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Who according to you is the best Couple ever in This series?

Ran-Shinichi
95
37%
Heiji-Kazuha
17
7%
Satou-Takagi
39
15%
Eri-Kogorou
9
4%
Makoto-Sonoko
1
0%
Yusaku-Yukiko
9
4%
Ai-Conan
78
30%
Ai-Akai
9
4%
 
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Soragirl6 wrote: Ran couldn't help otherwise. She's never going to be that important.
Kogoro is God.

Haibara > Kogoro.

Ran saved Haibara's life once.

Ran saved the life of someone who is better than God.


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but to be slightly less asshole-like, considering how most of the EDs have been Ran X Shinichi-riffic, considering how the Ran X Shinichi plot started before Shinichi ever saw Gin, considering how oddly happy this series is despite involving lots of murders, considering the flashback episodes etc. etc. no other ending for Detective Conan is the logical end for the story.

If Gosho had made it an at least somewhat less happy series at some point (outside of the occasional obligatory One Piece-like "my childhood sucked, my parents died =(" moments), or made it seem possible that Ran could stop being in love with Shinichi (the chance for that plot twist is quite possibly gone after they threw away the perfect opportunity for that in the Shirigami-sama case) or had feelings for anyone else than I could see a different ending happening. While something could change, I think it MIGHT be too late at this point.

This is all based on logic and how the characters act (although Kyuu-tan does a much better job at this). I don't want a plot twist ending if it doesn't make sense, and all of this (and a few more things that I could think of if I spent enough time thinking about it, I'm sure) make it so that the ending you want wouldn't make much sense. Plot twists are only fun if they make sense. Unless you want to see Ran whine and cry a lot. That would be annoying.  :P
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kkslider5552000 wrote:
Soragirl6 wrote: Ran couldn't help otherwise. She's never going to be that important.
Kogoro is God.

Haibara > Kogoro.

Ran saved Haibara's life once.

Ran saved the life of someone who is better than God.


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but to be slightly less asshole-like, considering how most of the EDs have been Ran X Shinichi-riffic, considering how the Ran X Shinichi plot started before Shinichi ever saw Gin, considering how oddly happy this series is despite involving lots of murders, considering the flashback episodes etc. etc. no other ending for Detective Conan is the logical end for the story.

If Gosho had made it an at least somewhat less happy series at some point (outside of the occasional obligatory One Piece-like "my childhood sucked, my parents died =(" moments), or made it seem possible that Ran could stop being in love with Shinichi (the chance for that plot twist is quite possibly gone after they threw away the perfect opportunity for that in the Shirigami-sama case) or had feelings for anyone else than I could see a different ending happening. While something could change, I think it MIGHT be too late at this point.

This is all based on logic and how the characters act (although Kyuu-tan does a much better job at this). I don't want a plot twist ending if it doesn't make sense, and all of this (and a few more things that I could think of if I spent enough time thinking about it, I'm sure) make it so that the ending you want wouldn't make much sense. Plot twists are only fun if they make sense. Unless you want to see Ran whine and cry a lot. That would be annoying.  :P
Ran didn't have to save Haibara's life. If she wasn't there at all it wouldn't have made any difference. She was just simply doing what she might end up doing best: interfering. And trust me she has saved lives only to put herself in more danger and put Shinchi in a more worried state than he already was in. Thats because she can't do anything except interfere. Because her character was developed to be the lover. Simple. She's just a love sick girl who happens to sometimes end up in the middle of crap. She's as useless as Sonoko who could very well save someone's life if she wanted to. Heck anyone could save anyone's life. But Ran's role (not a cop, not a doctor, not a BO member, not a detective doesn't even solve cases with Shinchi on a regular basis, which even the DBs managed to do) she is just there to be Shinchi's lover. Everyone on the show is put there in some way to support the main character. But they each have something that separates them as individuals. She doesn't have any other tie to the story except the fact that well....she's the lover.....Anybody can Kick someone but her skills in karate aren't very useful as she always manages to pass out or miss. 
And I mentioned before that yes it would be too late to break a sour soggy romance compared to a good one. But it does suck that a romance has to be that bad.
You are right about some plot twists not making sense; it can get confusing.

Yet, Shinchi falling in love with Haibara and realizing that his heart has changed would be unexpected, but it would definitely make sense because it can happen to anyone. A detective story is full of drama and UNEXPECTED is not a bad thing. Unreasonably unexpected would be finding out Shinchi's really a girl but Haibara's really a guy and the leader of the organization is really a phantom....now thats over the top. But considering how Ran has very little meaning to the series, him having a change of heart wouldn't be too mind breaking. Especially because as ConanxAi get closer their bond will grow stronger and more interesting. It would be shocking to Ran fans, but to Haibara fans it'd be more of a surprise as well as a rejoice that we played apart in changing the writer's point of view.  I'm not saying that is going to happen, but if it did...yeah it would make DC a little more interesting and would be one of those unique and rare romances that you rarely see in animes. It would be another thing that makes DC unique    :)

(Believe it or not the AixConan fans are growing and many people haven't seen the rest because its not in English, so when Ai hits the English language many will turn Ai x Conan way, like I did a month ago.)
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Soragirl6 wrote:
kkslider5552000 wrote:
Soragirl6 wrote: Ran couldn't help otherwise. She's never going to be that important.
Kogoro is God.

Haibara > Kogoro.

Ran saved Haibara's life once.

Ran saved the life of someone who is better than God.


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but to be slightly less asshole-like, considering how most of the EDs have been Ran X Shinichi-riffic, considering how the Ran X Shinichi plot started before Shinichi ever saw Gin, considering how oddly happy this series is despite involving lots of murders, considering the flashback episodes etc. etc. no other ending for Detective Conan is the logical end for the story.

If Gosho had made it an at least somewhat less happy series at some point (outside of the occasional obligatory One Piece-like "my childhood sucked, my parents died =(" moments), or made it seem possible that Ran could stop being in love with Shinichi (the chance for that plot twist is quite possibly gone after they threw away the perfect opportunity for that in the Shirigami-sama case) or had feelings for anyone else than I could see a different ending happening. While something could change, I think it MIGHT be too late at this point.

This is all based on logic and how the characters act (although Kyuu-tan does a much better job at this). I don't want a plot twist ending if it doesn't make sense, and all of this (and a few more things that I could think of if I spent enough time thinking about it, I'm sure) make it so that the ending you want wouldn't make much sense. Plot twists are only fun if they make sense. Unless you want to see Ran whine and cry a lot. That would be annoying.  :P
Ran didn't have to save Haibara's life. If she wasn't there at all it wouldn't have made any difference. She was just simply doing what she might end up doing best: interfering. And trust me she has saved lives only to put herself in more danger and put Shinchi in a more worried state than he already was in. Thats because she can't do anything except interfere. Because her character was developed to be the lover. Simple. She's just a love sick girl who happens to sometimes end up in the middle of crap. She's as useless as Sonoko who could very well save someone's life if she wanted to. Heck anyone could save anyone's life. But Ran's role (not a cop, not a doctor, not a BO member, not a detective doesn't even solve cases with Shinchi on a regular basis, which even the DBs managed to do) she is just there to be Shinchi's lover. Everyone on the show is put there in some way to support the main character. But they each have something that separates them as individuals. She doesn't have any other tie to the story except the fact that well....she's the lover.....Anybody can Kick someone but her skills in karate aren't very useful as she always manages to pass out or miss. 
And I mentioned before that yes it would be too late to break a sour soggy romance compared to a good one. But it does suck that a romance has to be that bad.
You are right about some plot twists not making sense; it can get confusing.

Yet, Shinchi falling in love with Haibara and realizing that his heart has changed would be unexpected, but it would definitely make sense because it can happen to anyone. A detective story is full of drama and UNEXPECTED is not a bad thing. Unreasonably unexpected would be finding out Shinchi's really a girl but Haibara's really a guy and the leader of the organization is really a phantom....now thats over the top. But considering how Ran has very little meaning to the series, him having a change of heart wouldn't be too mind breaking. Especially because as ConanxAi get closer their bond will grow stronger and more interesting. It would be shocking to Ran fans, but to Haibara fans it'd be more of a surprise as well as a rejoice that we played apart in changing the writer's point of view.  I'm not saying that is going to happen, but if it did...yeah it would make DC a little more interesting and would be one of those unique and rare romances that you rarely see in animes. It would be another thing that makes DC unique    :)

(Believe it or not the AixConan fans are growing and many people haven't seen the rest because its not in English, so when Ai hits the English language many will turn Ai x Conan way, like I did a month ago.)

I dont think that this will happen, because Ran is the lover of shinichi like you said she has to end up with shinichi, she doenst want to be a genius or a detective to love him, right? Shinichis parents are just the same like them. And they are happy, arent they?
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Soragirl6 wrote:
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still.looking wrote: heiji and kazuha rock. ^^ and people call me biased because my life is like that, just add that it ends in a way that kills me. hope that doesn't happen to them..

conanai is very nice, but i think that's impossible. she'll probably be paired up with someone else.. how about hakuba? but his personality kinda contrasts her, don't you think?
Why do people think Ai x Conan is impossible? Its not that impossible. They have some hidden connections. I made a fanfiction of Ran and Shinchi...guess what happened? He grew up, he confesses, leaves, she cries.

I made a fanfiction of Ai....he thought over his love but tried to deny it but he couldn't stop thinking about that girl....his feelings are eating at him....and suppose he does love her....does she love him back?

Look how interesting Ai x Conan's relationship would be in real episodes. No strain to stretch their relationship...it just kinda moves on its own.

Ran x Shinchi....look at how bland and predictable and stupid their relationship is. By Goshyo's episodes you can tell that not only is he struggling to remember to put Ran in the series, he's struggling to think of a way to keep their soggy relationship together. I bet he's thinking.."dang, what could I possibly do next...what..." See? their relationship doesn't flow with the story. Its like detective stories then all of a sudden here comes Ran and its no longer detective conan cause you already know whats going to happen. If Goshyo knew their were so many Ai X Conan fans, he would probably reconsider and it would probably be easier for him to transition a smooth interesting, yet exciting relationship without straining over episodes wondering "how else could I ever make Ran X Shinchi interesting???' IMO, drop Ran altogether and see how more exciting and interesting it becomes. All you have to do is transfer love scenes between Conan X Ai and you have made a love story. Thats all Ran ever was....the love interest..to tell you the truth. If Ran wasn't in there to begin with it would've been the most interesting Detective story filled with twists and turns. Sadly, Ran kinda ruined that feeling. When she's there I forget its called Detective Conan...and isn't that the point of the show? Her episodes just seem to be there but really don't need to be there to finish the story.  :-\
Its REALLY impossible and you know that. This story began with ShinxRan and it will end up with ShinxRan.
Which ending do you want?
Shinichi:" Sorry Ran, you waited for me so long, but I love now the girl, that you have saved her of Vermouth."
Shiho: "yes Ran sorry for you, go and marry Araide or Eisuke, Shinichi and I felt in love,so sorry for you that you saved me from vermouth haahaaaahaahaa"

It would be so STUPID. There is just one option for them to be together. Ran has to die! Or she will not forgive shinichi (which I never would think). AokoxKaito, HeijixKazuha, ShinichixRan, these couples will be together. They have to be together! You will see, Ran will be so important at the end! Ran is one of the main characters in this serie, why? Because of loving Shinichi? No! There has to be a reason why Gosho made this charakter. Vermouth likes Ran and she doesnt want her to be injured. And she is the favourite of the BO Boss. Thats why Ran will be very important at the end, you all will see ;)
So in other words she'll be important because of who??? Not herself. If anything she'll be an interference for Shinchi getting the drug. No one really cares about Ran that much in the BO. She's not an asset to them. Vermouth is not the head of the BO and Gin and Vodka don't care. Vermouth could like anyone...so what? She's only there for one reason and that is as obvious as Ran and Shinchi getting together....to be the love interest. Just like all the other childhood friends in Goshyo's work. If she wasn't Mouri's daughter it would've been more simply put earlier in the series. Ran might not do anything except get kidnapped. Or Shinchi might confess before he takes down the organization. Who knows. Goshyo did give her one purpose only...to give Shinchi a girlfriend and call it a romance. Ran couldn't help otherwise. She's never going to be that important. There is definitely no hints saying she will be important IMO. Instead it tells me that once she finds out the truth she'll probably rooting for Shinchi from home. It does show that she's going to find out about Shinchi soon, which is to be EXPECTED. Probably calling the police or something, but thats about it. She's not going to do anything that no one else could do without her. Can I make it more obvious? She's THE LOVER. THATS IT.

And so what if he tells her he loves some one else? That would be an unexpected DETECTIVE ENDING because that can happen in a GOOD story. So what if she won't forgive him? She chose to wait for him. Eventually their marriage is going to flop so he might as well end it. He can explain it to Ran and run after Ai as she's about to leave for a different country. ^^  Its like we all know Goshyo doesn't write love stories, but come on! This is one of the worst romances I've seen in an anime. And it takes away from the goodness of DC. Ran is a character flop. She's one of the main characters by the skin of her teeth, mainly because, hey can't stress enough, she's the love interest! Canon romances aggravate me especially TYPICAL CHILDHOOD FRIENDS OR HE SAVED MY LIFE AS A CHILD. Has anybody else noticed that very few animes have variety in their romances? Whatever happened to the chance encounter? Whatever happened to a relationship that starts as a seed and finally blooms as a flower? That would be ConanxAi if they were romantically paired. (RanxShinchi would be a bush that just managed to grow some poison berries.) I'd rather not see a romance then a raggedy one.  :-\ :( :'(
You all the time are talking about the other animes.. just let them!
Yes Ran is a lover, i dont say that she is a BO member or something like that, but she will be important for the BO. Why would Gosho makes Vermouth like her, if ran isnt important? For Vermouth she is "Angel" and she will be a very important fact in the ending of dc. Ai said to conan "she is stronger than you know" and conan answered "in karate?". So that shows us that Ai also knows that she will be important, but conan doesnt know it, at the ending he will get to know this and he will fall in love with her again :)
There are more RanxShin Fans than AixConan Fans (as I have seen in the internet and of my friends), and its really clear that ai doesnt want to grow up,she willl live as Ai Haibara and conan  will be Shinichi.. This will be the ending, as you said, there will be no surprises, the only surprise that will happen, is the face of the BO Boss I think.
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>I dont think that this will happen, because Ran is the lover of shinichi like you said she has to end up with shinichi, she doenst want to be a genius or a detective to love him, right? Shinichis parents are just the same like them. And they are happy, arent they?

No, Ran doesn´t need to be a genius or a detective, but it would be nice if she could be actually involved in the whole "mystery" part of the series.

And for the mentioning of Yukiko x Yusaku... Yukiko is hilarious and awesome while Ran... well. Just my opinion.
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nothing in this series is bad

Gosho is awesome and has made even what could have been a terrible character in Ran very fun. Because she is a character in Detective Conan. Your whining about anime is annoying. End of story.
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Norhing is bad about this series...?
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I really cant understand what you all have against ran, she isnt a detective or a genius, should she now die because of this?? Kazuha and Aoko or Sonoko or I dont know who arent detectives, too, is this anime an anime just for detectives or what? I really cant understand. Ran hasnt to be a detective to be a part of the anime.She doesnt have to be a part of the mysteries.
But she is a one of the main characters, I also dont know why, but Gosho made it, so we hape to accept this.
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Yes, we have to accept it, but than again... you don´t have to eat everything you got served.
Of course I love this series, but what is wrong with disagreeing with the author about some points?
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Xela wrote: Yes, we have to accept it, but than again... you don´t have to eat everything you got served.
Of course I love this series, but what is wrong with disagreeing with the author about some points?
because constantly whining about unimportant stuff like fictional anime characters pisses me off?

Or because people whining and never doing anything about it except whining is also quite annoying to me? I mean, write fanfics or ask someone to translate a letter or something saying what you don't like about Detective Conan.





and yes, I really don't think anything that was made by Gosho for Detective Conan is bad. There might be some anime originals or movies that suck but that's about it. (hell, most of the anime originals are at least somewhat fun)
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ShinRan36 wrote: I really cant understand what you all have against ran, she isnt a detective or a genius, should she now die because of this?? Kazuha and Aoko or Sonoko or I dont know who arent detectives, too, is this anime an anime just for detectives or what? I really cant understand. Ran hasnt to be a detective to be a part of the anime.She doesnt have to be a part of the mysteries.
But she is a one of the main characters, I also dont know why, but Gosho made it, so we hape to accept this.
I never realized that there was so much hate for Ran's character until coming here.  She's a nice character, imo.  The argument against her I've noticed is that she's "pointless" now or that she's not doing anything or that she's not a genius like Shinichi (the weakest argument, imo; she's an average second-year high school student).  Well, if the story was about Ran in the first place, I could understand why fans would be frustrated, but just because her key role is the main character's love interest, seems petty to dislike her for that reason.  I'm sure when a plot comes up that would be perfect for her character, Gosho will use her for it.
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oh noooo...
an argument has started between ai and ran fans ;D
why am I getting the feeling that I've read this thread before?
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bluekaitou1412 wrote: oh noooo...
an argument has started between ai and ran fans ;D
why am I getting the feeling that I've read this thread before?
because there was a topic with a similar discussion where Soragirl was proven wrong to such an awesome degree like...less than a week ago.
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kkslider5552000 wrote:
Xela wrote: Yes, we have to accept it, but than again... you don´t have to eat everything you got served.
Of course I love this series, but what is wrong with disagreeing with the author about some points?
because constantly whining about unimportant stuff like fictional anime characters pisses me off?

Or because people whining and never doing anything about it except whining is also quite annoying to me? I mean, write fanfics or ask someone to translate a letter or something saying what you don't like about Detective Conan.





and yes, I really don't think anything that was made by Gosho for Detective Conan is bad. There might be some anime originals or movies that suck but that's about it. (hell, most of the anime originals are at least somewhat fun)
Thats where you'd be wrong. Many people have sent emails to Goshyo about AixConan including myself. And I understand that it is pointless to whine about fictional characters, but I actually like DC and when something I see is wrong I have to address it. Also you can't say an anime is perfect. If majority of people didn't agree that DC is long people more people would call ones who do agree 'complaining'. But it is a forum and I do feel that some writers really don't care how good the romance is when its not a romance story. But when you write anything or make anything you have to care. I think in that field Goshyo slapped her in the series for no reason except to be the lover. Its called constructive criticism.  ;)

As for everyone else,

To the person that said I always look at other animes...well yes I do, but there are plenty of people who do and you see it so many times that it gets tiring and boring and just plain sappy and stupid. And it takes away the uniqueness of the show.

To the person who said I didn't like Ran...If this was a complete romance story, her character would be more important. But this is a detective story, which is what its supposed to be. Ran seems pointless. I like her personality but that still doesn't mean she belongs here.

To the people who said she is going to be VERY IMPORTANT...That would be hard to make a very very very very unimportant character...very important. Trust me I bet every character will have some importance in the end. But unless her grandfather is the leader of the BO, (which that could happen) She is really just a nobody. Vermouth might have said she liked her but that might be hint that she might get kidnapped. So guess who is going to have to save her? Shinchi and Shiho. That still would mean she is the interference in the story because it would be a setback on Shinchi getting the drug. Secondly, If she was going to be of any other importance besides the lover for Shinchi, there would have been hints that she has some ties to BO. But she doesn't. When she is in any episode its mostly about her missing Shinchi and Shinchi coming back and....well you get the picture.

To the person who said because she's the lover the writer will make her end up with Shinchi and why does she have to be important to love Shinchi....Well, its obvious, like I said before that, ShinxRan will end up together. But just because she was the original lover doesn't mean that they have chemistry or look good together.
Now have you ever watched a boring show? It tries to get better but it still ends up boring and repetitive and stupid. In real life Shinchi and Ran's relationship would be their business. But for ENTERTAINMENT purposes the best way to make a good romance in a show that is not a romance show is to make both characters useful to the plot and story. It not only makes the story flow easily but the romance gets more exciting for both characters as opposed to just sticking some girl in there just to wait for Shinchi. Now IMO, their romance would be boring even if this was a romance anime. But thats IMO.

People, never settle for less. Everybody has something they don't like about a show or anime. And in this particular one, I don't like the main romance pairing. No one said DC sucked. Cause there are other things about this show that I like. But I really can't stand stereotypical, boring, repetitive, and off story/plot romances. Cool down everyone.... 8)
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kkslider5552000 wrote:
bluekaitou1412 wrote: oh noooo...
an argument has started between ai and ran fans ;D
why am I getting the feeling that I've read this thread before?
because there was a topic with a similar discussion where Soragirl was proven wrong to such an awesome degree like...less than a week ago.
Proven wrong in what degree? Its simple as pie. Ran doesn't look good with Shinchi and neither does she have chemistry. They are a boring couple. And I haven't heard not one good argument that they aren't boring and stupid and sappy. Now, If you didn't know I never said that they weren't going to end up together. But they still don't look good together. There's nothing to prove. Its strictly opinion when it comes to who is a better couple. Who will end up together is entirely different. Now you can flame me if you want, but I'm just putting it out there. Peace*  :-*
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