Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,067-1069

[Reader]

File 1069

- according to Heiji the criminal sure was very confident in going the length of taking the flag stand, separating the flag, dipping it on the victim's blood, placing the rod in the box and the bucket on the snowman's head and placing the flag on the stairs, and doing all this without any one passing, that to in a shrine of love filled with people?

-- good Kazuha, that you cleared it up, was wondering how can one not recognise a childhood friend just because they have worn mask and changed their voice somewhat. Being such a close friend, she should be able to tell him apart by the back of his head.

-- oh, so that thud sound and the snowman's eye falling sound was different? That was a nice misdirection there Gosho, have to give you that ( It seems the eye ball bouncing sound effect was shown. But who reads the Japanese sfx anyway).

--why does the illustration behind Sato show the culprit hitting the victim's head with the flag rod, when it was just cleared a page ago that the weapon was a ice-filled bucket?

--and I'll side here with the culprit lady, because this left handed-right handed thing can never be a definitive proof to be smug about and declare anyone a culprit. But heh, there's no other way to wind it in sixteen pages right?

-- and yes Conan, you should get the screen time as well. Don't know much about hand cuffs so can't speak on the trick. Though I doubt if the gap in the handcuffs is wide enough for a string to pass through or whether there is any gap at all. But this is Gosho, he must have tried it out maybe.

--okay so this was another accidental murder just like the last case. And it seems the only mistake the culprit did was to leave finger prints on the bucket. Otherwise there was no way to zero in on her, because remember, there were no witnesses, no one at all!

--what happened to that unkown fourth suspect? Why were they even mentioned? And what was the victim saying about love shrine and there being only three suspects?

--and yes Conan, that's​ right. Now I wonder who will tell you about time is money.

--pretty cliche. As suspected from the first page of the file 1067, the idol himself will be present at the shrine (because we know Gosho never introduces anything without a purpose).

--Knew you were dumb, Kazuha. Maybe you should start suspecting Ran again.

Only point worth mentioning about this file was the bokeh effect. Nice.

Edit - forgot to mention this: the kid's Katsuki disguise (file 192), that character had a internet nickname 'Red Herring'. So can expect some theories saying that it is an indirect hint from Gosho that wakita is red herring because both their names are anagrams. Hehe.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

--Knew you were dumb, Kazuha. Maybe you should start suspecting Ran again.

Nope, this is on Gosho. He even made her bring up the sibling thing. As long as Gosho wants things to stay as they are, he owns wasting character potential/growth like this.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

Completing Gosho's hints about Rum's identity

In episodes 132 133 134 , Kid used a silly name " Doito Katsuki " and when changing the order of the letters in Japanese without adding or subtracting any letter , you get the original identity of the owner of that name " Kaito Kid " and for this Conan knew " Doito Katsuki " is Kid . So Conan will identify Rum in the same way .

Gosho was alluding to this case when the arrow weapon was used twice in some files in which Wakita appeared (1027 to 1031) and (1055 to 1057) because the arrow weapon was also used in episodes 132 133 134 when Kid was disguised as " Doito Katsuki " .

When you rearrange the letters of "Wakita Kanenori" , you get "Tokiwa Kanenari", which is of no use in knowing the identity of Wakita for Conan ... as Conan and Akai does not know about " time is money" and I do not think Bourbon will tell them about it .

Who is the person that Conan might suspect that he may have a silly name and when rearranging letters you will get his identity ? Yes , He is the shogi player Chikara Katsumata who appears on TV and when rearranging his name letters , you get his identity "Chikatta Karasuma" which means as i think bright Karasuma . Chikara katsumata also means winning power again .

Conan will tell Heiji about the new information available to him , which is Carasuma is the Boss of BO , and he knew that from the mirror message left at Haneda Kohji crime scene ,,, Conan knows that Carasuma is impatient in episode 219 , so he will remember Bourbon hint that Rum is impatient So the identity of Rum will be officially revealed .

What about Wakita , who all clear evidences indicates he is Rum ? I think it was announced that Wakita is Rum in the episodes in which all clear evidences indicated Jodie is Vermouth .

I've seen gosho before saying that Wakasa Rumi has a prosthetic eye , but I haven't seen gosho say that Wakita has a prosthetic eye , Which is the sure characteristic of Rum .

The murderer in recent cases , her name is Tsu(rumi) , and she looked like Iori Muga in appearance , mostly Gosho hints that Wakasa (Rumi) was like Iori Muga , so she was Asaka who worked as a guard or servant of the wealthy Amanda like Iori Muga who works as a guard or servant of the wealthy Momiji .

For me, I think Wakasa (Rumi) is Haibara's aunt / Atsushi's sister ... the name of the killer in recent files is (Tsu)(rumi) , some fans think this is a hint of Wakasa’s relationship with (Tsu)tomu, but I think without evidence that this is a hint that there is a relationship between Wakasa (Rumi) and A(tsu)shi . Excuse me guys for that last joke , I tried to put a silly joke in my 100th post in this forum .

[Reader]

Nope, this is on Gosho. He even made her bring up the sibling thing. As long as Gosho wants things to stay as they are, he owns wasting character potential/growth like this.

Agree. Same is the case with Heiji. And even Ayumi and Mitsuhiko.

Completing Gosho's hints about Rum's identity

In episodes 132 133 134 , Kid used a silly name " Doito Katsuki " and when changing the order of the letters in Japanese without adding or subtracting any letter , you get the original identity of the owner of that name " Kaito Kid " and for this Conan knew " Doito Katsuki " is Kid . So Conan will identify Rum in the same way .

Gosho was alluding to this case when the arrow weapon was used twice in some files in which Wakita appeared (1027 to 1031) and (1055 to 1057) because the arrow weapon was also used in episodes 132 133 134 when Kid was disguised as " Doito Katsuki " .

When you rearrange the letters of "Wakita Kanenori" , you get "Tokiwa Kanenari", which is of no use in knowing the identity of Wakita for Conan ... as Conan and Akai does not know about " time is money" and I do not think Bourbon will tell them about it .

Who is the person that Conan might suspect that he may have a silly name and when rearranging letters you will get his identity ? Yes , He is the shogi player Chikara Katsumata who appears on TV and when rearranging his name letters , you get his identity "Chikatta Karasuma" which means as i think bright Karasuma . Chikara katsumata also means winning power again .

So basically you are saying that Gosho has spent all these years giving out red herrings about time is money?
If I understand correctly, what you say is:
Kaito kid made an anagram of his name and was part of a case where an arrow was used. Gosho created a new character, Wakita Kanenori, whose name is an anagram as well. So to give a hint that his name is an anagram just like the case with kid, Gosho made use of arrows in the murder trick to connect with that case. So that the readers will say, 'Ah! Wakita case involved arrow, kid case involved arrow, so there must be some connection, and that connection is the anagram! So wakita is Rum!' But infact this is all wrong and wakita is not Rum.

Now, where are the actual hints pointing to Chikara then? Do you think Gosho is orchestrating a big red herring by giving out such elaborate hints? And you dismiss Wakita just by saying Conan and Akai don't know about time is money. Well, before this recent case it didn't even occur to Conan about the anagrams. So just because the MC is unaware doesn't mean it won't happen.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

Reader

Please do not deal with things superficially just because Gosho shows it to you as he wants . As when you think deeply about it , you find there is no attribute in Wakita that matches Rum . Gosho wants to make you think that Wakita is fit to be Rum, but This is completely wrong .

The adjectives we all know about Rum. , can you Tell me one of them is identical to Wakita and I want you also to tell me what do you think about Karasuma and whether he is suitable to be Rum or not .

Even Gin’s saying that Rum changed his face and took a silly name does not coincide with Wakita , because Wakita puts a temporary disguise during the mission in the restaurant only then removes it immediately after that like Vermouth’s disguise in any mission .

Let me remind you of the direct hints that indicates Wakita is Rum :

1- On the first appearance of Wakita there was a hint of appearance of the villain assistant of the boss .
2- "time is money" that turns into Wakita Kanenori .
3- Bourbon's hint that Rum is impatient , and then Wakita said in 1055, "My patience has run out."

So from the first appearance of Wakita , Gosho give you easy and direct hints that Wakita is Rum . Some fans may like to think quickly , which may take them to sure that Wakita is Rum . honestly I would be happy if Wakita is really Rum . but let me tell you how I interpreted it , perhaps convinced or perhaps not . But Gosho doesn't highlight what I'm going to tell you a lot because that's the habit of Gosho that I got used to after Arc Vermouth , Arc Kir and Arc Bourbon .

1- When Wakita said a hint that the villain assistant of boss will appear tonight , this is a hint that Wakita is an assistant of (Karasuma/Rum) because Karasuma is considered a boss also because he is the founder of that organization and he is also the former boss .

2- Wakasa said in 1051 that Karasuma is deceitful, extremely black, invisible person moving through a group of people . I think those Karasuma traits are also Rum traits .

3- Carasuma is impatient as well , and this appeared in Episode 219 .

4 - Yusaku said in Episode 942 that Karasuma is an invisible millionaire and he is not supposed to exist in this world . These traits are identical with Rum also because the members of the organization do not know the gender of Rum because Rum is invesible and still preserves his identity brilliantly .

As for hints that appeared in Wakita's files that i told you they are supposed to be dropped on Carasuma not on Wakita , this is because Wakita is the assistant or substitute for Carasuma , meaning that Wakita is a mask to protect Rum's identity . As Wakita has one eye and Rich like RUM , so this will help Rum to protect his identity more and more .

Another thing that a follower said and I liked his opinion very much : May be Wakita joined the organization Few years ago , So he was a low ranking member in Bo during his mission in which he discovered that Akai is a spy and after that he took more high position , because the FBI was planning to catch a big fish in the organization like Gin , so I don't think The organization will send Rum instead of Gin if they are suspicious of the meeting .

[Akai_Shu]

Actually I do as well believe that Chikara Katsumata might be related to the Bo or at least to the haneda koji's case. Well My reason might seem quite dumb for some, but this is how I feel it. It is Haneda Shukichi's big interest on Shogi. How come Haneda Shukichi who is considered to be the smartest son of the Akai's couple as claimed by Sera is not participating in finding his missing father ?
He sure is a carefree person and he might find a big pleasure in playing Shogi. And I know it was said that he is interessted in the 7 titles just to impress Yumi. But it's quite strange for me at least. Plus, why did Shuichi keep inform him about his fake death ? And he has a second phone reserved just for his communication with Shuichi.
This leads me to think that the 17 years ago murder might be related to someone in Shogi.