Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

[Kite]

maybe he didn't? He wears glasses which make his eyes seem smaller and fake/coloured and differently modelled hair, maybe it was enough to apply some make up? I'm talking about facial make up, making some parts of you face darker and other parts lighter in a professional way can give the impression of a differently shaped face.

dammit stop tryin to destroy evrythin i say XD

fine wat about Ran's kick itself, it shud be strong enugh to knock some1 out and yet he just fell down and sayin 'tat hurts' , i dnt think Yusaku is this tough

ara, but I'm not a follower of the theory that Okiya is Yuusaku, I'm more inclined to believe it's Akai, and he should be able to deflect such a move well enough. :p

[Aluecard]

you know you can take a kick 2 the face and not hert you if you know how 2 asborb it  the inpact

[Starscream]

Maybe they're all the one person? Time will tell.

[DarkStar]

But Akai is the only person Shiho is not always "sensoring". Do you remember the bus hijacking case? When Akai passed her and Conan she did not notice him, but she noticed Vermouth. But later she could "sensor" Akai. It's the same with Okiya. Sometimes she is scared and sometimes she is not. But if Shinichi really trust Akai, why did he remove all of the personal things in his house?

[Kite]

But if Shinichi really trust Akai, why did he remove all of the personal things in his house?

I think he did that just as a precaution. Being too careful won't hurt you (in the worst case it'll only stop you from advancing or make you end up lacking possible important information), while being careless can directly result in Conan and in the worst case everyone who's dear to him getting killed. It's better to have as few people as possible know that Conan is Shinichi, it'll reduce the risk of being sniffed out by the BO.

Besides, it's possible Akai will eventually return to the FBI or at least have contact with them, where a spy could reside, and 'though Akai is a real careful and distrustful guy, it's possible he lets Shinichi's name slip by accident (because he's dead tired/he thinks he and some trustee are alone/the spy is actually someone Akai really trust (gotta be a monster )/...). He'll probably act a little different to Conan anyway after he knows the truth (being able to see Conan/Shinichi as an equal), and that could be noticed by the spy too.

[sstimson]

I still wonder if bourbon even exist.

Just suppose for a moment this. The ease of getting back Rena, the Driver Camel supposedly killed showing up alive. Why would not the BO be suspicious of Rena. That being the case, they could feed her false information and watch to see what happens.

Also as to who Subaru Okiya is. I have a feeling the name is anagram. Figure it out and you will get the character's real name.

Later

[TheBlind]

maybe he didn't? He wears glasses which make his eyes seem smaller and fake/coloured and differently modelled hair, maybe it was enough to apply some make up? I'm talking about facial make up, making some parts of you face darker and other parts lighter in a professional way can give the impression of a differently shaped face.

dammit stop tryin to destroy evrythin i say XD

fine wat about Ran's kick itself, it shud be strong enugh to knock some1 out and yet he just fell down and sayin 'tat hurts' , i dnt think Yusaku is this tough

i still think ran kick in the face wood have taken off any mask    cus man if her kicks  take down doors  make up no prob for her 

Before I start, I would like to make clear that this was a theory I came up with for fun and that's it.

The mask didn't fall off because it's a mask, and like other mask it can only be removed with a certain force. When Heiji wore his mask, he had to pull it off, so why would a direct kick affect Yusaku's mask?
Ran didn't take a swipe or attack his face in any form to make the mask part from his face on the contrary she pushed the masked on to his face with her kick.

As for Ran's kicks being devastating, it varies from situation. There are episodes where Ran's kicks have knocked out Mouri completely out while there are episodes were her kicks only knock Mouri down and he immediately gets back up. Another thing is that Ran kicks people when they don't expect it, so they are caught off guard unlike Okiya who saw the kick coming. So he was able to shift his body into a position were the kick would do minimal damage to his body. So Ran's kicks can't be used as evidence to show that Okiya isn't Yusaku due to them never being consistent in every situation.

Finally, Yusaku like Shinichi(and Sherlock) probably does some sort of recreational activity to keep his mind and reflexes in shape which is why he was able to see Ran's kick coming and placed himself in a good position to take it. He doesn't have the skills to stop it which is why it hit him but his reflexes were good enough to fool Ran like Okiya purposely let her hit him.

[Nyarl]

The mask didn't fall off because it's a mask, and like other mask it can only be removed with a certain force. When Heiji wore his mask, he had to pull it off, so why would a direct kick affect Yusaku's mask?
Ran didn't take a swipe or attack his face in any form to make the mask part from his face on the contrary she pushed the masked on to his face with her kick.

As for Ran's kicks being devastating, it varies from situation. There are episodes where Ran's kicks have knocked out Mouri completely out while there are episodes were her kicks only knock Mouri down and he immediately gets back up. Another thing is that Ran kicks people when they don't expect it, so they are caught off guard unlike Okiya who saw the kick coming. So he was able to shift his body into a position were the kick would do minimal damage to his body. So Ran's kicks can't be used as evidence to show that Okiya isn't Yusaku due to them never being consistent in every situation.

Finally, Yusaku like Shinichi(and Sherlock) probably does some sort of recreational activity to keep his mind and reflexes in shape which is why he was able to see Ran's kick coming and placed himself in a good position to take it. He doesn't have the skills to stop it which is why it hit him but his reflexes were good enough to fool Ran like Okiya purposely let her hit him.

Even the experts' fear their masks can still be messed up somewhat easily.

Ran can take out mooks pretty quickly even when they have their guards up. I think the reason Okiya wasn't completely KOed is that he knows martial arts.

[Starscream]

Can someone please explain this picture? 

Taking from the opening credits of Episode 515.

http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=93010667xk5.jpg

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Can someone please explain this picture? 

Taking from the opening credits of Episode 515.

http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=93010667xk5.jpg

Err, that would be Okiya Subaru with a bottle of bourbon, a glass, and the label blown up in the background. It's probably referring to the scene where Okiya had been drinking bourbon in Shinichi's library after he solved the paper airplane case. Perhaps not so coincidentally bourbon is Akai's fermented liquid of choice.

[Starscream]

Coincidence huh?

[TheBlind]

The mask didn't fall off because it's a mask, and like other mask it can only be removed with a certain force. When Heiji wore his mask, he had to pull it off, so why would a direct kick affect Yusaku's mask?
Ran didn't take a swipe or attack his face in any form to make the mask part from his face on the contrary she pushed the masked on to his face with her kick.

As for Ran's kicks being devastating, it varies from situation. There are episodes where Ran's kicks have knocked out Mouri completely out while there are episodes were her kicks only knock Mouri down and he immediately gets back up. Another thing is that Ran kicks people when they don't expect it, so they are caught off guard unlike Okiya who saw the kick coming. So he was able to shift his body into a position were the kick would do minimal damage to his body. So Ran's kicks can't be used as evidence to show that Okiya isn't Yusaku due to them never being consistent in every situation.

Finally, Yusaku like Shinichi(and Sherlock) probably does some sort of recreational activity to keep his mind and reflexes in shape which is why he was able to see Ran's kick coming and placed himself in a good position to take it. He doesn't have the skills to stop it which is why it hit him but his reflexes were good enough to fool Ran like Okiya purposely let her hit him.

Even the experts' fear their masks can still be messed up somewhat easily.

Ran can take out mooks pretty quickly even when they have their guards up. I think the reason Okiya wasn't completely KOed is that he knows martial arts.

Kid was imitating an old man so his mask had to have certain details which could be disturbed easily. If you look at Heiji, he had tight bandages wrapped around his mask and he wasn't concerned about damage due to the material of his mask being stronger.Kid's mask in this case was obviously of weaker material as the one made by Yukiko. When Kid pulled his mask off, it came off easily and in pieces while Heiji forced his mask off in one motion and the mask remained in one piece. It's safe to assume that Kid used the weaker material to imitate the how the skin of an old man would look and feel but Yukiko didn't have that problem with Heiji or Okiya. They are have an appearance where Yukiko can use the stronger material.

Also if the subject and the "victim" are similar that means less details has to go into the disguise and therefore there's a lesser chance of it being ruined. Yusaku and Okiya have similar enough faces that he doesn't have to worry about little details being out of place. Which is why he didn't mind the kick.

The first few guys didn't have the guard up because she was a girl, which is why she couldn't keep mowing them down like she initialed did at the start. It was only when Makoto showed up and started a brawl of his own (and their attention shifted) that she had openings to continue her rampage. Plus the ring leader was obviously caught off guard if you back track one page in the image you linked.

Finally, all Okiya did was hit a guy in the correct spot on his wrist to make him let go of the knife which Yusaku is capable of. If he indeed does keep his reflexes sharp like Sherlock/Shinichi, it's not crazy to think with addition his knowledge that he would know how to disable a culprit in such a manner. It's not like he did something complicated like disable the guy himself.

This is getting fun.

[Nyarl]

Kid was imitating an old man so his mask had to have certain details which could be disturbed easily. If you look at Heiji, he had tight bandages wrapped around his mask and he wasn't concerned about damage due to the material of his mask being stronger.Kid's mask in this case was obviously of weaker material as the one made by Yukiko. When Kid pulled his mask off, it came off easily and in pieces while Heiji forced his mask off in one motion and the mask remained in one piece. It's safe to assume that Kid used the weaker material to imitate the how the skin of an old man would look and feel but Yukiko didn't have that problem with Heiji or Okiya. They are have an appearance where Yukiko can use the stronger material.

Also if the subject and the "victim" are similar that means less details has to go into the disguise and therefore there's a lesser chance of it being ruined. Yusaku and Okiya have similar enough faces that he doesn't have to worry about little details being out of place. Which is why he didn't mind the kick.

The first few guys didn't have the guard up because she was a girl, which is why she couldn't keep mowing them down like she initialed did at the start. It was only when Makoto showed up and started a brawl of his own (and their attention shifted) that she had openings to continue her rampage. Plus the ring leader was obviously caught off guard if you back track one page in the image you linked.

Finally, all Okiya did was hit a guy in the correct spot on his wrist to make him let go of the knife which Yusaku is capable of. If he indeed does keep his reflexes sharp like Sherlock/Shinichi, it's not crazy to think with addition his knowledge that he would know how to disable a culprit in such a manner. It's not like he did something complicated like disable the guy himself.

This is getting fun.

The kick would still have a good chance of warping a mask somehow. It's not like simply wrapping something around it. Not that Yuusaku would even need a mask, maybe he's just squinting... Okiya's hair blocks face so we can't tell if he has Gin's/Akai's cheekbones.

As for Ran, meh, the first guy she clobbered was surprised. But all of them? The panel I wanted you to notice on the other page was the one with Ran at Makoto's back. She wasn't just sneaking around clobbering mooks who were focused on Makoto, she was taking head on attacks.

As for Okiya's martial arts, it's not just that he batted the knife, but the speed lines as he moved to snatch Ayumi away while the guy was shocked about losing he weapon. That's not to say that Yuusaku doesn't have a some martial arts background. Shin'ichi himself still seems to add new abilities to suit the stories (like the Tarzan tree to tree travel technique). With potential APTX research branches, Agasa inventions, or just constant physical exercise he could still be spry enough.

[H...Haibara]

So how's this going? How thinks Bourbon is who?

[TheBlind]

Kid was imitating an old man so his mask had to have certain details which could be disturbed easily. If you look at Heiji, he had tight bandages wrapped around his mask and he wasn't concerned about damage due to the material of his mask being stronger.Kid's mask in this case was obviously of weaker material as the one made by Yukiko. When Kid pulled his mask off, it came off easily and in pieces while Heiji forced his mask off in one motion and the mask remained in one piece. It's safe to assume that Kid used the weaker material to imitate the how the skin of an old man would look and feel but Yukiko didn't have that problem with Heiji or Okiya. They are have an appearance where Yukiko can use the stronger material.

Also if the subject and the "victim" are similar that means less details has to go into the disguise and therefore there's a lesser chance of it being ruined. Yusaku and Okiya have similar enough faces that he doesn't have to worry about little details being out of place. Which is why he didn't mind the kick.

The first few guys didn't have the guard up because she was a girl, which is why she couldn't keep mowing them down like she initialed did at the start. It was only when Makoto showed up and started a brawl of his own (and their attention shifted) that she had openings to continue her rampage. Plus the ring leader was obviously caught off guard if you back track one page in the image you linked.

Finally, all Okiya did was hit a guy in the correct spot on his wrist to make him let go of the knife which Yusaku is capable of. If he indeed does keep his reflexes sharp like Sherlock/Shinichi, it's not crazy to think with addition his knowledge that he would know how to disable a culprit in such a manner. It's not like he did something complicated like disable the guy himself.

This is getting fun.

The kick would still have a good chance of warping a mask somehow. It's not like simply wrapping something around it. Not that Yuusaku would even need a mask, maybe he's just squinting... Okiya's hair blocks face so we can't tell if he has Gin's/Akai's cheekbones.

As for Ran, meh, the first guy she clobbered was surprised. But all of them? The panel I wanted you to notice on the other page was the one with Ran at Makoto's back. She wasn't just sneaking around clobbering mooks who were focused on Makoto, she was taking head on attacks.

As for Okiya's martial arts, it's not just that he batted the knife, but the speed lines as he moved to snatch Ayumi away while the guy was shocked about losing he weapon. That's not to say that Yuusaku doesn't have a some martial arts background. Shin'ichi himself still seems to add new abilities to suit the stories (like the Tarzan tree to tree travel technique). With potential APTX research branches, Agasa inventions, or just constant physical exercise he could still be spry enough.

It is another possibility that Yusaku isn't wearing a mask like you said but if we still stay with the argument that he is wearing one I'm confident it would survive a kick. The noise made by Heiji's mask when he removed it sound like it was made out of rubber or a similar material, so if keep that in mind it's not hard to imagine a kick not damaging it. It's the same as putting on your Halloween mask and proceeding to bash your face against the wall, the mask will have minimal damage on it (not the same for your face so don't try this at home kids).

As for Ran, I can tell you're a Ran fan and so am I  , to be clear I am not arguing that Ran cannot kick ass because she can. I'm just pointing out that many of the culprits she knocks out fall due to a combination of being caught off guard and not having the proper skills to contend with her (even with their guard up). So when she's placed in a situation like the one you linked, it's understandable and expected that after getting in a few good hits in she would wear down due to the culprits now having their full attention on her (and weapons to make up for the skill they lack) since she is human. Makoto provided the distraction she need to continue her rampage just as Ran provided a distraction for Makoto. With both covering their backs that made the situation manageable as well make the enemy unsure about his attack(off guard).

And now that I cleared that up I have to clear up a second thing. My argument was never that Ran couldn't destroy a punk with his guard up, it was that Yusaku could take one of Ran's kicks if he's ready. Yusaku knowing how the situation was about to unfold could of easily positioned himself to absorb most of her kick and have the intelligence to then proceed to diffuse the situation to stop Ran from attacking again(since he most likely would of had trouble if she kept attacking him ). Finally all Okiya did was knock a knife out of a culprits had and pull a little girl out of his most likely loose grasp while he had his head turned and in shock. Doesn't take a Bruce Lee to do that (though Gosho made it seem that way  ).