Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

[thriceplus]

because okiya is akai

how is that possible, okiya is a university student.

Okiya can say he is the tooth fairy, have a matching dress and I.D. card stating as such but as long as the evidence remains, no one is going to take him seriously.

Eh, not necessarily. Remember back in episode 510, when Okiya asked to live at Agasa's house and help him with his research. His skills are probably at least Ph.D. candidate level in engineering or his cover will be quickly blown when they converse about engineering and Okiya has no clue.

[TheBlind]

because okiya is akai

how is that possible, okiya is a university student.

Okiya can say he is the tooth fairy, have a matching dress and I.D. card stating as such but as long as the evidence remains, no one is going to take him seriously.

Eh, not necessarily. Remember back in episode 510, when Okiya asked to live at Agasa's house and help him with his research. His skills are probably at least Ph.D. candidate level in engineering or his cover will be quickly blown when they converse about engineering and Okiya has no clue.

Assuming that Okiya is Akai.
Okiya was the one that offered to aid Agasa with his research so it wasn't like he was caught unprepared. It's his cover, I doubt he would chose a field he has no experience on to be his occupation, not like he's picking it out of a hat. I'm sure if Akia's cover was a local carpenter, he would offered to help Agasa with maintaining the house and would have the necessary skill to make it seem that he actually is a carpenter.

[Nyarl]

Okiya being interested in Agasa is the one thing that makes me wonder if he's not really looking for the source of those trackers/bugs Gin has been finding. Gin might realize that they aren't really the same issue as the equipment the FBI would use, though the trackers/bugs tend not to survive intact for thorough examination.

Of course, if he's really Akai, he could just be interested in watching over Haibara. I'd bet the P.S. is in the last message from Akemi was to ask him to help her sister if her plan failed.

[Sandam]

but there are so many hints that show okiya as akai

what hints? 

1st: okiya and akai are left handed
2nd: conan trusts okiya.
3rd: remember that bottle okiya was drinking? bourbon whisky? later jodie mentioned that akai likes that drink too. and later there apears "akai" who is right handed. so one of them should be bourbon and other akai since his death is to suspicious to me. i think gosho just likes to keep us in confusion. 

[Jing]

but there are so many hints that show okiya as akai

what hints? 

1st: okiya and akai are left handed
2nd: conan trusts okiya.
3rd: remember that bottle okiya was drinking? bourbon whisky? later jodie mentioned that akai likes that drink too. and later there apears "akai" who is right handed. so one of them should be bourbon and other akai since his death is to suspicious to me. i think gosho just likes to keep us in confusion. 

It's a sound theory, I just don't like the fact that he appeared so quickly after he was supposed to have died. Makes it seem a little too obvious, I don't know if that's really Gosho's style.

[sstimson]

According to your theory of Bourbon drinking Bourbon,he may have been already arrested see here:

Spoiler:

That would refer to the case where the apt. building was burned down and Conan meet Okiya. The page says two things. First. The Pyro ( fire starter ) drank bourbon, and second was arrested.

Also Okiya is a graduate student. He currently has a masters degree.

Spoiler:

in Engineering

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Any other questions?

Later

[Sandam]

According to your theory of Bourbon drinking Bourbon,he may have been already arrested see here:

Spoiler:

That would refer to the case where the apt. building was burned down and Conan meet Okiya. The page says two things. First. The Pyro ( fire starter ) drank bourbon, and second was arrested.

um... and what that random message in news prove? i said:

3rd: remember that bottle okiya was drinking? bourbon whisky? later jodie mentioned that akai likes that drink too. and later there apears "akai" who is right handed. so one of them should be bourbon and other akai since his death is to suspicious to me. i think gosho just likes to keep us in confusion. 

Also Okiya is a graduate student. He currently has a masters degree.

Spoiler:

in Engineering

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and what it proves? what if akai does have masters degree in engineering? or u can prove that he does not? i dont see solid proof.

[TheBlind]

According to your theory of Bourbon drinking Bourbon,he may have been already arrested see here:

Spoiler:

That would refer to the case where the apt. building was burned down and Conan meet Okiya. The page says two things. First. The Pyro ( fire starter ) drank bourbon, and second was arrested.

um... and what that random message in news prove? i said:

3rd: remember that bottle okiya was drinking? bourbon whisky? later jodie mentioned that akai likes that drink too. and later there apears "akai" who is right handed. so one of them should be bourbon and other akai since his death is to suspicious to me. i think gosho just likes to keep us in confusion. 

Also Okiya is a graduate student. He currently has a masters degree.

Spoiler:

in Engineering

Spoiler:

and what it proves? what if akai does have masters degree in engineering? or u can prove that he does not? i dont see solid proof.

Assuming that Okiya is Akai
Guy is right. I didn't see a panel where the police confirmed that they actually saw the degree and they probably didn't as it wasn't relevant to the case.  All you showed was Okiya saying stating that he has a masters degree and knowledge to match that statement. So it's not impossible for Akai to have a forged degree along with forged papers(I.D., Passports, etc.) for his alternate identies. He was in the FBI and managed to infiltrate the B.O., so it's not like he isn't familiar with the process.

[Last_Resort]

You are forgetting that maybe Agasa is in on the plan so he has no need to check whether Okiya has a degree ( assuming okiya is akai) or not if Kudo wants to keep an eye on Okiya (assuming okiya is bo/random) then Agasa will check if Okiya has any knowledge relating to engineering.
up to this time no one has seen whether okiya or akai have any engineering knowledge.

[sstimson]

I am rapidly becoming convinced that Okiya, Akia, and Bourdon are three different person.The reason is TIME. But Before I am sure I need to ask a question being how old is Akia and how did you get your answer?

As for the first Picture. Read a the top news event and Conan's Statement to the left. The Pyromaniac also drink Bourbon. So what I was think is the idea for Bourbon drinking Bourbon might mean that Bourbon has been arrested already if Bourbon was the Pyromaniac.

Other Questions for you are: How long does it take to get a masters? Why does Okiya if a fake ( he does not have the neccessary training ) agree to help Agasa. Would that not be a likely place to get exposed? How long was Akia in the FBI?

Answer these questions and you too might see why TIME might make the three people different.

Later

[Sandam]

i tryed to find theys age in cases they were introduced but couldnt.. but i found something interesting. conans reaction then that boy said where is the place that burned where okiya lived.

Spoiler:

this sugests that he know that place:
"wasn't makubasou at beika 2 choume #23 a..."
but then ai asks him if he know the place, can u see that sweat drop on his face? haibara knows him good enough to know that he knows that place, but conan makes a lie again... why? becouse there is someone he knows. and thats okiya. so i dont beleve he can be new character. and how can u explain why haibara gets "BO feeling" then she is near okiya? if okiya is neither bourbon nor akai, who both were in BO?

[sstimson]

To answer one of my questions: A Child Prodigy will have a PhD at age 17. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3004502.stm

So haibara could in theory, have an PhD. But not Okiya. Normal Schooling end at 18. Then four years of college to get a Bachelor, 22 Age. And four more years to get a masters, 26 Age. Okiya according to the Anime is 27. Do you think an older guy could pretend to be younger. Akia is around 35. Does that make it unlikely for Okiya to be Akia?

Later

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

but again, how did conan know that okiya is akai?

Akai could have told him where he was going to live, hence Conan's reaction seen in the page posted by Sandam up above. (Sandam, good catch on that scene!)

And four more years to get a masters, 26 Age. Okiya according to the Anime is 27. Do you think an older guy could pretend to be younger. Akia is around 35. Does that make it unlikely for Okiya to be Akia?

This manga is full of people acting as other people. Think of all the people who have disguised themselves or masqueraded as other people so far. Off the top of my head I can think of Conan, Shinichi, Heiji, Kaito Kuroba, Yukiko, Yusaku, Takagi, Sato, the mermaid case girl, Agasa, Vodka, and Vermouth. The only rule of DC disguise is that an adult cannot disguise as a kid due to blatant differences in mass. Even that rule goes out the window when you take APTX into account. It is totally within plot reasonableness for Akai to pull off acting younger. Okiya and Akai don't even look that different. I think it was Aluecard who posted some sketches of Akai and Okiya side by side.

If Okiya is Akai (I believe it is quite likely), I do question the idea that Agasa is in on the plan. I haven't paid that much attention to this issue honestly. Does anyone have any evidence for or against Agasa knowing Okiya is Akai? Check the court records, folks...

Finally, would anyone be interested in a timeline like I did with Vermouth and Araide of all the times Akai, Okiya, and "Akai" from the bank and related material shows up or gets mentioned so all the evidence for and against Okiya being Akai is assembled in one place?

[cyberviper]

this is jst a thought but couldnt koumei be bourben.. he kinda fits the description of bourbon as being smart .

ps koumei is the detective in the red wall case

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

this is jst a thought but couldnt koumei be bourben.. he kinda fits the description of bourbon as being smart .

ps koumei is the detective in the red wall case

I thought about that possibility when the red wall case came out. If Koumei shows up again soon, it would be pretty suspicious. Koumei could also be a red herring; Gosho may be introducing a bunch of new characters to try to slip Bourbon in among them.