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Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote:Also, don't forget the Gundam references throughout the series. Aoyama is clearly a Gundam fan and if Akai is based off of Char Aznable, there is a big chance he is Anokata.
If he is the boss, why did he ordered to kill kogoro and then save him? Why he faked his death and then approve Bourbon's mission? Why did he save Sherry from bourbon?
If he was anokata, why did he shoot his favorite? Why his favorite escaped from him? He can't send a message to vermouth in front of jodie.
On top of that why allow Akemi to be killed? Akai and Akemi truly seemed to care for one another. If Gin acted without orders by killing her, why has Gin not been punished? Why allow Conan allow Ai to go free and ruin the Organization missions? I don't think the boss would bother to set himself up as his own silver bullet and let himself be shot at by his own guys. Akai as the boss has the same feeling as Agasa being the boss, and we know Agasa is not the boss.

I can't find the exact quote (help me please!) but Conan makes a point somewhere in the Kir arc that there is no need to create an needlessly complex and emotional backstory if you are pretending to be someone you are not. (The quote was in the context of Eisuke crying about not being able to solve a case, and Conan thinking that was an indicator that he was not bad.)
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Gin is too useful to kill. Akai could've used Kogoro as camouflage. Akemi's death probably was an accident, as in Gin did it out of his own. He is a cold-blooded killer after all.

Also, remember how Jodie said that Akais informations about the BO always were reliable, but his sources unkown?
That's suspicious. He always has this mystery surrounding him. He seems like a good person, but at the same he doesn't and I don't think he tells/told Conan everything he knows.

Here are some informations about Char Aznable. I think a fair of his character traits could be applied to Akai:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CharClone
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Sorry to disappoint you, but from Gosho Aoyama's interviews, we can exclude Shuichi Akai:
The boss chooses alcoholic codenames for top Organization members, but doesn't have one himeself.
And Akai's codename used to by "Rye".
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Along with Gosho's interview, Akai as the boss doesn't make sense.

While Gin IS a cold-blooded killer, I think that he would seek approval for most murders unless it's on-the-spot, like when Shinichi spied on them and overheard their dealing. Shinichi was just a high school detective who knew too much; his death wouldn't be too large of a deal. Akemi, on the other hand, is a different story. She's the daughter of two well-respected but deceased BO members, as well as the older sister of a very important researcher. Additionally, rather than just a poison pill or shot to the head, her death involved a larger plan which involved robbing a bank and killing the accomplices, which is a rather large-scale plan to kill just one person. That's a lot of trouble and involves a certain amount of the BO's resources, and based on Gin's thoughts on Vermouth's own rogue activities, I doubt he would go through with such a large-scale plan without approval.

Additionally, it's strongly implied that Akai was fully aware of the plan—he received a text from Akemi the night before her death: "If I manage to leave the Organization after this, will you go out with me as a real boyfriend?" While it doesn't explicitly mention the plan, it at least suggests Akai knew something was up. If he were REALLY Anokata, he'd probably investigate.

Along with that, why would Akai allow Kir to rejoin the BO after confirming her status as a CIA agent, and then order her to kill him? There's really no justification for that. The most conceivable reason Anokata would join the FBI in the first place is to monitor their activity and knowledge of the BO. By having himself fake his death he removes that; even if he reinserted Kir as a double agent into the BO's ranks to compensate for that, Kir isn't in regular contact with others (CIA or FBI) and is also being monitored. Also, if he reinserted her just to have access to information on the CIA's knowledge, it would be more beneficial to reinsert her AND stay alive, so he would have intel on both the CIA and FBI. That's just a bit TOO much effort in my opinion. Additionally, there's the risk that she may learn some vital information and find a way to discreetly share it. It would be easier and safer to interrogate her about what the CIA knew (especially since he's now confirmed that her silent interrogation tape was faked) and then kill her, thus cutting off the CIA's information source and also allowing him to retain his status as a double agent in the FBI.

The final straw, though, is his time as Okiya. It's been shown that he genuinely cares for Ai and Conan, that he knows Ai's true identity as Sherry and that he's confirmed Conan to be Shinichi. If he were REALLY Anokata, he wouldn't keep up the ruse for this long and orchestrate their deaths. He's confirmed their identities and has a good idea of how much they know (especially if Conan kept him updated on BO events), so yeah, no need to keep them alive anymore. Or at least no need to keep Conan; based on Pisco's thoughts, the shrinking effects of the APTX 4968 are apparently in the right direction of whatever the drug was originally intended for, so he might have Ai be captured alive so she could continue. And while the Mystery Train arc involved an attempt to murder Sherry, he also actively worked against it, even appearing as Akai to Bourbon. Perhaps this WAS an elaborate ruse in order to protect Ai due to the mysterious "P.S." in Akemi's last text, but honestly, that's a bit too much. :P

In short: I just can't see Akai as Anokata. Too many things don't add up.
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True, many things don't add up...yet. We don't know much about Akai, do we ?

We really don't know what he thinks or does. Even Jodie and the FBI members don't. They all trust him, because he gets things done and seems to be on their side. Again, we don't know where Akai gets his informations, why he acts separately from the FBI, why he doesn't kill or capture BO members, even when he has had many chances to do so or what kind of change he experienced when Akemi died. I could be wrong, but you could too.

It also could be that the BO got out of control, which he realized with Akemis death and now he wants to stop it.

Akai being Anokata is a possibility, which I find very plausible and I won't let go of this thought until it is confirmed in the manga that Anokata is someone different.

Also, don't forget this is a mystery manga. You shouldn't believe everything the characters say about each other or what they say about themselves. And the more mysterious a character is (like Akai) the higher the chance is he has some dark secrets.

And about the codename. He used to have one, but doesn't anymore. Gosho never said Anokata never had one, so in present DC world Akai has no codename.
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Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote:True, many things don't add up...yet. We don't know much about Akai, do we ?

We really don't know what he thinks or does.
We do know quite a bit, especially after he became as Okiya. Even though he put on an act, you still have a pretty good look at his priorities and his personality. Ex. He is protective to the point of practically being a stalker, but doesn't like to actually jump in until a strongly dangerous situation arises. Assuming his mail PS came from Akemi, he is loyal to her every word, even after death. He is dedicated to his mission to the point of it being a character flaw, putting it before his love and happiness (the one who never smiles) and the happiness and psychological wellbeing of those he loves or wants to protect (Shiho, Akemi, Jodie, Masumi). Sacrificing himself and others for the mission is something he did as a spy in the BO and currently doing by playing dead to protect Kir's mission and watch Haibara (which he considers important enough to do and not tell his coworkers or his family about.) He tries (and most likely fails) to make up for this somewhat - mailing Masumi Jeet Kun Do videos for example. He also, like Conan, prefers to keep his secrets, even when they could help others because he is self-assured in his ability to act correctly and doesn't like to show his hand until he has all the cards.
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote: Again, we don't know where Akai gets his informations,
The important part is that he doesn't know anything he shouldn't, i.e all his mysterious info can come from non-BO info sources. When he picks Ethan Hondou out to be a CIA agent and Jodie and James don't know who he talked to figure this out, that doesn't imply a wicked source. More likely he has some friends in the other agency that could do him an unofficial favor.
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote:why he acts separately from the FBI
Because, like Conan, he is very self confident in his own ability. Virtually all the male detective-type characters do this type of thing (to the police, their girlfriends, etc.), not just Akai. The difference is Akai is older and has a job.
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote:why he doesn't kill or capture BO members even when he has had many chances to do so
He had good reasons/situations not to.
• Camel wrecked his original plan to catch Gin.
• In New York, Vermouth was disguised when he shot her, so it isn't clear if he knew who she was at the time of the action.
• He disables Calvados, removes all the weapons he can find on him, and rushes to Jodie's aid in the span of Vermouth yelling a few sentences about how Ran should get off of Shiho.
• He non-lethally fires on Vermouth, and Jodie explicitly says she needs to be left alive so she can be interrogated. Akai didn't expect her to be so strong (he was impressed at her endurance later) and didn't want to fire on her while Conan, Ran, and Haibara were also in his line of fire.
• He lets Gin and the rest of the BO go after taking out Conan's transmitter because he was pretty sure that a gunbattle would erupt if he killed Gin or one of the others. Jodie asks why Akai didn't disable a few of the BO for capture in the chapter's final pages and then agrees with Shuu's judgement after he explains it.
• He tries to catch Rikumichi, but Rikumichi suicides to avoid capture.
• As Okiya, he can't capture Bourbon or Vermouth because there no way to do so safely in a public/closed off environment.

In short, Akai is victim of Gosho blocking plot advancement by not allowing him to capture anyone that would know useful info. It's the same reason Conan can't ever catch any BO, and Haibara will never progress out of the doesn't-trust-Conan-enough-to-tell-him-anything-useful stage despite them working together nearly flawlessly on every other topic.
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote: or what kind of change he experienced when Akemi died.
He became more closed off in James's words, not surprising because he truly loved Akemi and failed to protect her when it counted (because he put his mission ahead of her interests and happiness.). Imagine how Conan would act if he lost Ran to the BO.
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote:I could be wrong, but you could too.
Not being snarky, but trying to evaluate a character's allegiance by examining their motives and actions to see if they are consistent with a particular allignment is a tried and true strategy. All the major plot arc have relied heavily on this type of evidence. Gosho tries to hide these clues beneath a veneer of suspicious expressions and sketchy talk, but it all works out in the end. Relying on hunches is a trap because it distracts from proper unemotional analysis of the facts at hand.

I can't emphasize this enough: Gosho's personal rule for mystery writing is that a character's actions are always consistent with their motives, allegiance, and personality. Therefore you can work backwards from observed action to deduce motives, allegiance, and personality. Virtually nobody ever does anything for the hell of it; Gosho says in an interview that he wants every criminal to have a reason for acting, not just because.

Gosho doesn't have his characters enact complex gambits (like the boss pretending to be an FBI agent) for the sake of having complex gambits because it is more mysterious/harder to solve/twisty/would shock the fans. There is always a reason, or a personality, that motivates these gambits. That means you can take information about people's personality and motives and use it to deduce if they are likely to be pulling the strings behind a gambit.

We know from Vermouth, who has no particular reason to lie about it, that the boss is cautious to a fault. Does that mesh with Akai's attacks on the Organization and its members, and failure to address threats like Conan and Haibara? We also know the BO connections to an experiment related to APTX that is over 50 years old; given the current plot about Akai's family which will probably lead to info about his past, how does the Organization's timeline line up with Akai's? The boss thought Shuichi Akai could become the Black Organization’s silver bullet.(434) Why would hypothetical boss-Akai make this sort of pronouncement and draw more-than-necessary attention to himself from his Organization that wants to kill him? Assuming hypothetical-boss Akai is in the FBI in order to spy on potential enemies, why would he bother to distinguish himself that much vs just do enough so he in on the FBI's anti Org team?

Of course Gosho chooses personalities and situations that are gambit fertile; ex: way too many characters have personalities that cause them to keep secrets from one another when talking it out would really help.
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote: It also could be that the BO got out of control, which he realized with Akemis death and now he wants to stop it.
What's the evidence for this? Certain people do act on their own and cause trouble, but I don't think that's a sign of the boss losing control. I think the boss was never in complete control of his Organization in the first place because it is made up of characters that resist control. (The average deferential salaryman isn't going to be drawn into BO type work.) That said, Gin is one of the few characters that obeys the boss regularly, who also tries to do what the boss would order even when acting on his own. If anyone is going to kill someone like Akemi unexpectedly, Gin is the least likely to do so.
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote: Akai being Anokata is a possibility, which I find very plausible and I won't let go of this thought until it is confirmed in the manga that Anokata is someone different.
I think it's best to consider data from multiple points of view, not get too attached to any one theory, and always be prepared to reexamine your reasoning. When we first found out that Akai had a brother, the first thing I did was re-evaluate the evidence about Okiya to see if he could have been the brother the whole time.
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote: Also, don't forget this is a mystery manga. You shouldn't believe everything the characters say about each other or what they say about themselves. And the more mysterious a character is (like Akai) the higher the chance is he has some dark secrets.
A lot of what we know about Akai doesn't come from his mouth because he isn't very talkative, but from observing how he acts and the testimony of Jodie and James. Virtually all the info I put in the above paragraph about his personality comes from what other people said about Akai and what his actions say about him.

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I'm with Chekhov on this one. I'm willing to consider any theory put forward, and I can see why you might suspect Akai as the Boss, but the theory just doesn't stand up to the evidence we have, which Chek has already presented so I won't repeat what she's already said.

I do want to bring up my own thoughts on the idea though. Particuarly the absurdity of the notion of the Boss infiltrating the FBI only to then infiltrate his own organization, and then ordering his own death so he can fake his death and change his identity to hide from his own organization, merely so he can shield a traitor to said organization while both the BO and FBI believe him dead thus rendering the whole plan entirely moot.

The Boss may be careful to the point of threatening the integrity of the plan, but going that far just to neuter his own position as double-agent would be insane. Not to mention pointless. The one thing we know about the Boss is that he never does anything directly. If he wanted to spy on the FBI he'd have sent someone else to do it for him. He'd never do it himself. Besides, not even Gosho would be that needlessly convoluted.
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Funnily enough, Citan's post is essentially the jist I was getting at. People always seem to be better at wording stuff in a short orderly way than I am... I should work on that. ^^;

Anyways, I've been working on my own theory. I haven't had much time to think about it too much (according to the draft I saved originally it occurred to me in September), but I have given it a bit of thought, and all I can say for sure is that this is either absolutely crazy or right (though I'll be honest, the "crazy" part is more likely).

One of the theories is that Sharon's dead "husband" is the boss, who faked his death. But if that were the case, why go through the trouble of faking his death? If it was to make Chris's existence less controversial in media (as in not a lovechild/affair/single-parent or anything), she could have come up with plenty of other excuses, such as a brief "Hollywood-length" marriage which broke up before knowing she was pregnant (which is honestly perfectly believable, as some celebrity marriages don't last even six months; many celebrities even go to great lengths to hide any sign of a relationship), or artificial insemination. Also, the boss doesn't seem like the kind of person to want any attention, even as a fictional corpse. And considering this fictional corpse would be the husband of a popular Hollywood actress, the idea is even less enticing.

In any event, though, the death of Sharon's husband is still a pretty unusual and important aspect to consider. Conan's stated it himself before: there's no reason to go that far for a backstory. In this case, that's especially true because this husband wasn't even part of the picture at the start. While I'm sure there are plenty of explanations for her husband, one in particular comes to mind:

Sharon's dead husband WAS the boss—and he actually died.

The organization is proven to be pretty old, as is Vermouth. Unless the boss also shares the mysterious rejuvenation properties Vermouth possesses, then it's not that far-fetched for him to die. And since no one ever sees him, it wouldn't be surprising if no one knew about it and the BO just quietly switched bosses. However, if he and Vermouth were more than just physical lovers—as in, actually in love (though not necessarily married)—she may have wanted to mourn him publicly as well. As such, it was arranged to have a "funeral" for him as her husband after his death (either arranged beforehand by both of them, or just Vermouth), thus allowing her to mourn him properly in public.

This change in leadership could also help account for Vermouth's hinted dissatisfaction with the current nature of the organization: the new boss could have different ideals from the previous one. As such, the organization itself started to change, but I imagine it would have been gradual rather than something sudden. The most commonly proposed goals for the Organization involve immortality and reversing/stopping aging, and those two goals could actually go either way (evil or good), so it's not too far-fetched to think that the alignment would shift under new management. This could disillusion her about the organization's current state and its future, and her encounter with Ran and Shinichi in New York further reminded her of its past ideals. As for why it took them to trigger that realization, it could be because she'd been trying to ignore it. Why?

I think Anokata is actually the son of the old boss and Vermouth.

This would actually explain a lot:
-Vermouth is stated to be Anokata's favorite, which makes sense if she's his mother.
-"Nanatsu no ko" could have a sentimental value as the lullaby used to sing to the child.
-Conversely, if Vermouth's rejuvenation is a biological thing, the son could inherit it in a way and appear to be seven.
-As stated above, it also serves to identify Sharon's "husband".
-Depending on their age, the new boss might put more trust in people he respects or admires, such as Gin's loyalty and Amuro's intelligence. Of course, though, it's hard to predict how old Vermouth's son would be since her age is unknown and she apparently doesn't age. It was suggested that at least ten years passed since "Sharon" last saw "Chris" after mentioning the grave incident, though, so there's that to consider.
-Despite being described as cautious to a fault, several of his plans have failed or backfired; likewise, he's codenamed two double agents, one of them almost overnight (Kir, due to the "interrogation" recording). For someone who's overly cautious, that's a pretty big move and I'd expect far more background investigations on potential codenamed agents (especially Kir, who, again, had only been part of the Org for like 24 hours when the event that initiated her promotion occurred). This could suggest that Anokata isn't 100% used to running the organization; he could be relatively new to the position, and choose to codename agents who could likely have strong leadership positions and help maintain control.
-Also, if it's her son, this could help explain why Vermouth is just passively standing by despite her apparent displeasure with the Org's current state: though she wants it gone, she also doesn't want to get on her son's bad side. As such, she's choosing to do nothing: she's just standing around, never going out of her way to do anything that would seriously aid or obstruct either side (aside from protecting Conan and Ran, and also not telling the BO that Ai was still alive, but that still falls under "doing nothing" in my book since technically she really DID nothing), instead passively waiting for its destruction.
-Even if the current boss isn't actually Vermouth's son, she could have been his father's lover/mistress and she could have formed a close, family-like bond with him.

This theory is still pretty rough and mostly just a thought, but it would answer a few questions, and it also provides an interesting twist in my opinion. Who knows?
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Interesting idea Fennec. I've been toying with the idea that the Boss is a relation to Vermouth myself, though I never considered the idea of her having a son. However, I do have one teensy problem with your theory. It's not anything that shoots it down completely, but it's just something that sticks in my mind when I consider your idea. Something I just can't square away. The message she received from the Boss after the confrontation with Sherry. "It looks like I have given you too much freedom. Come back to my side, Vermouth."

When I read that line it doesn't seem to mesh with your theory to me. The way it's worded "come back to my side" is very specific and vaguely erotic. Notice he didn't tell Vermouth just to "come back" or to "Report in". He said "come back to my side". That, to me, is not a son addressing his mother. Nor an inexperienced Boss reigning in a disobedient subordinate. That is a directive from a Boss confident enough in his authority over Vermouth to give her great freedom, and to make her heel if she goes to far. Someone who has enough trust in her to let her do mostly as she pleases, and who views her as belonging specifically at his side. That sounds to me like Vermouth has a more... mature relationship with this person. Like a lover or a spouse. Definitely not mother and son.

As I said, this doesn't prove anything. It's just something that sticks out to me. Something I can't get myself past when I consider your theory. I'd like to hear your thoughts about it.
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Hmm, I'd kind of missed the sexual undertones of the text. However, that can still easily be explained. Keep in mind my last point:
Fennec wrote: -Even if the current boss isn't actually Vermouth's son, she could have been his father's lover/mistress and she could have formed a close, family-like bond with him.
The main point of my theory is that the current Anokata is the son of the old boss, who was Vermouth's lover and Sharon's dead "husband". That doesn't require blood relation. In fact, I don't even know if it's possible for her to have kids with her body. Most women lose the ability to bear children around 50ish, but Vermouth's age is a complete mystery, and we can't tell if her body responds to her true age or the body's physical age. As such, there's a good chance that she's infertile, so if Anokata had a child at some point—whether before or after they started their relationship—it wouldn't be too unlikely for her to grow motherly feelings for the child. Even if her feelings weren't motherly, she would still at least greatly respect and care for him since he was her lover's child.

However, that doesn't mean that the feelings were reciprocated in the same way. As Anokata Jr. matured, he could have developed more romantic feelings for Vermouth. She's a pretty woman, and the kid had to go through puberty at some point (unless he still looks seven like some theories believe, but man, if my theory about their relation is wrong that would be honestly kind of disturbing since the leading alternative theory is the sexual/romantic relations heavily implied in the manga). Even if he was already an adult when Vermouth and Anokata Sr. started seeing each other, he could still have feelings for her but keep them to himself until after his father died. Of course, she wouldn't reciprocate these feelings for many, many reasons, but he could still send her texts or try to flirt.

While it would be kind of creepy if she saw him as an adult, most likely she still compares him to Anokata, Sr., and thus still sees him as a bit of a child (in the romance/sexual aspect, at least) and brushes off his advances without much thought, like the way a babysitter or neighbor deals with a crush from a little kid. But again, she'd still have great respect for him. Plenty of characters trust and respect Conan's judgment even though they view him as a kid; you don't need to see someone as an adult in a sexual aspect to greatly respect someone.

Alternatively, the sexual undertones of the text could be a red herring or unintentional. "Come back to my side" could suggest that she's his right-hand person rather than a lover. And again, she'd still have great respect for him as the boss's son (and possibly her own).

As I said, though, this theory is still really rough. It needs a LOT of work before it can be considered a solid possibility.
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Well, I think we can agree at least that if Akai isn't the boss it's sure someone who already has had appearances in the series, maybe even someone who has an important role and when you look at how many twists and turns this series throws at the reader I'm sure Anokatas identity will be a twist as well, like the reveal of Kir being a CIA member, but in a much bigger scale of course. I just can't imagine Anokata being someone appearing suddenly for the first time in the last chapters. That wouldn't fit in this series in my opinion.

I actually have more arguments about Akai possibly being Anokata and if you want to hear them I could write them here some time in the future.
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Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote:It's sure someone who already has had appearances in the series
I don't agree! :P
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote:I just can't imagine Anokata being someone appearing suddenly for the first time in the last chapters. That wouldn't fit in this series in my opinion.
My current favorite theory with no evidence to support it whatsoever is that the boss has been stuck in the body of a child for 50 some-odd years due to an accident/experiment/miscalculation that also caused Vermouth to stop aging too. He doesn't let anyone see him or hear his voice (besides Vermouth) because it would undermine his authority. The FBI and CIA can't pin him down because no one expects a child mastermind. It would be a pretty damn cool twist and a great final opponent for Conan because he has to trap a mirror of himself in a way that convinces adults, only his doppelganger has decades of experience and the force of the Organization to back him.
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote: I actually have more arguments about Akai possibly being Anokata and if you want to hear them I could write them here some time in the future.
Why not post them? It's been nice going back and forth with you. You haven't chickened out or emotionally blown up to the criticism, which makes you cool IMO.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote:It's sure someone who already has had appearances in the series
I don't agree! :P
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote:I just can't imagine Anokata being someone appearing suddenly for the first time in the last chapters. That wouldn't fit in this series in my opinion.
My current favorite theory with no evidence to support it whatsoever is that the boss has been stuck in the body of a child for 50 some-odd years due to an accident/experiment/miscalculation that also caused Vermouth to stop aging too. He doesn't let anyone see him or hear his voice (besides Vermouth) because it would undermine his authority. The FBI and CIA can't pin him down because no one expects a child mastermind. It would be a pretty damn cool twist and a great final opponent for Conan because he has to trap a mirror of himself in a way that convinces adults, only his doppelganger has decades of experience and the force of the Organization to back him.
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote: I actually have more arguments about Akai possibly being Anokata and if you want to hear them I could write them here some time in the future.
Why not post them? It's been nice going back and forth with you. You haven't chickened out or emotionally blown up to the criticism, which makes you cool IMO.
interresting theory !! so at that point it might be funny if he/she actually in conan's classroom like maria higashio or takuma (just a mere exemple asthey both appear quite late after gosho said the name appeared )
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makoto wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote:It's sure someone who already has had appearances in the series
I don't agree! :P
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote:I just can't imagine Anokata being someone appearing suddenly for the first time in the last chapters. That wouldn't fit in this series in my opinion.
My current favorite theory with no evidence to support it whatsoever is that the boss has been stuck in the body of a child for 50 some-odd years due to an accident/experiment/miscalculation that also caused Vermouth to stop aging too. He doesn't let anyone see him or hear his voice (besides Vermouth) because it would undermine his authority. The FBI and CIA can't pin him down because no one expects a child mastermind. It would be a pretty damn cool twist and a great final opponent for Conan because he has to trap a mirror of himself in a way that convinces adults, only his doppelganger has decades of experience and the force of the Organization to back him.
Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko wrote: I actually have more arguments about Akai possibly being Anokata and if you want to hear them I could write them here some time in the future.
Why not post them? It's been nice going back and forth with you. You haven't chickened out or emotionally blown up to the criticism, which makes you cool IMO.
interresting theory !! so at that point it might be funny if he/she actually in conan's classroom like maria higashio or takuma (just a mere exemple asthey both appear quite late after gosho said the name appeared )
I made a small section for in personal opinions about the boss under Chek's theories if you want to read more of it. It goes along the lines of the boss had the accident, is stuck as a kid, but, like Conan, has someone he loves who is aging without him (Boss's Ran equivalent). He wants APTX, or something similar, to dose his girlfriend with before she dies so they can be together. Again though, while I try to make it line up with what we know about the boss, it's not a serious theory in that it doesn't have any particular evidence to support it. It's just the sort of story I think Gosho would write.
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Re: Anokata theory: The boss may be...

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I just thought to give this link to this old topic for those who are new:


viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2745&hilit=Yoko+Okino&start=15

It is a comprehensive discussion about the possibility of Yoko being the boss
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