Okiya Subaru's True Identity

[SkyVenger]

Maybe Ran held back a bit, seeing that Okiya did not even attempt to fight back, so Okiya did not get severely damaged

[Rio Nagava]

Maybe Ran held back a bit, seeing that Okiya did not even attempt to fight back, so Okiya did not get severely damaged

I don't think so... She didn't have different kicks...
Her father, thugs, Okiya - all get hit by the same amount of force it seems...
And look only 1 person was able to avoid Ran's kick (not Conan ).
Others passes out right away...

[ash_arani]

I have realized something fishy relating to Ran's kick. I believe that Ran's kick should be a reason to believe the Okiya is NOT in disguise... Unless I am missing something, if someone wearing a disguise is suddenly kicked, should not the disguise be altered... Even if slightly... After all, a disguise is to avoid being noticed or to avoid danger...

If you go back to Kaito's Mid-Air Walk, Kid tells Conan that he did not put the googles because it would ruin his disguise http://www.dctp.ws/V44-Reader/V44-10Read/A14.html.... Also, when Akai shot Vermouth with the shotgun http://www.dctp.ws/V42-Reader/V42-10Read/A11.html, he clearly stated that this is the real Vermouth as the scratches are obvious...

So, unless Ran's kick was waaay too weak, Okiya's disguise is special that it won't give away, or if Gosho made a mistake, then there is no reason to believe that Okiya is someone in disguise.

As to who Okiya might be.... There's a possibility he is an acquaintance of Akai.. But as mentioned by Rio Nagava, the timeline is not clear... After all, Okiya must have been living for quite some time in that building that was burnt. That kid Kaitou was familiar with him and went further to call him 'red' guy... Also, Kaitou was sensing someone doing something for few nights which means, that this Okiya was stationed at that building for quite sometime..

I know I might be going a bit over, but I am going to argue that Okiya should not turn out to be Bourbon... It just does not suit the way the Black Org operates.. Also, we can safely agree that Conan 'knows' something about this Okiya or else, he would not ask him for help in that Rolls Royce case... And Conan indeed has his mail address (from that case), would you think a Black Org member would allow that.. Especially that he would be living next to Sherry and supposedly the man who is helping her... And to someone like Okiya with deduction skills, can't the professor who was successful in protecting Sherry be a potential risk to his operation... Even worse, have access to his residence AND mail address...

It was also mentioned that we only know Bourbon but we do not know the gender... Also, Haibara sensing is another issue as although she feels the presence of a Balck Org member, she also is wrong sometimes http://www.dctp.ws/V41-Reader/V41-6Read/A13.html.. The people in the car were not related to Black Org and Akai wasn't one of them.. That is why I suggested an acquaintance of Akai (which might still be farfetched)...

Whoaaa!! I did write a lot... I still have one last bit to throw into the mix and that is could Okiya be related to Eisuke somehow?... Like a partner of Rena from CIA that conan secretly met... Maybe.. I am just thnking out loud... After all, Eisuke knows Conan's truth but I doubt we have seen the last of him..

Remember my whole discussion is pure theortical and Gosho might end up proving me wrong and have Okiya = Akai ?= Bourbon...

I really can't wait for the next story arc!!!!

But till then... What do you guys think????

[Rio Nagava]

Heh, nice 
Good points 

IF Okiya is Akai, then his disguise is much more advanced then Kaitou's.
Remember - Okiya is wearing glasses already, and he washes his face, he brushes his teeth...
He got kicked in the face. =)

But if he isn't Akai, then this is still odd.
Why does it look's like he avoid Ran's "Yaiba's Kiiick!" 

[Shin-chan]

It is more likely that the disguise is less advanced.  Akai already acknowledged that a mask covering the skin can be discovered and you don't need to use as much effort to create an entirely new identity.

The latest chapter provides a few points of note:
-Ai tells Conan that Okiya is one of "what you call the Men in Black".  Conan's only reaction is "You can still feel it?"
-Gosho uses a page to have Ai trip and be quickly rescued by Okiya.
-Okiya wants to use the Professor's house to cook the fish.
-Okiya wants to take a picture of the Detective Boys.  (Notice that Ayumi has to push Ai into the shot.)
-We already know of his detective abilities but here we see him naturally deduce that the case is a murder as quickly as Conan.

This does appear to support it being Akai, particularly from the first point.  Conan is really lacking a lot of caution over Okiya and his reaction fits Akai's situation more than if Ai's news came as a surprise to him.  The tripping scene also fits Akai's likely intention of watching over Ai for her sister.  (That's my theory on the PS of the text message anyway.)

So the big question is why Akai is so eager to have access to the Professor's house.  He must be interested in investigating something about Ai or "Kinichi".

The part I'm most interested in seeing is how Conan reveals the solution of the case, especially compared to his reluctance to use Sonoko around Eisuke.

[SkyVenger]

Okiya is enough to "represent" as mystery solver. Conan will just give away his ideas and clues, without risk, if you say Okiya=Akai, because Akai knows Conan before the "incident" with Kir.

But still, Conan wouldn't want Akai to know that Conan=Shinichi="Kinichi" (lol). He doesn't trust the FBI fully, after all

[Nyarl]

Yeah, unless Conan starts doing the, "I leaned about it from Shin'ichi nii-chan," bit, he's just too open about his investigations when Okiya is around for Okiya to be anyone other than Shuuichi (unless of course Conan has become oblivious or forgetful for the convenience of a suspenseful Bourbon plot (which would be so incredibly lame)).

I guess Conan is not telling Haibara because he respects Shuuichi. I guess Shuuichi hasn't told her yet because he still hasn't been ready to face her openly, still feeling guilty about Akemi. That is kind of… insensitive to Haibara, given how much additional fear she's must be feeling... (Might serve her right, tough, depending on whether one interprets her confrontation with Conan at the hospital about letting Ran know the truth as something close to blackmail or not.)

[SkyVenger]

Exactly. He can't use that "from Shinichi-niichan" line because if Okiya=Akai, because he is aware of Conan's intelligance so he'd think that most probably Conan=Shinichi. Conan might make use of the "TV" alibi though; Okiya will understand that he wants to avoid suspicion by maintaining a "kid level intelligence" impression from others.

[Quiet Lurker]

Exactly. He can't use that "from Shinichi-niichan" line because if Okiya=Akai, because he is aware of Conan's intelligance so he'd think that most probably Conan=Shinichi. Conan might make use of the "TV" alibi though; Okiya will understand that he wants to avoid suspicion by maintaining a "kid level intelligence" impression from others.

Don't forget that Akai never met Shinichi or see him solve any cases so even if Okiya=Akai, he can't exactly make a comparison.

[ash_arani]

I still do not understand why Akai should not know Conan = Shinichi... From what we saw, Akai and Conan work so well together... They kinda remind me of Heiji and Conan... And they both have the same objective in mind.... And if indeed Okiya (assuming he's Akai) is watching over Haibara because she is Akemi's sister... Then he would understand that somehow, people can shrink... And with Mr. Genius Detective Conan around, there is a possibility he might suspect this guy is shrunken person...

Another point... Conan was comfortable with Eisuke uncovering his identity... Given his 'clumsiness' and him being a potential risk for blowing his cover... Why not let Okiya (if Akai) figure out the connection...??

Besides... Okiya saw Conan in action during that arson case... Also, Conan has used Okiya's help to 'solve' another case (the Rolls Royce)... And also, in the latest file, Conan and Okiya are running parallel deductions already!!! Okiya must be stupid if he did not already start asking questions... Again, assuming he doesn't know...

[chubs191]

  Woot! Okiya was in this last chapter! I'm starting an Okiya fanclub!

  All that I was thinking after reading the chapter was, 'Conan, please let Okiya solve this one.  For your own good and mine!' If Conan lets him solve it, it would give us more insight into who he is.  But Conan's gonna let his big-headed ego get in the way (probably).

  GO OKIYA!

[Rellik]

i can actually see where this new case is going to end with, Conan is so going to drug Okiya and do the deduction show, u can tell lol

[torin]

Somehow, I think that mangaka did a great job adding Okiya Subaru.
He spices up the mystery with the BO and makes me all impatient for the next chapters.

There are still many unanwsered questions like is Akai really dead, who is that Bourbon and who is exactely Vermouth.
But with Okiya Subaru, it's becoming thrilling.

[SkyVenger]

There are still many unanwsered questions like is Akai really dead, who is that Bourbon and who is exactely Vermouth

I don't know how Vermouth got into this, imo she gets less attention due to Okiya's appearance, but... oh well

[torin]

What I meant about Vermouth, is the confusion she caused.
She was supposed to kill Conan-Shinichi, but she won't because he was her silver bullet to destroy the BO.
That's why I thought that maybe she was a spy in the BO herself.