Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,051-1,054

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After reading the spoilers, I can only say this.
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I can safely conclude that the piece was taken away after Haneda's death.
Two reasons could be the cause of Rumi's actions.
a) Her fingerprints were on the piece. But while doing that she could leave her prints on the scissors,Kohji's clothing etc.
b) She suspected some kind of foulplay as the main reason.
Regarding Rumi's intentional destruction of her own phone, possibly it is to ensure that Amuro shouldn't track her number as she had already called the Police from that phone during Skeleton case.
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According to this file then, Rumi is for sure cleared from the Rum candidates. She has in possession something that Haneda Kohji held really dear to him. The only one who would realise its significance and keep it for years to come would be someone who was close to him. I'm guessing there might be a chance that she's his shogi master, or some close family member. But, she's definitely not Rum. More so because Gosho is trying to convince us that she is the one that killed him.
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blackmoon wrote:well there is some text spoiler from the link here (though no higher resolution pics yet): https://pastebin.com/XbPc2Kwc
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So yeah, seem to suggest the shogi piece may actually be related to Rumi whom Kohji once showed her the goodluck charm in one of her recalls... whether he gave it to her before his death or was taken away from him after his death is yet to be revealed.... ???
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It would seem the piece was indeed the one she's been holding onto, and that Rei/Bourbon learned about the case from the police, not the BO.

Kōji said there was "bound to be a good move" with the piece—an occasion he could have willingly given it to another would have been so that his killer could be caught with the piece as crucial evidence... but the piece being stabbed seems to imply that Kōji was still hanging onto it when he died.

Unlucky Devil wrote:
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According to this file then, Rumi is for sure cleared from the Rum candidates. She has in possession something that Haneda Kohji held really dear to him. The only one who would realise its significance and keep it for years to come would be someone who was close to him. I'm guessing there might be a chance that she's his shogi master, or some close family member. But, she's definitely not Rum. More so because Gosho is trying to convince us that she is the one that killed him.
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Exactly. Him leaning toward the conclusion that whoever has this piece killed Kōji only bolsters my surety that Rumi is not Rum—it's yet another instance of Rumi being singled out as really suspicious, even amongst two other suspects.

My base assumption is that Rum did not witness this scene that Rumi recalls (in other words, Rumi's not recalling Kōji speaking to Rum, here—this flashback isn't about Kōji questioning Rum's plan to kill him, bringing up the good move the watchtower bishop would bring Kōji if Rum killed him), else Rum would've done everything to get the piece, after such an explicit reveal from Kōji—we now know that Tsutomu wasn't involved in the case until after it happened, so while he could've been responsible for Rum now having an artificial eye, him directly intervening in Kōji's murder as it happened and preventing Rum from taking the piece is off the table. As it stands, Kōji and Rum may have been alone in the former's room, from Rum entering the room to Rum leaving it after Kōji perished, with Rumi showing up afterwards.

Rumi's recollection included Kōji's words about his good luck charm and the sight of his body—but not the moment of Kōji's murder—this seems to imply she was not a witness of the murder (in terms of seeing the moment it happened). It could very well be that she, herself, was the one he was talking to—this flashback would thus be about Kōji questioning Rumi's plan to kill him, bringing up the good move the watchtower bishop would bring Kōji if Rumi killed him—which would mean, at that time, she had murderous thoughts towards him, be it a personal grudge, or in a more professional sense (assassin). Her feelings towards him now seem entirely wrathful, bereft of regret over his death—if it were both feelings she displayed, then I would say she was indeed close to him. Unless new information comes to light (or Rumi actually shows regret and reminisces about the pleasant times she and Kōji had before she came to want him dead), this master is an entirely different character (Chikara, perhaps?), and Rumi is not Kōji's girlfriend or sister. What remains an open question for me is whether or not she has a connection to the Miyanos, and whether or not she is involved with one of the intelligence agencies after the BO, and if so, which one (MI6 and NPA being the most likely options)?
Zerozaki4869 wrote:After reading the spoilers, I can only say this.
Spoiler:
Image and this Image
I can safely conclude that the piece was taken away after Haneda's death.
Two reasons could be the cause of Rumi's actions.
a) Her fingerprints were on the piece. But while doing that she could leave her prints on the scissors,Kohji's clothing etc.
b) She suspected some kind of foulplay as the main reason.
Regarding Rumi's intentional destruction of her own phone, possibly it is to ensure that Amuro shouldn't track her number as she had already called the Police from that phone during Skeleton case.
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As to your theory about someone other than Kōji making the mirror message, it would have to be someone who knew about Karasuma. Since it couldn't have been Tsutomu (unless the claim is made that he actually did interfere and was involved before Kōji's father requested his help), that leaves Asaka, who you claim isn't Rumi, but rather Rum.

Naturally, Rum wouldn't leave such an incriminating message (even as a red herring to throw people off, it hits too close to home for the BO). So then shouldn't Asaka be someone else? Doesn't this mean Muga is Asaka? In my mind, at this point, only Muga or Rum could be Asaka, and given how Gosho has emphasized Asaka = Rum from the start—and even considering how ASACA RUM has since been revealed to be CARASUMA—I'd say it's more likely that he'd do this to set up a subversion, rather than it actually being something he straight-up revealed to us from the start. Though, if Muga is Asaka, it's possible that he's the one who prevented Rum from getting the piece, if Kōji did actually declare to Rum—with Rumi present, as well—that killing him wouldn't negate his watchtower bishop.
Finally, here are the full 1,052 text spoilers, translation courtesy of Manaphy:
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File 1,052: Clumsiness and Suspicions

The deceased man who looks like Umisuke Hatoyama, but whose face is more wrinkled, is probably the older brother. Kobayashi looks at his face and confirms the corpse is that of Ginsuke, the owner of the farm. She only talked with him the phone, but after doing some research on the net, she knew his face—Umisuke's claim of being a younger brother was not a lie.

Kazami judges that it's been around 30 hours since the excavation bombs were stolen in large amounts from a construction site, and that there is now a risk of a terrorist attack. Amuro suggested that they make a move only after getting more conclusive evidence, but Kazami decided on his own to follow the steps of the suspicious worker Umisuke, and upon arriving at the ranch, he had the tables turned on him.
Kazami was thinking that Umisuke killed Gisuke, but Conan and Amuro realize that Gisuke killed himself in this room from the corpse and the scene's conditions—Umisuke, who came after, merely laid Gisuke's corpse on the bed. As for the motive, from the marks left by the corpse's highlighter pen, they think that he was investigating something. However, they couldn't find a yellow highlighter among the pen he supposedly used.

Conan uses the detective badge to contact Haibara, Genta and Wakasa, and tell them about their own situation. As he tells them that Umisuke has bombs, so they shouldn't act carelessly. Umisuke appears, and Haibara realizes who he is—she stops and deceives Genta, who didn't realize and was going to reveal their identities by saying that he is a friend of Conan. Just then, Hitsuka and Nanbu appear, they wanted to ask various things to Gisuke because they're not familiar with the ranch, but he wasn't there. Umisuke lies by saying his older brother is away because he's hospitalized. It looks like the thing Hitsuka and co. are setting their sights on is in some place in the mountains, so they don't know where it went. Umisuke, Hitsuka, Nanbu gather with Kanō and decide to search for it together.

Conan tells them to look for a chance to contact the police while Umisuke is away. Haibara's smartphone is out of battery and Genta left his at home, but Wakasa brings out her smartphone from her backpocket. However, as she tries to contact them, she notices that the Shogi piece is gone and loses her composure. When Genta tells her that Amuro picked something, Wakasa becomes discouraged, and drops her smartphone in a bucket, submerged it in water—their only means of contacting the police is gone. Meanwhile, Kanō tries to find the place while watching the footage of his smartphone, but becomes impatient because he can't find it. Conan learns from Mitsuhiko what kind of footage Kanō was watching.

As Kazami looks at the shogi piece Amuro's holding, he casually starts gossiping about how Haneda Shukichi maintained his Six-Crowns by defending himself in one of the title matches. Amuro remembers during their conversation that he saw the Kōji case files during his Security Police training. This shogi piece was a good luck charm—the only personal belonging of Kōji's that went missing. The piece was something he'd earned after beating his master in a shogi tournament for the first time. Looking closely at piece, it is clear that it was stabbed. Recalling the Haneda family's conviction that the piece—something he'd never let go of—must now be in the hands of the culprit, Amuro starts to think that the one who killed Koji Haneda is at this very farm.

Meanwhile, Haibara and the others try to go back inside the ranch, but they can't even go in from the back door—it's locked. At this moment, Wakasa pretends that there's broken glass on what she tripped on and makes it so they can go in. Conan hears about the kidnapping from Ayumi who woke up, and realizes the goal of Kanō, Hitsuka and Nanbu from all the information he's gathered.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,051-1,05X

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Yup, my bet from time immemorial was Rumi/Tsutomu. Now tsutomu is not an option anymore. So Rumi it is.

But there could be a very interesting strategy of uploader being used here. The Uploader could be faking the message by creating an artificial crime scene and then hinting people to go after Karasuma group. So these two options are there.
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Zerozaki4869 wrote:
April 13th, 2020, 11:03 pm
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Yup, my bet from time immemorial was Rumi/Tsutomu. Now tsutomu is not an option anymore. So Rumi it is.

The Uploader could be faking the message by creating an artificial crime scene and then hinting people to go after Karasuma group. So these two options are there.
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Alright, so Rumi is the one responsible for the mirror message, then. (In any case, as things stand now, it could only be her or Muga)

That sure could create a conflicting message, though... "Please reveal the truth behind this... by using this fake clue I completely made up!"
Also—courtesy of Fujiwara and Hoshino Linzz, here are translations of Pages 10-14 and Page 16 of 1,052:
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Page 10
Genta: Hm?
Genta: Your back pocket has a hole in it.
Wakasa: What?

Wakasa (internal monologue): I-it’s gone…
Wakasa (internal monologue): I lost it?!

Genta: You must’ve gotten it because you’re clumsy and fall a lot.
Ai: Did you lose anything?
Wakasa: W-well, it wasn’t anything important, anyway…

Genta: Now that I think about it, that Amuro-niichan picked something up earlier.
Genta: Something like a wood chip…

Wakasa: That detective?
Genta: Yes…
Ai: That aside, you should hurry up and call the police.

Wakasa: R-right…

Wakasa: Aah!
Wakasa: No!

Page 11
Wakasa: Ahh!
Ai/Genta: What?!

Ai: Sorry, we’ve lost our means to call the police…
Conan: What? Are you serious?!
Ai: Anyway, the three of us will head to the office and contact you once we’ve arrived.

SFX: huff
SFX: huff

Guy: Damn it!
Guy: Where is it?!

Guy: Where…
Guy: The hell…
Guy: Is this place?!

Page 12
Conan: Huh?
Conan: A beam in the night sky?
Sign: Hatoyama Farm

Conan: That’s what that big guy was watching…?
Mitsu: Yes! He was watching a tokusatsu film.

Mitsu: But there was a quiet voice, saying…
Mitsu: Who is it? Who’s setting off fireworks in the middle of the mountains?
Mitsu: So it might have been some kind of sci-fi comedy…

Kazami: What have you been staring at this whole time?
Amuro: A Shogi piece!

Amuro: I can’t shake the feeling that I’ve seen this bishop piece somewhere before…
Amuro: A piece with a cut on its lower left…

Page 13
Kazami: Speaking of shogi, how 'bout Haneda Shūkichi Meijin!
Kazami: He defended his title again and still holds six titles! Awesome, isn’t he?!
Amuro (internal monologue): Haneda!

Amuro (internal monologue): The one who mysteriously died in America 17 years ago...
Amuro (internal monologue): The genius player, Haneda Kōji!

Amuro (internal monologue): After that incident, the only thing that was missing from his belongings was...
Amuro (internal monologue): A bishop piece, which he always carried around as a charm.
Piece: Bishop (and the rest of the panels)

Amuro (internal monologue): According to the documents of unsolved cases that was shown to us during our training for Public Safety...
Amuro (internal monologue): That bishop was the last piece he moved when he won for the first time against his master in shogi.
Amuro (internal monologue): And his family mentioned (testified) that there’s no way that their son would ever have let go of that piece...
Amuro (internal monologue): So whoever has it now must be the criminal.

Amuro (internal monologue): It's just like the one I saw in the photos back then...
Amuro (internal monologue): The shape of the crack and the letter style on this bishop are extremely similar.

Amuro (internal monologue): Don’t tell me...

Page 14
Amuro (internal monologue): Are they here in this farm?
Amuro (internal monologue): The criminal who murdered Haneda Kōji…

[clack] *2

Ai: It’s really no use...
Ai: The backdoor is also locked.
Genta: Then we can’t enter!

[slip]

[shatter]
Wakasa: Kya!

Ai: Sensei, are you alright?
Genta: You’re not injured anywhere?
Wakasa: Yeah...

Wakasa: But now that the glass shattered, it seems like we can enter, huh?
Genta: Yep!

Page 16
Ayumi: Also, there was something like a reaally long groove...
Ayumi: Dug on the ground.

Conan (internal monologue): A hole on the wall of the chicken farm...
Conan (internal monologue): A trace of something buried right in front of it...

Conan (internal monologue): A video of a beam shooting through the night sky...
Conan (internal monologue): That the kids got scolded for watching...

Conan (internal monologue): Then, the countless number of burnt tree branches...
Conan (internal monologue): And the long groove dug on the ground...

Conan (internal monologue): I finally got it.
Conan (internal monologue): Those three who were on the bus with us...
Conan (internal monologue): I know why they came here!

Side Text: A dark room that’s hard to move around… But things are gradually coming together?!
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That sure could create a conflicting message, though... "Please reveal the truth behind this... by using this fake clue I completely made up!"
Doesn't seem to be the case though.

The uploader uploaded the images of Kohji's palm and the scissors and the image alignment totally matches with the alignment of the source that Amuro had used in his Security Planning training days training days. But incidentally the uploader is silent about the existence of a shogi piece.
Instead the uploader is hinting towards the mirror image.

As if the uploader is trying to say "Investigate Karasuma group" and the rest will be taken care of.
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Zerozaki4869 wrote:
April 15th, 2020, 1:19 am
Spoiler:
That sure could create a conflicting message, though... "Please reveal the truth behind this... by using this fake clue I completely made up!"
Doesn't seem to be the case though.

The uploader uploaded the images of Kohji's palm and the scissors and the image alignment totally matches with the alignment of the source that Amuro had used in his Security Planning training days training days. But incidentally the uploader is silent about the existence of a shogi piece.
Instead the uploader is hinting towards the mirror image.

As if the uploader is trying to say "Investigate Karasuma group" and the rest will be taken care of.
Spoiler:
Granted, Karasuma is the ultimate cause of Kōji's murder, so that being the uploader's goal sounds right.

And I suppose it could be a test on the uploader's part, as well—"If you get misled and confused easily and can't see the reason for the existence of my fake clue, you're not someone I want solving this, because you clearly won't solve this if you can't see through it."
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DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
April 14th, 2020, 11:27 pm
Spoiler:
Amuro: I can’t shake the feeling that I’ve seen this bishop piece somewhere before…
Amuro: A piece with a cut on its lower left…
Amuro (internal monologue): The one who mysteriously died in America 17 years ago...
Amuro (internal monologue): The genius player, Haneda Kōji!
Amuro (internal monologue): After that incident, the only thing that was missing from his belongings was...
Amuro (internal monologue): A bishop piece, which he always carried around as a charm.
Piece: Bishop (and the rest of the panels)
Amuro (internal monologue): According to the documents of unsolved cases that was shown to us during our training for Public Safety...
Amuro (internal monologue): That bishop was the last piece he moved when he won for the first time against his master in shogi.
Amuro (internal monologue): And his family mentioned (testified) that there’s no way that their son would ever have let go of that piece...
Amuro (internal monologue): So whoever has it now must be the criminal.
Amuro (internal monologue): It's just like the one I saw in the photos back then...
Amuro (internal monologue): The shape of the crack and the letter style on this bishop are extremely similar.
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hmm.... but if Amuro has seen the bishop piece with a crack/cut on the lower left that means the crack already existed even before it went missing from his belongings though... so the crack couldn't have been made at the time he was attacked and went missing but rather the crack was already there when the bishop piece was still in his possession and carried it as a lucky charm? but there was no crack on the shogi piece at the time he showed it to Rumi though.....? :-\

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What I don't like about this case is the fact that Amuro found some shogi piece on the ground and immediately knew it was a shogi piece of a chessmaster that died 30 years ago on the other side of the world called USA. Though, maybe I'm wrong on this and Amuro knew that it's just a random game piece some random child lost here.
EDIT:
Spoiler:
Anyway, I'm still not sure who's Rum. If not Rumi, then it must be Wakita. It probably can't be Hyoue because of the meeting Kuroda had with Rumi during the camping. If we assume that Rumi is Asaka or anybody else that was near or during the murder of Kouji, and then Kuroda is Rum, then he most likely would recognize Rumi (well, actually both of them recognized each other) as one of the murder witnesses, and he would try to kill Rumi. But he didn't even try considering that Rumi still is working in the school. On the other hand, if Kuroda is Tsutomu, he should not know Rumi at all, and vice versa, because Tsutomu appeared after the murder and after Asaka fled, and therefore they would not recognize each other. Therefore Kuroda cannot be Tsutomu nor Rum if Rumi is Asaka.

Therefore I still think that Rumi is Rum. She chose that fake name because she wants to lure people who would react to "Rum". Also, it also could be that Rum met Kouji before they murdered him. If Rumi is Rum, it also would explain the reaction of Rumi when she met Kuroda (Rum-i knows Kuroda is Tsutomu, and that's why they acted hosstile to each other. But Rum-i has also another mission, so she could not try to kill Kuroda back then, and Kuroda didn't do anything to Rumi, because he's not a killer).

Regarding Rumi and Amuro. Rum knows how Amuro looks like, and if she's Rum, she would be very well interested why would Bourbon talk to Conan - her target. And since Rum is looking for rats, they as well could check out Bourbon's loyalty.

What is sad, though, is the fact that Kazami slipped Rei's surname to the DB. I'm pretty sure that the DB will mention Furuya's surname while Rumi will be there, and she will find out that Bourbon's true name is Furuya Rei. If she's Rum, then Bourbon might be in trouble...
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So I did a little research with the Bishop piece. It seems the Kanji's of the Bishop or Uma can't be used to form coherent names but there's a way out. The Kanji's have certain Nanori(name) readings which can point to certain legal Japanese names (albeit Phonetically).
So I scouted online Nanori reading of the both the Kanjis consisting the Kaku/Bishop part and Promoted Bishop/Uma separately.
This is for Bishop part.
- Inami (surname or female name)
- Iname (surname or female name)
- Imichi (surname)
- Sunami (surname or female name)
- Suname (surname)
- Sumichi (surname)
- Suminami (surname)
- Sumiyuki (name, gender not specified?)
- Fusamichi (name, gender not specified?)
- Fusayuki (name, gender not specified?)
For "promoted bishop"
- Ryuuta (name)
- Ryuume (name)
- Ryuumo (name or surname)

Thanks to Holmes for checking the legality of the names and giving a clear outline for the Gender.
This is the source.
https://www.japandict.com/%E8%A7%92%E8%A1%8C
https://www.japandict.com/%E7%AB%9C%E9%A6%AC?lang=eng
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blackmoon wrote:
April 15th, 2020, 6:44 am
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there was no crack on the shogi piece at the time he showed it to Rumi though.....? :-\

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You sure about that? His index finger is blocking the view.
Nemomon wrote:
April 15th, 2020, 6:55 am
Spoiler:
Amuro found some shogi piece on the ground and immediately knew it was a shogi piece of a chessmaster that died 30 years ago on the other side of the world called USA. Though, maybe I'm wrong on this and Amuro knew that it's just a random game piece some random child lost here.
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This wouldn't be the first such convenience, though.

17 years. 30 is nearly twice that.

That would be just as unlikely or even more unlikely than "Amuro found some shogi piece of a chessmaster that died years ago on the other side of the world".
Zerozaki4869 wrote:
April 16th, 2020, 12:05 am
Spoiler:
So I did a little research with the Bishop piece. It seems the Kanji's of the Bishop or Uma can't be used to form coherent names but there's a way out. The Kanji's have certain Nanori(name) readings which can point to certain legal Japanese names (albeit Phonetically).
So I scouted online Nanori reading of the both the Kanjis consisting the Kaku/Bishop part and Promoted Bishop/Uma separately.
This is for Bishop part.
- Inami (surname or female name)
- Iname (surname or female name)
- Imichi (surname)
- Sunami (surname or female name)
- Suname (surname)
- Sumichi (surname)
- Suminami (surname)
- Sumiyuki (name, gender not specified?)
- Fusamichi (name, gender not specified?)
- Fusayuki (name, gender not specified?)
For "promoted bishop"
- Ryuuta (name)
- Ryuume (name)
- Ryuumo (name or surname)

Thanks to Holmes for checking the legality of the names and giving a clear outline for the Gender.
This is the source.
https://www.japandict.com/%E8%A7%92%E8%A1%8C
https://www.japandict.com/%E7%AB%9C%E9%A6%AC?lang=eng
Spoiler:
I wonder if Inami, Iname or Sunami is Rumi's real name... I can't shake the possibility that he was indeed talking to her in that flashback in 1,033, and intended to use the piece to incriminate her if she were to kill him. Of course, that would raise a problem for the investigation of Rum—if the dying message was meant to incriminate Rumi, then is there any way to actually ID Rum with the piece?

Alternatively, we're dealing with fake names... or separate killers of Amanda (Rum) and Kōji (not Rum).
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I wonder if Inami, Iname or Sunami is Rumi's real name... I can't shake the possibility that he was indeed talking to her in that flashback in 1,033, and intended to use the piece to incriminate her if she were to kill him. Of course, that would raise a problem for the investigation of Rum—if the dying message was meant to incriminate Rumi, then is there any way to actually ID Rum with the piece?

Alternatively, we're dealing with fake names... or separate killers of Amanda (Rum) and Kōji (not Rum).
Given Gosho's track record I do think that it wasn't a threat or something remotely close it. I see two possibilities,
a) Rumi is a shogi student of Haneda Kohji and Kohji was demonstrating her the usage of a watch-tower Bishop and the kill here is vanquishing in a game.
b) Rumi and Kohji are strategizing about Kohji's safety where Kohji says that he has a trump card up his sleeve. (Most likely a plan that backfired i.e. the person who was Kohji's bishop was none other than Rum.)
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Zerozaki4869 wrote:
April 16th, 2020, 1:21 pm
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I wonder if Inami, Iname or Sunami is Rumi's real name... I can't shake the possibility that he was indeed talking to her in that flashback in 1,033, and intended to use the piece to incriminate her if she were to kill him. Of course, that would raise a problem for the investigation of Rum—if the dying message was meant to incriminate Rumi, then is there any way to actually ID Rum with the piece?

Alternatively, we're dealing with fake names... or separate killers of Amanda (Rum) and Kōji (not Rum).
Given Gosho's track record I do think that it wasn't a threat or something remotely close it. I see two possibilities,
a) Rumi is a shogi student of Haneda Kohji and Kohji was demonstrating her the usage of a watch-tower Bishop and the kill here is vanquishing in a game.
b) Rumi and Kohji are strategizing about Kohji's safety where Kohji says that he has a trump card up his sleeve. (Most likely a plan that backfired i.e. the person who was Kohji's bishop was none other than Rum.)
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In terms of the origins of Rumi's pain and anger, I can definitely see the true meaning behind those words being something of the sort. Gosho has already cast suspicion on her by taking those words out of context—no need to have her actually have wanted him dead. After all, calling him a fool may be more of a pain and anger response than just an anger response. If it weren't for moments like, "Stab her... or would you like me to show you how it's done?", then I'd be more confident in thinking that she had no anger issues before Kōji's death.
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blackmoon wrote:
April 15th, 2020, 6:44 am
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
April 14th, 2020, 11:27 pm
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Amuro: I can’t shake the feeling that I’ve seen this bishop piece somewhere before…
Amuro: A piece with a cut on its lower left…
Amuro (internal monologue): The one who mysteriously died in America 17 years ago...
Amuro (internal monologue): The genius player, Haneda Kōji!
Amuro (internal monologue): After that incident, the only thing that was missing from his belongings was...
Amuro (internal monologue): A bishop piece, which he always carried around as a charm.
Piece: Bishop (and the rest of the panels)
Amuro (internal monologue): According to the documents of unsolved cases that was shown to us during our training for Public Safety...
Amuro (internal monologue): That bishop was the last piece he moved when he won for the first time against his master in shogi.
Amuro (internal monologue): And his family mentioned (testified) that there’s no way that their son would ever have let go of that piece...
Amuro (internal monologue): So whoever has it now must be the criminal.
Amuro (internal monologue): It's just like the one I saw in the photos back then...
Amuro (internal monologue): The shape of the crack and the letter style on this bishop are extremely similar.
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hmm.... but if Amuro has seen the bishop piece with a crack/cut on the lower left that means the crack already existed even before it went missing from his belongings though... so the crack couldn't have been made at the time he was attacked and went missing but rather the crack was already there when the bishop piece was still in his possession and carried it as a lucky charm? but there was no crack on the shogi piece at the time he showed it to Rumi though.....? :-\

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"With a watchtower bishop, there's bound to be a good move. Are you saying you will kill me despite that?" - especially when you consider that he's saying it with a smile, it does seem he means to ask Rumi (who may be either his student or teacher) if she is going to kill his SHOGI PIECE instead of actually the PERSON that is him. One might in fact see Rumi in a completely different light, if you take the context of the dialogues as over a shogi match. This way, she is someone close to Haneda Kouji.

Speculation: What if she is the mysterious uploader who uploads information about the case regularly? She traced the addresses of the people who accessed the information on the site before it was taken down in the hopes of finding someone who is BO or someone else who is investigating it as well. Conan himself complained that it kept being taken down, so he accessed it multiple times.
However, I myself find a major hole in this theory - If this theory is true, why would Rumi suspect Conan / Haibara instead of Agasa himself, because it is essentially his IP address that Conan looked up the information from.
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blackmoon wrote:
April 9th, 2020, 7:20 am
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apparantly Bourbon picked up a shoji piece that was dropped in the grass field... seems to be the same one Haneda Kouji showed to Rumi from her recollection? ;D
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It's highly likely that Rumi left it there on purpose to illicit some kind of interest from the keen private eye detective since Amuro claimed to be a good detective . As of now i still see rumi as a non rum candidate, but i can't atm completely bring myself believe that, as Rum could also want to know how much others know about the case.

You never know what Gosho is planning but i'm excited to see consecutive canon case files that relate to the Rum arc. Man if only Yoshihiro Togashi could pace HxH chapters like my man gosho.
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