hiding a pearl or something else in some fish tank in an aquarium.
If they knew that Kaito was afraid of fish and used it on Kid, then... Well, it'd be beside the point... Just freaking go to his high school and arrest him. I'm sure he left fingerprints somewhere in Jirokichi's house during his stint as a maid.

Fingerprints would be useless unless Kuroba's are already in a criminal database. On the other hand, if they suspected Kuroba and had his to match with... I don't regard MK as canon to DC, so who knows how far Nakamori has made headway with his investigation.

Abs. · Post by **Abs.** » December 18th, 2009, 3:46 pm

That's what I'm saying.

They don't know Kaito is Kid.

So why would they use fish on Kid, even if they knew Kaito was afraid of fish?

Chekhov MacGuffin · December 18th, 2009, 4:11 pm

Abs. wrote: That's what I'm saying. They don't know Kaito is Kid. So why would they use fish on Kid, even if they knew Kaito was afraid of fish?

Maybe if they found out Kaitou Kid was afraid of fish, they would use that. I do not how they would find that out though. Maybe at one of Kaitou Kid's heists, Kaitou is busy showing off at a nice dinner party how he got the gem and all that crud, and then Conan nails him in the back of the head with a soccer ball. Kaitou then faceplants into a platter of sushi and sashimi... (He would deserve it for all the trouble he has caused!) If I were to construct a likely scenario on how Kid's phobia would be uncovered, Conan would notice because a disguised Kid goes out of character by not eating a seafood dish. In that case, Conan would probably suspect that Kid has seafood allergies, not that he is scared of fish.

Pretztailfan95 · Post by **Pretztailfan95** » December 18th, 2009, 6:56 pm

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Abs. wrote: That's what I'm saying. They don't know Kaito is Kid. So why would they use fish on Kid, even if they knew Kaito was afraid of fish?
Maybe if they found out Kaitou Kid was afraid of fish, they would use that. I do not how they would find that out though. Maybe at one of Kaitou Kid's heists, Kaitou is busy showing off at a nice dinner party how he got the gem and all that crud, and then Conan nails him in the back of the head with a soccer ball. Kaitou then faceplants into a platter of sushi and sashimi... (He would deserve it for all the trouble he has caused!) If I were to construct a likely scenario on how Kid's phobia would be uncovered, Conan would notice because a disguised Kid goes out of character by not eating a seafood dish. In that case, Conan would probably suspect that Kid has seafood allergies, not that he is scared of fish.

Conan should just torture KID with fish, period. Mwa ha ha~ It'd be so fun watching that if that happened~ Right my fellow KID-hater?

scineram · Post by **scineram** » December 18th, 2009, 7:17 pm

Abs. wrote: That's what I'm saying.

If they already knew Kaito was Kid, then they'd just go arrest him. Never mind using fish on him.

If they only knew Kid is afraid of fish, they could use that against him. I have 500 bucks they will figure that out before his identity.

Pretztailfan95 · Post by **Pretztailfan95** » December 18th, 2009, 7:28 pm

scineram wrote:
Abs. wrote: That's what I'm saying.

If they already knew Kaito was Kid, then they'd just go arrest him. Never mind using fish on him.
If they only knew Kid is afraid of fish, they could use that against him. I have 500 bucks they will figure that out before his identity.

If you bet 500, I'll bet 1,000!

no wait, transfer that to yen.

scineram · Post by **scineram** » December 18th, 2009, 8:12 pm

I was talking about forints. I guess you are not Hungarian.

mangaluva · Post by **mangaluva** » December 20th, 2009, 7:23 am

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Abs. wrote:
DthWa1ker wrote:
mangaluva wrote: But there are MK canon things that could fit in DC. Like Kaito's fear of fish. Conan would have soooooo much fun on heists if he knew that.
I forgot about that, now I'm imagining Jirokichi finding out and hiding a pearl or something else in some fish tank in an aquarium.
If they knew that Kaito was afraid of fish and used it on Kid, then... Well, it'd be beside the point... Just freaking go to his high school and arrest him. I'm sure he left fingerprints somewhere in Jirokichi's house during his stint as a maid.
Fingerprints would be useless unless Kuroba's are already in a criminal database. On the other hand, if they suspected Kuroba and had his to match with... I don't regard MK as canon to DC, so who knows how far Nakamori has made headway with his investigation.

Nakamori did actually suspect Kaito for a while after seeing his face on a heist, but thanks to Akako he now believes that Kaito and Kid are seperate people, and also that any time he sees Kid's face it's just a make. Plus he's disinclined to suspect him because he wasn't around when the heists started twenty years before. I personally think somewhere in the back of his mind that he knows though. I mean, he was meant to be best pals with Kuroba Toichi, I don't think he's that dim.

Kor · Post by **Kor** » December 20th, 2009, 9:43 am

mangaluva wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Abs. wrote:
DthWa1ker wrote:
mangaluva wrote: But there are MK canon things that could fit in DC. Like Kaito's fear of fish. Conan would have soooooo much fun on heists if he knew that.
I forgot about that, now I'm imagining Jirokichi finding out and hiding a pearl or something else in some fish tank in an aquarium.
If they knew that Kaito was afraid of fish and used it on Kid, then... Well, it'd be beside the point... Just freaking go to his high school and arrest him. I'm sure he left fingerprints somewhere in Jirokichi's house during his stint as a maid.
Fingerprints would be useless unless Kuroba's are already in a criminal database. On the other hand, if they suspected Kuroba and had his to match with... I don't regard MK as canon to DC, so who knows how far Nakamori has made headway with his investigation.
Nakamori did actually suspect Kaito for a while after seeing his face on a heist, but thanks to Akako he now believes that Kaito and Kid are seperate people, and also that any time he sees Kid's face it's just a make. Plus he's disinclined to suspect him because he wasn't around when the heists started twenty years before. I personally think somewhere in the back of his mind that he knows though. I mean, he was meant to be best pals with Kuroba Toichi, I don't think he's that dim.

Thanks to Akako, Kaito's identity wasn't revealed
Thanks to Haibara, Conan's identity wasn't revealed

hmm...another resemblence for Akako and Haibara.

AICHAN · Post by **AICHAN** » December 22nd, 2009, 5:56 am

Kor wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Abs. wrote:
DthWa1ker wrote:
mangaluva wrote: But there are MK canon things that could fit in DC. Like Kaito's fear of fish. Conan would have soooooo much fun on heists if he knew that.
I forgot about that, now I'm imagining Jirokichi finding out and hiding a pearl or something else in some fish tank in an aquarium.
If they knew that Kaito was afraid of fish and used it on Kid, then... Well, it'd be beside the point... Just freaking go to his high school and arrest him. I'm sure he left fingerprints somewhere in Jirokichi's house during his stint as a maid.
Fingerprints would be useless unless Kuroba's are already in a criminal database. On the other hand, if they suspected Kuroba and had his to match with... I don't regard MK as canon to DC, so who knows how far Nakamori has made headway with his investigation.
Nakamori did actually suspect Kaito for a while after seeing his face on a heist, but thanks to Akako he now believes that Kaito and Kid are seperate people, and also that any time he sees Kid's face it's just a make. Plus he's disinclined to suspect him because he wasn't around when the heists started twenty years before. I personally think somewhere in the back of his mind that he knows though. I mean, he was meant to be best pals with Kuroba Toichi, I don't think he's that dim.
Thanks to Akako, Kaito's identity wasn't revealed
Thanks to Haibara, Conan's identity wasn't revealed

hmm...another resemblence for Akako and Haibara.

yeah!and akako's personality looks like haibara's
i have the feeling the main character of MK are reused in DC...Gosho can be lazy sometimes...

Abs. · Post by **Abs.** » December 22nd, 2009, 7:03 am

AICHAN wrote: i have the feeling the main character of MK are reused in DC...Gosho can be lazy sometimes...

You forgot to also include how all the cool guys look like Shinichi and most of the attractive women look like Satou-keiji.

DthWa1ker · Post by **DthWa1ker** » December 22nd, 2009, 9:08 am

Well it's true there are some art similarities, like is it me or Conan's fake mother looks somewhat like the female suspect in the recent sushi case? But that's probably just because they are created by the same author. And if we talk about personalities even in completely unrelated series you can find coincidences, it's just going to happen, and a lot of these traits usually form what's called a stereotype, and if we are talking about series by the same author then there is more of a reason for it to happen...

Kor · Post by **Kor** » December 22nd, 2009, 9:42 am

DthWa1ker wrote: Well it's true there are some art similarities, like is it me or Conan's fake mother looks somewhat like the female suspect in the recent sushi case? But that's probably just because they are created by the same author. And if we talk about personalities even in completely unrelated series you can find coincidences, it's just going to happen, and a lot of these traits usually form what's called a stereotype, and if we are talking about series by the same author then there is more of a reason for it to happen...

so a high school detective should have the same personality just like a thief's? And both of their best friend should behave exactly the same?
If Gosho made Kaito's - a thief - personality like the way it is, then Shinichi's - a detective - should be somehow opposite to Kaito's. Of course Kaito was the way he was before becoming Kaito Kid, so it should be more like Kaito Kid - magician. But magicians too are a bit opposite to detectives. the magician creates a trick and a detective has to solve a trick.

DthWa1ker · Post by **DthWa1ker** » December 22nd, 2009, 10:02 am

Kor wrote: If Gosho made Kaito's - a thief - personality like the way it is, then Shinichi's - a detective - should be somehow opposite to Kaito's. Of course Kaito was the way he was before becoming Kaito Kid, so it should be more like Kaito Kid - magician. But magicians too are a bit opposite to detectives. the magician creates a trick and a detective has to solve a trick.

Well, in a way Kaito IS a detective. He only became a thief first to find the truth about his dad's past and death, and then to hinder the organization goals for immortality, even if the reasons are different you can't deny the similarities. Not like all the readers are supposed to know that...

Kor · Post by **Kor** » December 22nd, 2009, 11:37 am

DthWa1ker wrote:
Kor wrote: If Gosho made Kaito's - a thief - personality like the way it is, then Shinichi's - a detective - should be somehow opposite to Kaito's. Of course Kaito was the way he was before becoming Kaito Kid, so it should be more like Kaito Kid - magician. But magicians too are a bit opposite to detectives. the magician creates a trick and a detective has to solve a trick.
Well, in a way Kaito IS a detective. He only became a thief first to find the truth about his dad's past and death, and then to hinder the organization goals for immortality, even if the reasons are different you can't deny the similarities. Not like all the readers are supposed to know that...

I'm talking more about it from an artistic point of view. let's pretend there were only books - no pictures, no anime. Would it really be alright to read a book called Magic Kaito, and then go to the 100 novels-series called Detective Conan and read about characters that are looking/behaving very similiar to the characters you've read in Magic Kaito? Especially when we have:
Kaito vs. Shinichi -- thief vs. detective
Akako vs. Haibara -- magic vs. science
It's not really great in my opinion if you copy-paste the personalities of some characters from one work into another, unless you are trying parodying yourself somehow.

I do praise Gosho though for the personalities of the B.O. members. Each of is very different.

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