Kleene Onigiri wrote:
@"topic":
I wonder if Haibara would make a deal with the BO to protect her friends. Because once she finished her project, they will most likely kill her and her friends anyway. And she probably knows that. So whether she and her friends die now or later, doesn't matter much. She could buy some time tho.
She'd just make a deal when her friends would really be saved that way.
@religion:
It's true that people killed because of "religion". But in history, people also killed people as atheists. Example would be communism. They killed for their "believe" too.
People are the ones killing, not guns or religions etc. These are just excuses made up by people so you have a "reason" to kill.
@topic:
even if it's true,i don't think Haibara would like to see the people she loves dying in front of her eyes because of her refusal...she would do anything to give them more time to live...even if there's a little hope to save them,she would take this chance...
I think I made a misunderstanding XD I think the same way mostly. So if Haibara can save her friends with that deal, then she'll do it for sure.
The only difference in my thinking would be that: If she knows that they will kill them anyway, something like right after she's taken to her new science lab the BO kills all her friends etc.. Then she will probably rather kill herself or let herself be killed before she has to see her friends die.
conia wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
@religion:
It's true that people killed because of "religion". But in history, people also killed people as atheists. Example would be communism. They killed for their "believe" too.
People are the ones killing, not guns or religions etc. These are just excuses made up by people so you have a "reason" to kill.
I didn't mean to arise a religion discussion You're right Kleene, but in Christianism taking away peoples lives is TOTALLY PROHIBITED (yep, killing is bad anywhere, but for Christians is seems "more bad" ) So it's a more effective way to say "religion sucks".
Too late for regrets conia >D The only way to make this not off-topic is to say that Ai is god. This way we can continue to talk about religion XD
But anyway, I don't wanna keep on talking about religion, since people don't like that, but I still have to say that: It's right that it's more effective to say that "religion sucks". But the actual "thing that sucks" are humans and their way of thinking imo
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Kleene Onigiri wrote:
@"topic":
I wonder if Haibara would make a deal with the BO to protect her friends. Because once she finished her project, they will most likely kill her and her friends anyway. And she probably knows that. So whether she and her friends die now or later, doesn't matter much. She could buy some time tho.
She'd just make a deal when her friends would really be saved that way.
@religion:
It's true that people killed because of "religion". But in history, people also killed people as atheists. Example would be communism. They killed for their "believe" too.
People are the ones killing, not guns or religions etc. These are just excuses made up by people so you have a "reason" to kill.
@topic:
even if it's true,i don't think Haibara would like to see the people she loves dying in front of her eyes because of her refusal...she would do anything to give them more time to live...even if there's a little hope to save them,she would take this chance...
I think I made a misunderstanding XD I think the same way mostly. So if Haibara can save her friends with that deal, then she'll do it for sure.
The only difference in my thinking would be that: If she knows that they will kill them anyway, something like right after she's taken to her new science lab the BO kills all her friends etc.. Then she will probably rather kill herself or let herself be killed before she has to see her friends die.
LOLXD ok sorry...now i understand what you mean...^^
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mangaluva wrote:
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Let me revive this topic by posting something that is completely out of context.
I'm gonna list the reasons why I consider Ai to be my favourite character:
She actually had a terrible childhood, and that shows in her personality. ie. She has a more down to earth personality.
She's probably one of the most real characters, in the sense that she doesn't have one sole goal in life (eg. take down the B.O. or, well, kill everyone or whatever the B.O. has going on for itself). She wants to help Conan, but she's always putting herself first.
Sarcasm is hilarious.
She's just so hardcore
'Songs of Myself' by Walt Whitman wrote:You shall no longer take things at second or third hand, nor look through
the eyes of the dead, nor feed on the spectres in books,
You shall not look through my eyes either, nor take things from me,
You shall listen to all sides and filter them from your self.
Poem by Emily Dickinson wrote:Success is counted sweetest
By those who ne'er succeed.
To comprehend a nectar
Requires sorest needs.
Sebolains wrote:
Let me revive this topic by posting something that is completely out of context.
I'm gonna list the reasons why I consider Ai to be my favourite character:
She actually had a terrible childhood, and that shows in her personality. ie. She has a more down to earth personality.
She's probably one of the most real characters, in the sense that she doesn't have one sole goal in life (eg. take down the B.O. or, well, kill everyone or whatever the B.O. has going on for itself). She wants to help Conan, but she's always putting herself first.
Sarcasm is hilarious.
She's just so hardcore
Mouri is pretty real too. Though some of their characteristics feel exaggerated (Mouri's laziness/lecherousness, Ai's negativity), none of the other major characters seem to have nearly as much depth.
"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
Sebolains wrote:
Let me revive this topic by posting something that is completely out of context.
I'm gonna list the reasons why I consider Ai to be my favourite character:
She actually had a terrible childhood, and that shows in her personality. ie. She has a more down to earth personality.
She's probably one of the most real characters, in the sense that she doesn't have one sole goal in life (eg. take down the B.O. or, well, kill everyone or whatever the B.O. has going on for itself). She wants to help Conan, but she's always putting herself first.
Sarcasm is hilarious.
She's just so hardcore
Mouri is pretty real too. Though some of their characteristics feel exaggerated (Mouri's laziness/lecherousness, Ai's negativity), none of the other major characters seem to have nearly as much depth.
Exactly my point. The thing I like about Mouri is that he's flawed, you know? Like, he's a hype up and a drunk. He's not an idealized genious that has an IQ of 190 billion.
'Songs of Myself' by Walt Whitman wrote:You shall no longer take things at second or third hand, nor look through
the eyes of the dead, nor feed on the spectres in books,
You shall not look through my eyes either, nor take things from me,
You shall listen to all sides and filter them from your self.
Poem by Emily Dickinson wrote:Success is counted sweetest
By those who ne'er succeed.
To comprehend a nectar
Requires sorest needs.
Sebolains wrote:
Let me revive this topic by posting something that is completely out of context.
I'm gonna list the reasons why I consider Ai to be my favourite character:
She actually had a terrible childhood, and that shows in her personality. ie. She has a more down to earth personality.
She's probably one of the most real characters, in the sense that she doesn't have one sole goal in life (eg. take down the B.O. or, well, kill everyone or whatever the B.O. has going on for itself). She wants to help Conan, but she's always putting herself first.
Sarcasm is hilarious.
She's just so hardcore
Mouri is pretty real too. Though some of their characteristics feel exaggerated (Mouri's laziness/lecherousness, Ai's negativity), none of the other major characters seem to have nearly as much depth.
Exactly my point. The thing I like about Mouri is that he's flawed, you know? Like, he's a hype up and a drunk. He's not an idealized genious that has an IQ of 190 billion.
The way I always thought of it was that he was a genius when he wasn't a) thinking about nubile young women b) drinking alcohol or wanting to drink alcohol. Sort of like Constanza I guess.
"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
Sebolains wrote:
Let me revive this topic by posting something that is completely out of context.
I'm gonna list the reasons why I consider Ai to be my favourite character:
She actually had a terrible childhood, and that shows in her personality. ie. She has a more down to earth personality.
She's probably one of the most real characters, in the sense that she doesn't have one sole goal in life (eg. take down the B.O. or, well, kill everyone or whatever the B.O. has going on for itself). She wants to help Conan, but she's always putting herself first.
Sarcasm is hilarious.
She's just so hardcore
Mouri is pretty real too. Though some of their characteristics feel exaggerated (Mouri's laziness/lecherousness, Ai's negativity), none of the other major characters seem to have nearly as much depth.
Exactly my point. The thing I like about Mouri is that he's flawed, you know? Like, he's a hype up and a drunk. He's not an idealized genious that has an IQ of 190 billion.
The way I always thought of it was that he was a genius when he wasn't a) thinking about nubile young women b) drinking alcohol or wanting to drink alcohol. Sort of like Constanza I guess.
He's not, though. He can't solve cases without Conan shouting out hints and pointing out the evidence, even the dramatic ones involving his friends which motivate him to try. Ran has done better, in canon anyway. Both Megure and Yuminaga called Kogoro a poor investigator. I'd take their opinion a bit more seriously than Agasa's claim, given what we've seen in story. Even Superintendent Matsumoto only commented on the reputation Kogoro gained after Shin'ichi shrunk. If Agasa isn't supposed to be completely full of it about Kogoro, I'd think any positive reputation Kogoro had came from Yusaku letting him take credit for some cases, much like Shin'ichi is doing now.
Sebolains wrote:
Let me revive this topic by posting something that is completely out of context.
I'm gonna list the reasons why I consider Ai to be my favourite character:
She actually had a terrible childhood, and that shows in her personality. ie. She has a more down to earth personality.
She's probably one of the most real characters, in the sense that she doesn't have one sole goal in life (eg. take down the B.O. or, well, kill everyone or whatever the B.O. has going on for itself). She wants to help Conan, but she's always putting herself first.
Sarcasm is hilarious.
She's just so hardcore
Mouri is pretty real too. Though some of their characteristics feel exaggerated (Mouri's laziness/lecherousness, Ai's negativity), none of the other major characters seem to have nearly as much depth.
Exactly my point. The thing I like about Mouri is that he's flawed, you know? Like, he's a hype up and a drunk. He's not an idealized genious that has an IQ of 190 billion.
The way I always thought of it was that he was a genius when he wasn't a) thinking about nubile young women b) drinking alcohol or wanting to drink alcohol. Sort of like Constanza I guess.
He's not, though. He can't solve cases without Conan shouting out hints and pointing out the evidence, even the dramatic ones involving his friends which motivate him to try. Ran has done better, in canon anyway. Both Megure and Yuminaga called Kogoro a poor investigator. I'd take their opinion a bit more seriously than Agasa's claim, given what we've seen in story. Even Superintendent Matsumoto only commented on the reputation Kogoro gained after Shin'ichi shrunk. If Agasa isn't supposed to be completely full of it about Kogoro, I'd think any positive reputation Kogoro had came from Yusaku letting him take credit for some cases, much like Shin'ichi is doing now.
I'm well aware that he's never actually solved an entire case despite having 571 episodes and 14 movies to do so (Movie 9 he did better than Shinichi, but he still got the exact method used for one of the murders wrong and that isn't even canon anyway). That being said... I don't really care about that. There's no prohibition on forming your own impression about the characters in a fictional story, even if it goes against said fictional story's canon.
"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
dilbertschalter wrote:
I'm well aware that he's never actually solved an entire case despite having 571 episodes and 14 movies to do so (Movie 9 he did better than Shinichi, but he still got the exact method used for one of the murders wrong and that isn't even canon anyway). That being said... I don't really care about that. There's no prohibition on forming your own impression about the characters in a fictional story, even if it goes against said fictional story's canon.
I know what you mean, and I agree. He sort of gives out the feeling that he could be an amazing detective. And he solved a big part of a case in more than one occasion.
'Songs of Myself' by Walt Whitman wrote:You shall no longer take things at second or third hand, nor look through
the eyes of the dead, nor feed on the spectres in books,
You shall not look through my eyes either, nor take things from me,
You shall listen to all sides and filter them from your self.
Poem by Emily Dickinson wrote:Success is counted sweetest
By those who ne'er succeed.
To comprehend a nectar
Requires sorest needs.
dilbertschalter wrote:
There's no prohibition on forming your own impression about the characters in a fictional story, even if it goes against said fictional story's canon.
Depends on what you mean by “impressionâ€
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I sense the need of a Mouri thread. Anybody got the same feeling?
Sebolains wrote:
Let me revive this topic by posting something that is completely out of context.
I'm gonna list the reasons why I consider Ai to be my favourite character:
She actually had a terrible childhood, and that shows in her personality. ie. She has a more down to earth personality.
She's probably one of the most real characters, in the sense that she doesn't have one sole goal in life (eg. take down the B.O. or, well, kill everyone or whatever the B.O. has going on for itself). She wants to help Conan, but she's always putting herself first.
James Rye wrote:
I sense the need of a Mouri thread. Anybody got the same feeling?
Sebolains wrote:
Let me revive this topic by posting something that is completely out of context.
I'm gonna list the reasons why I consider Ai to be my favourite character:
She actually had a terrible childhood, and that shows in her personality. ie. She has a more down to earth personality.
She's probably one of the most real characters, in the sense that she doesn't have one sole goal in life (eg. take down the B.O. or, well, kill everyone or whatever the B.O. has going on for itself). She wants to help Conan, but she's always putting herself first.
Sarcasm is hilarious.
She's just so hardcore
I so love the last one. Genius!
I know, right!
'Songs of Myself' by Walt Whitman wrote:You shall no longer take things at second or third hand, nor look through
the eyes of the dead, nor feed on the spectres in books,
You shall not look through my eyes either, nor take things from me,
You shall listen to all sides and filter them from your self.
Poem by Emily Dickinson wrote:Success is counted sweetest
By those who ne'er succeed.
To comprehend a nectar
Requires sorest needs.
Sebolains wrote:
Let me revive this topic by posting something that is completely out of context.
I'm gonna list the reasons why I consider Ai to be my favourite character:
She actually had a terrible childhood, and that shows in her personality. ie. She has a more down to earth personality.
She's probably one of the most real characters, in the sense that she doesn't have one sole goal in life (eg. take down the B.O. or, well, kill everyone or whatever the B.O. has going on for itself). She wants to help Conan, but she's always putting herself first.
Sarcasm is hilarious.
She's just so hardcore
I so love the last one. Genius!
yeah,me too ^^
that's what i like the most in her personality
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
mangaluva wrote:
"I've built a wall not to keep people out, but to see who loves me enough to climb over it."
[/quote]
Sebolains wrote:
Let me revive this topic by posting something that is completely out of context.
I'm gonna list the reasons why I consider Ai to be my favourite character:
She actually had a terrible childhood, and that shows in her personality. ie. She has a more down to earth personality.
She's probably one of the most real characters, in the sense that she doesn't have one sole goal in life (eg. take down the B.O. or, well, kill everyone or whatever the B.O. has going on for itself). She wants to help Conan, but she's always putting herself first.
Sarcasm is hilarious.
She's just so hardcore
I so love the last one. Genius!
yeah,me too ^^
that's what i like the most in her personality
I know. Ai would be Ai without her Hardcoreness
'Songs of Myself' by Walt Whitman wrote:You shall no longer take things at second or third hand, nor look through
the eyes of the dead, nor feed on the spectres in books,
You shall not look through my eyes either, nor take things from me,
You shall listen to all sides and filter them from your self.
Poem by Emily Dickinson wrote:Success is counted sweetest
By those who ne'er succeed.
To comprehend a nectar
Requires sorest needs.
You're right Kleene, but in Christianism taking away peoples lives is TOTALLY PROHIBITED (yep, killing is bad anywhere, but for Christians is seems "more bad"
) So it's a more effective way to say "religion sucks".
