Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,061-1066

[vaibhavgupte]

after seeing spoilers of 1065 does anyone still believe camel is alive co i do believe he is still alive. what are your views on it

[DCUniverseAficionado]

​Here are text spoilers, courtesy of BK 201, Mera, NightBaron and CG (these and the spoiler pic translations will only be put in spoiler boxes to reduce the size of this post):

Spoiler:

"Akai lies in an ambush to snipe, and Camel gets shot"
"False information was leaked on purpose by RUM themselves"
"Camel heard this too"

The 3 different descriptions about Rum are all spread by Rum themselves to protect themselves
But the prosthetic eye thing is true
Gin also says that he knows Rum’s location and what they’re doing

- The cover is Conan on the lookout on the fence.
- The organization is looking for Camel who is hiding inside a hut while observing them.
- Chianti and Vodka find Camel and fire at him.
- Camel hides again under fallen tree leaves.
- The Island catches on fire.
- Camel tries to escape but he becomes exposed to the organization.
- Akai tries to snipe and Conan has binoculars.
- Chianti Hits Camel with a lethal shot. (assumption based on the fact the bullet hit the right area of the chest)
- Camel's injury is serious and there is a lot of blood leaving his chest area from both ends, there was enough blood to suggest his lungs exploded, but the major danger is that his mouth also had blood.
- The Camel Scene is horrific and according to what we see, it's a lethal shot, except if Gosho wants to create some action. But as a medical note, if blood leaves through the mouth, Then the amount of damage and tear in the chest area is dangerous specially the stopping of the respiratory system
1066 will be resolution

And here are spoiler pic translations:

Spoiler:

Camel (internal monologue): Roger...
Vodka: But Rum really surprised me…

Vodka: The way he just jumped into our conversation and gave us orders that were all right on the mark…
Chianti: He? Don’t tell me you’ve actually seen Rum’s face?
Camel (internal monologue): Huh?
Vodka: It’s the impression he gives off... There’s all sorts of rumors about him, saying it’s a giant of a man, an effeminate man, an old man, or that he has a artificial eye…
Vodka: But according to Gin... 
Vodka: The only true part of that is the artificial eye. The rest was basically all false information spread by Rum himself to protect his identity.
Chianti: So Gin has met Rum?
Vodka: Yeah...
Vodka: He also knows where he is and what he’s doing...

Chianti: Wow. So where is Rum and what’s he doing?
Akai: Have you moved, Camel?
Camel: Ah, no, right now it’s kinda…
Vodka: That I haven’t heard. [Gin just said (so)]*

Vodka: He changed his face…
Vodka: And took on a silly name…

Camel: I also still have the hunting cap that Akai gave me…
Camel: before I headed out!
Camel: I thought I should really return it afterwards.
Conan: Could it be that that—
Akai: Yes, it’s an invention by professor Agasa...
Akai: Just like my knitted hat!

​

after seeing spoilers of 1065 does anyone still believe camel is alive co i do believe he is still alive. what are your views on it

A fair assumption, if it's primarily based on, "unless it's for a backstory, Goshō won't kill any recurring character", which has panned out as a solid assumption for quite some time.

But we have Andre actually getting shot in the chest (seems to me that Team Shinichi/Conan was hoping the shot—and from Kir, not Chianti—would be near the head so Andre could use the fake blood dispersal tech in his headwear to do the Shūichi fake death trick again). Unlike with Shūichi's fake death, the shooter's intent (Chianti's intent) was to kill/mortally wound—her shot would have to miss, and Andre would have to be wearing movie SFX gear underneath his sweater to dispense a ton of fake blood, and it doesn't seem either of those things are the case.

Considering where Andre is (and how much distance that puts between him and the medical care he desperately needs), and that he seems to be truly bleeding from the mouth (unlike Shūichi), even if Shūichi and Shinichi/Conan can rescue him from the BO, they'd have to get him to the hospital, and even if they somehow did really quickly, it still might not be enough to save him.

In other words, we either have a real chance, here, of a character death (at least, the highest chance of it we've had in a while)... or we're going to come away with the worn observation that Goshō really likes the status quo.

[K_F_G_N_T]

Something little more that points out to Camel may live on

Spoiler:

Credits: @Conangate
1)It says something about Camel being shot from the back(GTL). If this is correct, bullet has not exited his body as seen in 1065 spoiler images.
2) So, it could be Akai shooting a fake bullet at the same time as Chinati. Also, Camel is wearing a cap that is Agasa's invention samely knit as Akai's headgear. So, it could be Rahila Pass all over again
3) Akai too was first shot in his chest, he spit blood from his mouth then. Also, when he was headshot then too he could splash blood.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Spoiler:

1)It says something about Camel being shot from the back (GTL). If this is correct, bullet has not exited his body as seen in 1065 spoiler images.
2) So, it could be Akai shooting a fake bullet at the same time as Chinati. Also, Camel is wearing a cap that is Agasa's invention samely knit as Akai's headgear. So, it could be Rahila Pass all over again
3) Akai too was first shot in his chest, he spit blood from his mouth then. Also, when he was headshot then too he could splash blood.

Spoiler:

1)
We clearly see blood spurt out of his chest. Which means either Chianti's shot hit him, or he triggered the fake blood dispensing invention he was wearing underneath his clothes...
Remember, Shūichi was able to trigger the fake blood dispensing invention he was wearing at Raiha Pass because his left hand was in his pocket, so Gin would be tricked into thinking no fake blood dispensing invention was involved... but Andre's hands are completely open. It's not likely Andre himself triggered the invention (if he even was wearing one).

2)
Why would Shūichi need to do that?

That cap only covers the head—not the body.

3)

Unlike with Shūichi's fake death, the shooter's intent (Chianti's intent) was to kill/mortally wound—her shot would have to miss.

Shūichi was shot from the front by Kir—a disloyal BO member who is in fact seeking its destruction, who had a chance to make a plan with Shinichi/Conan and Shūichi.
Andre being shot in the back by a loyal BO member are complicating variables that Team Shinichi/Conan didn't have to contend with when faking Shūichi's death.

The only way around any of this is if they planned for all of this and had Andre wear a fake blood dispensing invention under his clothes before he even went out there and started getting pursued by the BO... and again, Chianti would have to miss—they'd need some way of making her miss, because I don't think they'd just throw their hands up and say, "oh, well... we sure hope she'll miss!"

[Unlucky Devil]

We haven't established why Akai and Conan are out there on the bridge sniping, but if they think hey can snipe off some BO member, then Gin would know that Shuichi is potentially alive because no one snipes like him so far in the story. The only reason they are there is because there is a way to save him. Yet again, it is only Akai and Conan, so there will definitely be some secrets involved.

Additionally, I have questions about what Vodka says about Rum. How does that add to what we know? For whose benefit is that supposed to be? Is it that Conan didn't tell Akai about Rum's description? After all the conspiring together with Bourbon and even Yusaku, I highly doubt that's the case. So why is this piece of information shared again now? Also, if those decriptions of Rum are lies to conceal Rum, then Rum is neither a bulky guy (rules out Kuroda IMO), nor an effeminate man (technically Rum could still be a woman, so Rumi is still very much in play), nor an old man (I'm unsure if Kannenori is old enough to be called old?)


I reread the chapter of Akai's death, and it seems that Kir shot Akai in his lung at that time, and there was blood that came out of his mouth back then. Only upon insistence from Gin was the shot in the head also fired. The situation is a bit too similar to Akai's to be true. Especially considering the same gadget is involved. I want to wait for further spoiler pics before I jump to whether Chianti actually shot him or not. It could very well be Akai on the bridge in a similar angle to Chianti. Maybe Agasa improved his gadget to create something that exploded blood when triggered.
Maybe I'm just clinging to straws because I want Camel to live somehow, but remember how disappointed we felt when we thought Akai died? Only to be revealed eons later he is alive?

[Kor]

but remember how disappointed we felt when we thought Akai died? Only to be revealed eons later he is alive?

No, because relatively quickly various people pieced together that Akai was alive and disguising as Okiya

[Unlucky Devil]

but remember how disappointed we felt when we thought Akai died? Only to be revealed eons later he is alive?

No, because relatively quickly various people pieced together that Akai was alive and disguising as Okiya

That still happened 10 chapters down the line though XD which with the curent pace is a little way off

[Kor]

I mentioned it in the cbox, but isn't Camel supposed to be appearing in movie 24? I honestly doubt Gosho would kill off a character that's supposed to show up in the movie that's a few months from now, even if said movie was delayed.

Actually, I honestly doubt Gosho would kill off a character, period. (a good recurring character, I mean).

[blackmoon]

Spoiler:

"Chianti: So Gin has met Rum?
Vodka: Yeah...
Vodka: He also knows where he is and what he’s doing...

Chianti: Wow. So where is Rum and what’s he doing?
...
Vodka: He changed his face…
Vodka: And took on a silly name…"

Waat? So we now know RUM is most likely wearing a mask since 'he' changed his face... yet taking on a silly name? Sounds fishy to me, which name is more silly? Wakita or Rumi? Obviously Kuroda's name is not considered silly, right?

Spoiler:

Vodka: But according to Gin... 
Vodka: The only true part of that is the artificial eye. The rest was basically all false information spread by Rum himself to protect his identity.

Well if Rumi was wearing a mask then that could have also covered up the artificial eye and Wakita's eye patch also covers up an artificial eye obviously...

I'm betting on the weak horse yeay time is money right? so much money is like spending so much time

[alphajjc]

I mentioned it in the cbox, but isn't Camel supposed to be appearing in movie 24? I honestly doubt Gosho would kill off a character that's supposed to show up in the movie that's a few months from now, even if said movie was delayed.

Actually, I honestly doubt Gosho would kill off a character, period. (a good recurring character, I mean).

Movie 24 was pushed back because of covid. It was supposed to be released in April of this year so that doesn't really count.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Actually, I honestly doubt Gosho would kill off a character, period. (a good recurring character, I mean).

With such precedent, odds are pretty good Andre makes it through this, generally speaking.

Specifically, the issue is...

The only way around any of this is if they planned for all of this and had Andre wear a fake blood dispensing invention under his clothes before he even went out there and started getting pursued by the BO... and again, Chianti would have to miss—they'd need some way of making her miss, because I don't think they'd just throw their hands up and say, "oh, well... we sure hope she'll miss!"

Alternatively, they could plan for her shot hitting Andre with a flak jacket-like invention, and have Shūichi's shot hit simultaneously to trigger the fake blood dispensing invention. In any case, Shūichi set up to snipe is part of the plan.

[Yondakai]

I think having a real death in Conan's history would be good
It gives mode credit to the organisation..

I'm thinking that we will se real Rum's face in the next case, not him with the disguise.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Here's a full translation of 1,065 (be advised, though, this is an Arabic to English translation, so the two tiers of translation may lead to more errors/mistranslations than there would be with a Japanese to English translation):

Spoiler:

File 1,065
Hunter & Prey

Page 2
Chianti: Shit!
Chianti: He's nowhere to be found!
Chianti: Did he escape from this island!?
Korn: I am also... starting to feel that way...
Kir: That is possible...
Kir: The distance between the Island and Yokosuka beach is 1.2 KM, an appropriate distance for him to swim away.
Vermouth: No, if he intended to escape...
Vermouth: Then he wouldn't have buried the evidence of the fire he lit in the sand on the beach.
Vermouth: If he intended to tell us that he was here, then it would be better to keep the fire lit...
Vermouth: In order to get our attention to focus on the fire instead of the sea, giving him enough time to escape...
Vodka: Then... why didn't he do that?
Gin: Because he can't escape yet!
Gin: Because he expended a lot of energy to get here, he is tired now.

Page 3
Gin: Putting aside the time it would take to do that, even if he tries to escape through the water, we could spot him using our Yacht.
Gin: In short, the Breathless FBI Agent won't find a way out!
Vodka: That's true...
Subaru: Camel...
Subaru: Did you get the thing that I referred to?
Camel: Y-Yes...
Camel: I have entered the Island's Cafe...

Page 4
Camel: I have acquired three sackcloths previously used to store coffee...
Camel: One of the sacks was full so I emptied it... and from the tourist guide office in the cafe I took tape and a scalpel knife...
Subaru: If it really is a cafe... it should have a few straws around. Take one.
Camel: R-Roger...
Camel: But seriously, why am I taking these things?
Camel: They are necessary to allow you to blend in with nature better.
Conan: Can you tell me what things Camel-san has on him at the moment?
Camel: I don't have anything that valuable on me to be honest... a small pen-shaped torch, My FBI ID, a cellphone whose GPS doesn't work anymore and wireless earphones...
Camel: Ah...
Camel: Right...

Page 5
Camel: I also have the flatcap Akai-san gave me before I left...
Camel: I kept it rather than getting rid of it...
Camel: Because I felt like I had to return it...
Conan: Is it possible that...
Subaru: Just like my knitted cap... it too is one of Professor Agasa's creations!
Subaru: Well done, Camel!
Subaru: This could be your winning card...
Camel: T-This is my winning card?!
*door opens*
Chianti: I already told you that there's no way he'd hide in a place where we could find him easily!
Vodka: Let's check it out just in case.
Camel: T-they got to the cafe...
Subaru: Did you secure the route for your escape?
Camel: Yes...
Subaru: Then get away from there at once, the camper's suit attracts attention indoors!
Camel (internal monologue): Roger...
Vodka: But RUM surprises me every time...

Page 6
Vodka: The way he just jumped into our conversation and gave us orders that were all right on the mark…
Chianti: "He?" Don’t tell me you’ve actually seen Rum’s face?
Camel (internal monologue): Huh?
Vodka: It’s the impression he gives off. There’s all sorts of rumors about him, saying it’s a giant of a man, an effeminate man, an old man, or that he has a artificial eye…
Vodka: But according to Gin...
Vodka: The only true part of that is the artificial eye. The rest was basically all false information spread by Rum himself to protect his identity.
Chianti: So Gin has met Rum?
Vodka: Yeah.
Vodka: He also knows where he is and what he’s doing.
Chianti: Wow, so where is Rum and what’s he doing?
Subaru: Have you moved, Camel?
Camel: Ah, no, right now it’s kinda…
Vodka: That I haven’t heard, but according to Gin...
Vodka: He changed his face…
Vodka: And took on a silly name…
Camel: Silly...
Camel: Name...
*Crunch*

Page 7
Vodka & Chianti: !?
Camel (internal monologue): Shit!
Vodka: Bastard!
*Shot*
*Shot*
Chianti: Shit!
*Shot*
Chianti: He escaped through the backdoor!
*Shot*
*Shot*
Vodka: You think you can run!?
*Slip*
*Thud*
Vodka: Shit!

Page 8
Chianti: What's this, a large volume of black beans scattered on the floor!?
Vodka: Beans...
Vodka: Coffee beans?
Subaru: I understand...
Subaru: Thanks to you scattering the coffee beans on the floor, you were able to escape their attack...
Camel: T-to be honest, these were the coffee beans that accidentally fell and scattered when I was opening the sack...
Camel: Now, what do I do with this sack?
Subaru: First cut the sacks from the inside so that both ends are open...
Subaru: Then connect each open end to an open end from another sack using the tape to create a something like a long open tube and then place it in any random trench you find in the forest...
Subaru: Place as many leaves, branches and as much soil as you can on every sack so that it becomes camouflaged...
Subaru: Then get into the sacks and, finally, cut an opening for the straw to allow you to breathe.

Page 9
Conan: It's the Ground Technique, right!?
Subaru: Yes...
Subaru: You can hide while maintaining your body temperature....
Subaru: Could you do that, Camel?
Camel: Somehow, yes...
Gin: Are you telling me you slipped because of coffee beans!?
Vodka: Yeah...
Vodka: I didn't expect him to set up a trap like this...
Gin: ......
Gin: No... it isn't a trap...
Gin: If the sacks are missing... then he is planning to hide in the ground...
Gin: Did you hear that!? Let's search every inch before sunrise and fully corner him!
RUM: Wait...
RUM: There is a better way!

Page 10
Jodie: He hid inside the sacks?
Jodie: Just like a ninja!
Subaru: Yes... looking everywhere on the Island would consume a lot of time...
Subaru: There are two hours left until the island workers show up...
Subaru: If he could hold on till then...
Subaru: Then Camel will survive!
*FBI cheering*
Jodie: Contact us when there are new updates...
Subaru: Roger.
Yusaku: ......
Yukiko: What's wrong, Yusaku?
Yusaku: I'm just thinking about...
Yusaku: What I would do if I was in their place...

Page 11
Subaru: Do you hear me, Camel?
Subaru: We Just arrived at Namikaze Park, which gives us a view of the Island.
Subaru: Is everything alright on your end!?
Camel: Y-yes...
Camel: The situation is good underground...
Camel: So good that I am starting to feel a little hot...
Subaru: H-hot?!
Conan: A-Akai-san!!
Subaru: !?

Page 12
Conan: The island...
Subaru: ...is on fire!
Subaru: Get out from the ground immediately, Camel!
Camel: W-What?!
Subaru: You'll burn to death!
Conan: Akai-san...
Conan: There is no way other than using that!
Camel: Oh my god...
Camel: When did this fire...?!
Subaru: Do you still have the tape and scalpel knife that you found in the tourist guide office?!
Camel: Y-yes...
Subaru: Was there a printer?!
Camel: Yes... I think there was one...

Page 13
Vermouth: Even though it's a dry season, it's burning too fast!
Kir: We have to hurry, fire-boats from the fire department will be here soon...
*Camel drops down behind Vermouth, Kir and Chianti*
Chianti: He's here... he's heading for escape towards the shore!
*Shot*
Korn: He really came out...
Vodka: Just as RUM said...
Gin: Don't praise him every time!
*Open gate*
*Close gate*

Page 14
Gin: Heh...
Gin: Do you think you created a barrier between yourself and us like that!?
Gin: If you calmly/peacefully come with us...
Gin: I'll kill you without letting you suffer...
Camel: A-Akai-san!
Subaru: Wait, Camel....

Page 15
Subaru: Come a little closer...
Subaru: The wind's direction is from the left...
Conan: Add one degree...
Conan: Distance to target is 1334.2 yards...
Subaru: Ok, Camel...
Subaru: RUN!
Vodka: He's escaping!
Chianti: I'm gonna shoot!
Kir: As usual, to the head...
Gin: No...
Gin: From the back, shoot his heart!
Kir (internal monologue): What?
Chianti: With pleasure!
*Shot*

Page 16:
*Impact*
Camel: Ugh...

Side Note: The piercing bullet of treachery!
To be continued next SS double issue, next week...

(Contained within spoiler box to shorten length of post)

With this, I'd say Andre's odds of making it through this just went up.

[Kor]

Here are several guesses on what might happen next:

Camel will live, so I'm basing my guesses based on that.

Option 1: They get a good look at Camel's face and thus Kir's in trouble.

Option 2: They want to take a good look, but then Akai shoots them and makes them flee. This in turn makes Gin suspicious because he may think only Akai could make these shots. I think Conan's saying it's 1334.2 yards distance, which is even farther than Akai's shots back in ep 425 if I recall correctly. So with this option either Gin becomes suspicious right away and Kir will be in trouble, or Gin will consider the possibility but won't immediately act upon it. (Although since now Rum is doing most of the thinking for the BO, maybe it'll be Rum who becomes suspicious)

Option 3: They don't get to take a good look at Camel's face, they leave and they learn nothing, back to status quo, everyone's safe.

Those guesses aside, I'd like to hope for some more bits of info about Rum. Not expecting anything major, though. Also I'd like to hope this ends on this sort of cliffhanger that has to be immediately followed up on in the next case (we'll still be in vol 100, so...), but it's DC so a direct continuation may only happen when we're chapter 1100.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Here are several guesses on what might happen next:

Camel will live, so I'm basing my guesses based on that.

Option 1: They get a good look at Camel's face and thus Kir's in trouble.

Option 2: They want to take a good look, but then Akai shoots them and makes them flee. This in turn makes Gin suspicious because he may think only Akai could make these shots. I think Conan's saying it's 1334.2 yards distance, which is even farther than Akai's shots back in ep 425 if I recall correctly. So with this option either Gin becomes suspicious right away and Kir will be in trouble, or Gin will consider the possibility but won't immediately act upon it. (Although since now Rum is doing most of the thinking for the BO, maybe it'll be Rum who becomes suspicious)

Option 3: They don't get to take a good look at Camel's face, they leave and they learn nothing, back to status quo, everyone's safe.

Those guesses aside, I'd like to hope for some more bits of info about Rum. Not expecting anything major, though. Also I'd like to hope this ends on this sort of cliffhanger that has to be immediately followed up on in the next case (we'll still be in vol 100, so...), but it's DC so a direct continuation may only happen when we're chapter 1100.

1334.2 yards = 1219.99248 meters
Yeah, that's around double his roughly 700 yard/640.08 meter range from Black Impact (499–504/425).

If 1,066 is a true conclusion (and there'll be no immediate continuation next case), then there's a lot to wrap up in just 16 pages after the 1,065 cliffhanger. At least 1 page will need to address how Andre survived (i.e., how he used the printer mentioned by Shūichi in 1,065). The intent of this plan can't be for him to just lay there playing dead, since that means 1) Korn will see his face and 2) there'll be nothing stopping Gin putting a bullet in Andre's head for good measure (or ordering Kir to do it). After getting away from the BO, Andre will then have to make it to Shinichi/Conan and Shūichi/Subaru, and they will all then have to escape the area. And this doesn't even get into whether Korn will see Andre's face or not (and what potential complications/subversions may result).

And Volume 100 has been nothing but this BO thread so far, so it'd be nice consistency if the last file of the volume (File 1,069) still followed this thread. Well, even if this case doesn't continue into the next one like the previous case and this case did, 1,067 will at least have some reference to 1,061–1,066.