What's the identity of Rum?

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Re: Spoilers: What's the identity of Rum?

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David mason wrote:^If matsumoto is Rum then the raven chaser movie wouldn't make sense. Then again it wasn't canon but still
Raven Chaser movie was so long time ago (over 5 years ago) that I don't think that Gosho even considered adding Rum yet ;)
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Re: Spoilers: What's the identity of Rum?

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Nemomon wrote:
David mason wrote:^If matsumoto is Rum then the raven chaser movie wouldn't make sense. Then again it wasn't canon but still
Raven Chaser movie was so long time ago (over 5 years ago) that I don't think that Gosho even considered adding Rum yet ;)
True but that's not really a valid argument. That's like saying that the argument that kansuke isn't rum because haibara didn't get the bo feeling from back in the red wall case doesn't hold because it was long ago too.
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Re: Spoilers: What's the identity of Rum?

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Nemomon wrote:
David mason wrote:^If matsumoto is Rum then the raven chaser movie wouldn't make sense. Then again it wasn't canon but still
Raven Chaser movie was so long time ago (over 5 years ago) that I don't think that Gosho even considered adding Rum yet ;)
Actually, Gosho has wanted to draw a character called "Rum" for a while. The reason he didn't was because of the popular series Urusai Yatsura. That series has a character called "Lum-chan" and "Rum" and "Lum" are spelled the same way in Japanese katakana. He even drew a joke panel in which Lum was introduced as a new BO member. Conan is dressed as a character called Glasses-kun (Megane-kun)
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David mason wrote: True but that's not really a valid argument. That's like saying that the argument that kansuke isn't rum because haibara didn't get the bo feeling from back in the red wall case doesn't hold because it was long ago too.
Kansuke isn't Rum because Gosho told us he isn't Rum though Animal Crossings hints.
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Re: Spoilers: What's the identity of Rum?

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Wakarimashita wrote:Mysterious eyes on the website...first Rum visual ?

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Gosho Aoyama said that Rum has already appeared on the manga ,as far as i know there is nobody with yellow / blue eyes ,so we can conclude that RUM always wear sunglasses (like Kuroda).
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Maybe Rum could be wearing color contacts in one or both of his or her eyes.
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Resembles a bit the style of Akai's eyes... Could it be the mystery child? That'd be an interesting plot twist.
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MoonRaven wrote:Resembles a bit the style of Akai's eyes... Could it be the mystery child? That'd be an interesting plot twist.
They also look like Kuroda's eyes
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Except both the MG and Kuroda have one line under their eyes, while the eyes in the trailer clearly have two lines.
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Serinox wrote:Except both the MG and Kuroda have one line under their eyes, while the eyes in the trailer clearly have two lines.
Exactly, these eyes are unique, and I don't recall any character in the series having eyes like those, it might be that Gosho's comment of RUM appearing had a different meaning or that RUM has appeared while disguised, or the eyes belong to someone else.
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Oxynou wrote:They also look like Kuroda's eyes
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Actually, Kuroda has the same dark line under his eye as Gin does, now.

Question is, if this is Rum, is this Rum's true appearance, or is it a disguise? People may be able to have one eye be one color and the other another color (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterochromia_iridum), but yellow? It may be for the coolness factor, but I've never seen someone with an eye color like this person's right eye has.

The nature of Rum's appearance in this movie will depend upon what's going on in the manga, by April 16th (I think, by then, we'll be in the 950s-960s).

It could very well be that these eyes are the eyes of a character who will only appear in this movie, disguise or otherwise.
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Oxynou wrote:They also look like Kuroda's eyes
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DCUniverseAficionado wrote: Actually, Kuroda has the same dark line under his eye as Gin does, now.
I'm still willing to dismiss that thing under Gin's eye as a shadow and not a mark like the Akai family eyes
It didn't even begin appearing regularly until Volume 24 (Reunion with the Black Organization),
and even in that case he only has in in 1/3rd of the panels he appears in for that case
Other people have had that shadow occasionally. as well as several people with glasses (like Okiya) and hats (not shown)
In addition, Kuroda doesn't always have that shadow under his eyes, he really only seems to have it in 913, 916, 917, and 921
Its virtually absent in 914 and 915, and doesn't come back in 916 until he leans down to talk to Conan, but after that it comes and goes
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Wakarimashita wrote:Mysterious eyes on the website...first Rum visual ?
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Uchiha Shadow wrote: it might be that Gosho's comment of RUM appearing had a different meaning or that RUM has appeared while disguised, or the eyes belong to someone else.
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:It could very well be that these eyes are the eyes of a character who will only appear in this movie, disguise or otherwise.
I agree with DCU here. I don't think that this is Rum. If Gosho gave us a bunch of physical descriptions of Rum in the manga for the purpose of us trying to figure out who the character is for ourselves, it would seem really unlikely to just hand us something so unique about Rum so many months before the movie comes out or before the manga can further address Rum and his features. If someone were to appear in the manga with these eyes we would just go "oh, ok, thats Rum" and that would be it. Its just far more likely that this is some other Anime Original BO agent or unique interesting character that will serve as the main plot of the movie. I feel like its far more likely to be some other character who happens to have Heterochromia Iridum (two different colored eyes) regardless of whether they were obtained genetically or through injury of the eye.

Rum being a disguise character would be odd because as far as we are aware at this point there is no reason that he would have been in disguise. Out of the BO members that seem to even know about Rum, most of them seem to not even know what he looks like, so him appearing in disguise before them would be pointless. He could walk right in front of them and they wouldn't know. Plus, if he was a disguise character, then giving us physical descriptions would be even more pointless. For the Bourbon arc we got personality descriptions that described him as being detective-like. Following that we were introduced to Okiya the sherlockian, Scar Akai who is a people stalker and can solve a case by text message(red shirts case), Masumi a detective, and Amuro a private eye. Given that for Rum we got physical descriptions, we are bound to get tons of characters who fit those descriptions such as Yamato and Kuroda.
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

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To clarify, I don't think it's Rum either. I just brought up the possibility cause I knew it would launch a discussion. :P
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Wakarimashita wrote:To clarify, I don't think it's Rum either. I just brought up the possibility cause I knew it would launch a discussion. :P
Wakarimashita wrote:Mysterious eyes on the website...first Rum visual ?
Indeed. :)
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Re: Detective Conan Movie 20 (Title to be determined) - 2016

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jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
Oxynou wrote:They also look like Kuroda's eyes
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DCUniverseAficionado wrote: Actually, Kuroda has the same dark line under his eye as Gin does, now.
I'm still willing to dismiss that thing under Gin's eye as a shadow and not a mark like the Akai family eyes
It didn't even begin appearing regularly until Volume 24 (Reunion with the Black Organization),
and even in that case he only has in in 1/3rd of the panels he appears in for that case
Other people have had that shadow occasionally. as well as several people with glasses (like Okiya) and hats (not shown)
In addition, Kuroda doesn't always have that shadow under his eyes, he really only seems to have it in 913, 916, 917, and 921
Its virtually absent in 914 and 915, and doesn't come back in 916 until he leans down to talk to Conan, but after that it comes and goes
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Wakarimashita wrote:Mysterious eyes on the website...first Rum visual ?
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/922857Rum.png
Uchiha Shadow wrote: it might be that Gosho's comment of RUM appearing had a different meaning or that RUM has appeared while disguised, or the eyes belong to someone else.
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:It could very well be that these eyes are the eyes of a character who will only appear in this movie, disguise or otherwise.
I agree with DCU here. I don't think that this is Rum. If Gosho gave us a bunch of physical descriptions of Rum in the manga for the purpose of us trying to figure out who the character is for ourselves, it would seem really unlikely to just hand us something so unique about Rum so many months before the movie comes out or before the manga can further address Rum and his features. If someone were to appear in the manga with these eyes we would just go "oh, ok, thats Rum" and that would be it. Its just far more likely that this is some other Anime Original BO agent or unique interesting character that will serve as the main plot of the movie. I feel like its far more likely to be some other character who happens to have Heterochromia Iridum (two different colored eyes) regardless of whether they were obtained genetically or through injury of the eye.

Rum being a disguise character would be odd because as far as we are aware at this point there is no reason that he would have been in disguise. Out of the BO members that seem to even know about Rum, most of them seem to not even know what he looks like, so him appearing in disguise before them would be pointless. He could walk right in front of them and they wouldn't know. Plus, if he was a disguise character, then giving us physical descriptions would be even more pointless. For the Bourbon arc we got personality descriptions that described him as being detective-like. Following that we were introduced to Okiya the sherlockian, Scar Akai who is a people stalker and can solve a case by text message(red shirts case), Masumi a detective, and Amuro a private eye. Given that for Rum we got physical descriptions, we are bound to get tons of characters who fit those descriptions such as Yamato and Kuroda.
As I said they eyes could belong to someone else, and just like you said I guessed it could either be a movie only BO member or a character unrelated to the plot, but it just feels out of place to put eyes that belong to a non-BO related character in the middle of all these BO related characters, but then again, it might also be just a fake teaser like the past movies.
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Though we still can't say for sure that Gosho is not taking the next step in revealing new things through the movies like with M18! So anything is possible, including those eyes being RUM's!
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