Mafia Round 72: It's a Secret to Everybody [BO Wins]

[Stopwatch]

(17-1)/3=5.3 so there should be five or six BO, more likely five. Not sure where people have been getting the four number from, but I guess it explains some stuff .

And full disclosure: me and Kleene only PMed about three times or something so literally all I knew about her was she could inv which I found out kinda late last night, she hadn't actually replied to any of my questions about leads :V.

RMed :V

[shinichi'sapprentice]

Conia, miyayes, and Jecka DID NOT KILL MOONKAGI ON NIGHT 1.

Vermouth is IN.

[dumytru]

Also, who and where in the thread was it said that SA was CE-ed?

I assumed that. I don't really know all the actions/roles, so I assumed it was Eri.

Vermouth is IN.

And apparently Anokata isn't.

[miyano_shiho]

There's a lot of names there that could hold details about Kleene. Even more, Abs. was both in contact with her and pinched as well.
And also no less important:

Update: Stoppy now knows I can investigate. No one else knows much about be. The ones I talked to could assume that I have a night action tho.

The only person that knew Kleene could Investigate is marked right there. If Stoppy was aware that Meme or Abs. were pinched... then just shrugging it off as a coincidence starts to sound like a bit of a stretch.

Also Kleene's reaction (!quote 358 for you girigirl) suggests that it was unexpected, possibly betrayed by an ally of sorts?

Now, related to Kleene's killer:
I've been talking to her, but she was very secretive. She basically told me nothing. And she told me "we didn't really shared info with each other" when I asked her about SA.
My point is, she's usually more active with sharing info (last game she claimed observer to several people N1). So maybe this way the BO figured out she's playing safe because she's a cop.
If that's so, Abs and Meme really look suspicious.

It's almost 100% that at least one of Abs- and Meme is BO. I think to figure out which one of them is BO should be our priority this phase.

Conia mentioned Abs- was both pinched and in contact with Kleene.
Dumy says Kleene's usually more active with sharing info and might have been figured out because she was playing too safe.
Stop knowing Kleene could investigate, for me, isn't too much of a big deal and would only help little in APTXing (the BO probably had better leads than that).
Dumy says Meme is suspicious because it took long for her to reply to his PMs.

Based on that alone, it's more likely that Abs- is BO, but we really need hard evidence. I'm still waiting for more info about the SA lead. If it turns out next phase we haven't figured out which one of Abs- and Meme is BO, maybe going for SA might be better.

RMed. :V Those are some big leads, SA. But for sure all BO would know that too, right? Kinda suspicious too.

EDIT: To town, please refrain from revealing too much about your roles. If another one of us gets APTXed, we lose.

[Raiden]

Also, who and where in the thread was it said that SA was CE-ed?

I assumed that. I don't really know all the actions/roles, so I assumed it was Eri.

EDIT 2: I just read about the town trickster. How could I have missed the post -_-
But why wouldn't there be two town tricksters? Don't randomly share failed actions if we don't know for sure. Last game there was Amuro and Sera, right? That's two town tricksters.

I missed IwaYuri's post about being tricked initially as well, so can't fault you for that one. A small mention between SA/Conia banterings... :/

What I really came to say...
Amuro has Frighten+Observe, Sera is trickster. How do they have the same action to you

I know PT changed a lot of stuff this round but last round Amuro was SI OR Observe + Frighten, Sera protect+stalk, which is still now the same actions.

I think you should go read up on the rules, dumytru, as it does not give a very valid claim to the point you are trying to make when you do not even know the rules in question.

Edit: Wow, that was a lot of posts coming up so soon before I could post mine. *Goes back to catching up*

[Stopwatch]

Only half up to date atm but Sera had stalk last round which functioned as a pseudo-observe.

EDIT:

Okay, so I'm wary of speculating about Town roles here, but the thing is last round had many many SIers and many observe-types. So, yes, it's possible. However, last round was also super odd in terms of that balancing. When I found the third observe-claim I was like 60% they were a sniper/BO-observer because it would fit with traditional balancing, but it turned out they were Town. My point is, I don't really want to read into GM-style, but PT specifically revamped things this game so it's not overconvoluted and is more traditional and all the roles revealed so far fit with that. It's possible there are remaining Town tricksters, sure, but I put that likelihood at about 25%. As opposed to 75% likely any remaining tricksters would be Mafia.

[dumytru]

What I really came to say...
Amuro has Frighten+Observe, Sera is trickster. How do they have the same action to you

I know PT changed a lot of stuff this round but last round Amuro was SI OR Observe + Frighten, Sera protect+stalk, which is still now the same actions.

Oh, wow. Sorry. I did read the rules. I usually do.
When I wrote that post, I just woke up and...

Spoiler:

EDIT: I read it wrong, basically.

*goes back to read stuff*

[Raiden]

Only half up to date atm but Sera had stalk last round which functioned as a pseudo-observe.

Fair enough.

EDIT:

Okay, so I'm wary of speculating about Town roles here, but the thing is last round had many many SIers and many observe-types. So, yes, it's possible. However, last round was also super odd in terms of that balancing. When I found the third observe-claim I was like 60% they were a sniper/BO-observer because it would fit with traditional balancing, but it turned out they were Town. My point is, I don't really want to read into GM-style, but PT specifically revamped things this game so it's not overconvoluted and is more traditional and all the roles revealed so far fit with that. It's possible there are remaining Town tricksters, sure, but I put that likelihood at about 25%. As opposed to 75% likely any remaining tricksters would be Mafia.

I was about to say the same thing when I noticed this sneak edit. Important bit is emboldened.

Oh, wow. Sorry. I did read the rules. I usually do.
When I wrote that post, I just woke up and...

Spoiler:

EDIT: I read it wrong, basically.

*goes back to read stuff*

You are reading the wrong rules for this round. That is true for Ako's round but...

— Several people went on vacation and never returned: Yamamura, Yamato, Uehara, Tome, Kujou, Yoko, Hakuba

When Sera gained trick Yoko was removed from action (re: buried in Uehara and Yamato's backyard), it's true Eisuke could still be in play but the likelyhood of the other trickster is BO is much higher in term of balancing goes.I don't really want to go into speculating town roles in anymore depth here though it's iffy ground which would only serve the BO's purpose.

Miya make some valid points in her posts.

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To town, please refrain from revealing too much about your roles. If another one of us gets APTXed, we lose.

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If it turns out next phase we haven't figured out which one of Abs- and Meme is BO, maybe going for SA might be better.

[dumytru]

Ah, ok. So basically what happened is I opened up the rules for the current round, where Amuro can Frighten and Sera can trick, and looked at the last round, where both Sera and Amuro were in, but in that game they weren't both tricksters.


EDIT: *removed huge quote*
Anyways, 25% is high enough, but now I have reasons to believe there isn't another town trickster. But don't quote me on that.

[Conia]

Sign me up too for Miyanou's reasoning!

[dumytru]

About miya's logic, I'm not sure why Abs is more suspicious compared to Meme, but otherwise I agree.

[Conia]

I better announce it here before the rain of PMs start

I have an important tournament in 3 hours and I've been awake for the last 16 hours, 9 of those involving job work. PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I DON'T ANSWER BACK IN A REASONABLE TIME :'D

[Raiden]

Conia, miyayes, and Jecka DID NOT KILL MOONKAGI ON NIGHT 1.

Vermouth is IN.

FYI:
Anyone who read the Night 2 phase change would know Jecka is not the killer since she was tricked by KID-Sera Night 1.

[cinnamoroll]

D: Kleenemori D:

So many new posts *goes read everything*

[dumytru]

So, which actions can stop the lynch? Eri's Voice of Reason and Protect? There's no other action, right?