(SPOILERS) A new and dangerous theory concerning Sera and the mysterious girl!

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Though I still don't understand why Masumi and Shuuichi have different surnames. It may be possible that their mother married twice
Maybe Masumi changed her last name for her mother's birth-name because her father was dead?
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Startold wrote:
Though I still don't understand why Masumi and Shuuichi have different surnames. It may be possible that their mother married twice
Maybe Masumi changed her last name for her mother's birth-name because her father was dead?
That's what I am guessing.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Startold wrote:
Though I still don't understand why Masumi and Shuuichi have different surnames. It may be possible that their mother married twice
Maybe Masumi changed her last name for her mother's birth-name because her father was dead?
That's what I am guessing.
Well, Sera did suggest that was the case. :P
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aly_angelflight wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Startold wrote:
Though I still don't understand why Masumi and Shuuichi have different surnames. It may be possible that their mother married twice
Maybe Masumi changed her last name for her mother's birth-name because her father was dead?
That's what I am guessing.
Well, Sera did suggest that was the case. :P
But why would she do that? Hmm... I really wonder...
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OFF TOPIC: I am not sure about the Japanese culture, but just to let you know that in some cultures it is normal to marry cousins :)
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kholoudsafir wrote:OFF TOPIC: I am not sure about the Japanese culture, but just to let you know that in some cultures it is normal to marry cousins :)
yea that's true!! And its not off topic since we're talking about akai and akemi..potential cousins! ! ;)
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MeiTanteixX wrote:
kholoudsafir wrote:OFF TOPIC: I am not sure about the Japanese culture, but just to let you know that in some cultures it is normal to marry cousins :)
yea that's true!! And its not off topic since we're talking about akai and akemi..potential cousins! ! ;)
Hmm... Looks a bit strange though.. ^^"
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aly_angelflight wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Startold wrote:
Though I still don't understand why Masumi and Shuuichi have different surnames. It may be possible that their mother married twice
Maybe Masumi changed her last name for her mother's birth-name because her father was dead?
That's what I am guessing.
Well, Sera did suggest that was the case. :P
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Hello all, that's a very cool finding! I have a theory which is based on b-okiya's friend's theory:
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I believe Sera isn't lying about having lived in the U.S. but also the hints abouts her British heritage are valid, in particular, the her use of the word "football" instead of "soccer", simply because IMO there isn't any good reason for her to lie about where she was brought up.

I think the observations b-okiya's friend found strenghten the idea that James Black is indeed her rich caretaker!

My reasoning is this:
Although James Black lived in Chicago (presumably for most of his life), we know from his introductory case that he was born in England (on Baker street), speaks Queen's English AND knows British terms (case example: Panda is a British slang term for police cars).

Therefore it's plausible for Sera to have learned British terms (football) and customs (as perhaps suggested by her use of knife and fork) and lived in America (Chicago)!
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yourereadingthis wrote:Hello all, that's a very cool finding! I have a theory which is based on b-okiya's friend's theory:
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I believe Sera isn't lying about having lived in the U.S. but also the hints abouts her British heritage are valid, in particular, the her use of the word "football" instead of "soccer", simply because IMO there isn't any good reason for her to lie about where she was brought up.

I think the observations b-okiya's friend found strenghten the idea that James Black is indeed her rich caretaker!

My reasoning is this:
Although James Black lived in Chicago (presumably for most of his life), we know from his introductory case that he was born in England (on Baker street), speaks Queen's English AND knows British terms (case example: Panda is a British slang term for police cars).

Therefore it's plausible for Sera to have learned British terms (football) and customs (as perhaps suggested by her use of knife and fork) and lived in America (Chicago)!
As my friend told me. He made the same conclusion as you but he suspected James Black as the caretaker because James recognized Sera when he saw her photo.
But your observation is excellent. And now since there are two people thinking of the same idea, the probability becomes higher and higher.
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kholoudsafir wrote:OFF TOPIC: I am not sure about the Japanese culture, but just to let you know that in some cultures it is normal to marry cousins :)
Let us assume that it is normal in Japan to marry cousins.. It is forbidden in other cultures.. So, even though Gosho is Japanese and Detective Conan story is Japanese, he wouldn't let Akai love his cousin (because Gosho knows that Detective Conan fans are all over the world and from different cultures, so he couldn't take the risk).. That is what I think..

My friend has suggested that Akemi was not Elena's daughter and that may solve the problem.. but I don't like this idea..
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b-okiya wrote:
yourereadingthis wrote:Hello all, that's a very cool finding! I have a theory which is based on b-okiya's friend's theory:
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I believe Sera isn't lying about having lived in the U.S. but also the hints abouts her British heritage are valid, in particular, the her use of the word "football" instead of "soccer", simply because IMO there isn't any good reason for her to lie about where she was brought up.

I think the observations b-okiya's friend found strenghten the idea that James Black is indeed her rich caretaker!

My reasoning is this:
Although James Black lived in Chicago (presumably for most of his life), we know from his introductory case that he was born in England (on Baker street), speaks Queen's English AND knows British terms (case example: Panda is a British slang term for police cars).

Therefore it's plausible for Sera to have learned British terms (football) and customs (as perhaps suggested by her use of knife and fork) and lived in America (Chicago)!
As my friend told me. He made the same conclusion as you but he suspected James Black as the caretaker because James recognized Sera when he saw her photo.
But your observation is excellent. And now since there are two people thinking of the same idea, the probability becomes higher and higher.
Interesting, though I'm curious about the implications. If James is the backer, is she aware of him being an FBI director? Is she aware that he's involved in her brother's casework? That would also explain that ability to tell who she was and that she was a girl instead of a boy (her family seems to be androgynous), considering how both Jodie and Camel are confused and they have known her brother for years...
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Something to put in mind, and that supports mystery girl being Sera's Mother, is something Sera said:Image
Sera says that friend of her father's(which I believe is james black since I also believe that akai's father was from the FBI) helped her financially for living purposes. The question is, why did she even need money from her dad's friend in the first place? Why didn't she ask her mother that supposedly is in America.....this only sides with the fact that her mother couldn't help her because she herself was in a need of help, like being a APOTOXIN victim.
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Or her mother doesn't have enough money to support Masumi overseas, and has to work a job in US. Rent in Tokyo is pretty high. Not to mention ticket prices, tuition, food, and clothes... even if Masumi supplements that with working as a PI part time. I was going to do an internship in Japan teaching English - until it was canceled when that huge earthquake hit in March. Anyways, I looked into it, and even though it was a paid internship, I would have lost a lot of money, particularly because I'm married, and the people who ran the internship weren't about to provide housing for someone who wasn't working for them. So, it was either live without my spouse for 3 months, or find our own housing. Rent there is 3 times what we pay in Missoula, easily. Then the earthquake happened, and that was the end of that, *sigh*
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MeiTanteixX wrote:Something to put in mind, and that supports mystery girl being Sera's Mother, is something Sera said:Image
Sera says that friend of her father's(which I believe is james black since I also believe that akai's father was from the FBI) helped her financially for living purposes. The question is, why did she even need money from her dad's friend in the first place? Why didn't she ask her mother that supposedly is in America.....this only sides with the fact that her mother couldn't help her because she herself was in a need of help, like being a APOTOXIN victim.
That looks really a very logic reasoning. I'm looking forward to knowing more about that "mysterious girl". Because we never saw Sera communicating with her mother and she does not seem to like to talk much about it. It's so unusual.
And what we are sure about is that this mysterious girl is an APOTOXIN victim.
Then there's the day Conan said that he believes that he saw Sera before. It could have been that Conan met her mother, that is that "mysterious little girl", when he was still Shinichi.
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