Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

[Midi]

Thank you, ShinRan4ver and User 4869! But that still leaves me biting my lip about

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the whole infiltration. Why did he do it? Why there? If he is a detective, then him being there is not a coincidence. Something led him there... buy what?

That is why I think we are seriously not done with Bourbon, at all. We can't really be... too much left hanging.

[yamiangie]

Poor Jii (Kid's accomplice). He's either still pretending to be the old lady without a maid or now back to his 'normal' self. Either way, he's got some explaining to do.


I kinda wonder how Kaito's gunna give that phone back to Conan. Is he just gunna slip it in the mail slot, or make up a disguise and knock on the door. Should be interesting. XD

Jii took the makeup off you can see him in a panel Vermouth is in on the last page.  I'm sure he can slip past the guards Kaito wouldn't abandon him to get caught.

[User 4869]

Thank you, ShinRan4ver and User 4869! But that still leaves me biting my lip about

Spoiler:

the whole infiltration. Why did he do it? Why there? If he is a detective, then him being there is not a coincidence. Something led him there... buy what?

That is why I think we are seriously not done with Bourbon, at all. We can't really be... too much left hanging.

This explain why "Scar Akai" interest in Mouri. Since Scar Akai is Amuro. His reason is the same
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... _a_traitor


To put it simply, Bourbon mission is to reaffirm Akai is dead. If Akai is alive, Kir must be a traitor. Kogoro might be Kir's contact. Amuro investigates him




Edit: another point not direct related

If someone wonder what lead left for Amuro to investigates further about Kogoro. Remember Sonoci's theory about Amuro thinks "Agasa" the Detective Boys mention to him is "the one who come to save Conan from kidnapper (That's Okiya)". Amuro might caught a glimps of him when Okiya lean out to shoot the tire.

[sstimson]

Spoiler:

Finally, Gin and Vodka are back!!!

Sera wore back her uniform from her debut, Haibara did not have much reaction when she saw Sera, so Haibara never meet Sera, even Sera Masumi is not her real name.

I doubt that person with scar is not Scar Akai as his scar on the face is bigger than usual and even changed his cap and jacket. The speculation that there is more than 1 person disguised as Scar Akai is getting bigger.

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Yeah we were talking about that in the spoiler Cbox, and it definitely looks different

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I say three have done it now .Last one was KID. Vermouth before than, then Bourbon

[Kor]

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Which brought another disturbing thought. Bourbon, AKA Amuro, does not know that his cover at the detective agency has been blown. Why should he? He assumed he was in the train car with Sherry, who is now dead. This brought me to another thought; if his mission was to eliminate Sherry, it is completed now, and he no longer needs to remain where he is. However, if he was there for other reasons, he doesn't know he's been outed, and needs to clear out.

Which brought me to the disturbing thought: If Amuro was charged with eliminating Sherry, why did he infiltrate the Mouri Agency? Forgive me, I have a terrible memory and may have forgotten something that has already answered this, but WHY did Bourbon infiltrate the Mouri agency on his hunt for Sherry? What was the link he found that led him there?

http://www.dctp.ws/V60-Reader/V60-3Read/A4.html
Checking their word, It seem Kir never say Bourbon's out for Sherry. Seem like Jodie and Conan just assume thing(Kir never heard of Haibara to begin with). And judge by Vermouth word that the plan was "to be double sure". I think it has to do with Akai's death more than anything else

No. Investigating Akai's death was probably just something he took on himself due to his hatred for Akai and his disbelief that he's really dead (Gin and co didn't know he was disguising as Akai). Searching for Sherry was likely the official task he got, and that's eventually what he managed to do.

[MagicianUndertheMoonlight]

Akai shouldn't have shown up to Bourbon because his being alive will put Kir in danger.

I thought about that but I think the reason he showed himself was to try to prevent Amuro from suspecting involvement by Mouri or Conan. He threw the grenade as a distraction so that Kid could escape from the holding carriage. If Amuro did not see who threw the grenade, it would be apparent that Shiho had an accomplice. This would have led Amuro to be more suspicious of Conan's party. By revealing himself, he gives Amuro no reason to suspect an accomplice other than him who has already been declared dead.

Amuro wouldn't go to the BO without proof Akai was alive, so now his investigation will be focused on Akai, which gives Conan and Okiya (Akai) the upper hand at staging another confrontation. This prevents Kir from being jeopardized for the moment. I think Akai stole the outfit Amuro and Vermouth used to create Scar Akai to make his appearance even more dubious.

On a side note, since Amuro knows what Shiho looks like, it's going to be really awkward going forward trying to keep Amuro from meeting Ai. I think they have to get Amuro out of Mouri's office for it not to get comical.

I'm also curious if this gives evidence of the childhood friend angle with Amuro and Akemi that Akai as Moroboshi Dai interrupted. Amuro said he knew Akemi, as well as both Miyano parents. Since Shiho's parents are dead, this probably puts the time period around when Shiho was studying in the US as a child, since she did not know and never met Amuro despite him knowing Akemi.

[El Huesudo II]

To put it simply, Bourbon mission is to reaffirm Akai is dead. If Akai is alive, Kir must be a traitor.

Bourbon's mission was to capture/kill Sherry, not reaffirm that Akai was dead.

Bourbon thought Akai couldn't have died at Raiha Pass ever since he got wind of what happened, and by that logic, it would mean that he thinks there's a high chance that Kir is a traitor.

Akai showing himself to Bourbon simply reaffirmed Bourbon's original suspicions, Kir is in the same amount of danger now than she was before.

[Wakarimashita]

This file was bad and anti-climatic. There was some potential for some not too lame character development or some interesting interactions but instead we get Kid (sic) coming out of nowhere to help. The fact that Conan actually bothers to ask someone whom he rightfully considers as a criminal to help is lame and it will make all their potential further confrontations seem dull and silly. I also didn't like the way Gin was handled in this file (and the entire case, in fact).

I was quite critical about Haibara becoming Shiho twice in 2 cases but at the end I think it would have still been better than what we got. Of two evils, choose the least, as they say.

[MagicianUndertheMoonlight]

This file was bad and anti-climatic. There was some potential for some not too lame character development or some interesting interactions but instead we get Kid (sic) coming out of nowhere to help. The fact that Conan actually bothers to ask someone whom he rightfully considers as a criminal to help is lame and it will make all their potential further confrontations seem dull and silly. I also didn't like the way Gin was handled in this file (and the entire case, in fact).

I agree. I thought the whole chapter was clumsily done and Amuro comes off as unimpressive to the point he had to explain himself in dialogue to Shiho since everything he'd done up till now wasn't coming out organically. Plus there's a lot of aftermath that's really swept under the rug for now.

[Wakarimashita]

This file was bad and anti-climatic. There was some potential for some not too lame character development or some interesting interactions but instead we get Kid (sic) coming out of nowhere to help. The fact that Conan actually bothers to ask someone whom he rightfully considers as a criminal to help is lame and it will make all their potential further confrontations seem dull and silly. I also didn't like the way Gin was handled in this file (and the entire case, in fact).

I agree. I thought the whole chapter was clumsily done and Amuro comes off as unimpressive to the point he had to explain himself in dialogue to Shiho since everything he'd done up till now wasn't coming out organically. Plus there's a lot of aftermath that's really swept under the rug for now.

Yep. I forgot about Amuro in my post but you're perfectly right when you mention how this file makes him look like a ridiculous foe more than anything else. He is far from standing up to the reputation which Gosho had carefully built through the description made of him by other characters (like Gin).

[MagicianUndertheMoonlight]

This file was bad and anti-climatic. There was some potential for some not too lame character development or some interesting interactions but instead we get Kid (sic) coming out of nowhere to help. The fact that Conan actually bothers to ask someone whom he rightfully considers as a criminal to help is lame and it will make all their potential further confrontations seem dull and silly. I also didn't like the way Gin was handled in this file (and the entire case, in fact).

I agree. I thought the whole chapter was clumsily done and Amuro comes off as unimpressive to the point he had to explain himself in dialogue to Shiho since everything he'd done up till now wasn't coming out organically. Plus there's a lot of aftermath that's really swept under the rug for now.

Yep. I forgot about Amuro in my post but you're perfectly right when you mention how this file makes him look like a ridiculous foe more than anything else. He is far from standing up to the reputation which Gosho had carefully built through the description made of him by other characters (like Gin).

I think Gosho's whole "Who is it?" game he's been playing with Okiya, Sera, and Amuro led to the villain fail. The whole file Gosho couldn't show Amuro as doing anything that could be construed as out of the ordinary (hence the texting game he played) to give away he was Bourbon, so Vermouth took point on the Shiho extraction mission. The end result is it looks like Amuro was waiting in a carriage for the go sign from Vermouth and then he's just the henchman finishing the job.

Plus when Amuro introduced himself as Bourbon, he did nothing like his own deduction show that Conan does to at least suggest he's a dangerous foe as a "detective" for the BO.

[El Huesudo II]

On a side note, since Amuro knows what Shiho looks like, it's going to be really awkward going forward trying to keep Amuro from meeting Ai. I think they have to get Amuro out of Mouri's office for it not to get comical.

But DC is part comedy show. Comical situations fit it greatly.

There was some potential for some not too lame character development or some interesting interactions but instead we get Kid (sic) coming out of nowhere to help. The fact that Conan actually bothers to ask someone whom he rightfully considers as a criminal to help is lame and it will make all their potential further confrontations seem dull and silly.

Conan may consider Kid a criminal, but he doesn't think he's bad. Kid is a gentleman thief (more thief than gentleman, yeah, but still) and he's shown tendencies uncharacteristic to a criminal (such as refraining from stealing the target if it isn't Pandora, and also refraining from harming any of the involved); so I'd safely say Conan could convince him of helping out in exchange of ensuring his escape (and well, it's not like Conan can arrest Kid or anything, anyway. LOL)

And, well, both Conan and Kid are heroic characters, anyway.

[MagicianUndertheMoonlight]

On a side note, since Amuro knows what Shiho looks like, it's going to be really awkward going forward trying to keep Amuro from meeting Ai. I think they have to get Amuro out of Mouri's office for it not to get comical.

But DC is part comedy show. Comical situations fit it greatly.

There was some potential for some not too lame character development or some interesting interactions but instead we get Kid (sic) coming out of nowhere to help. The fact that Conan actually bothers to ask someone whom he rightfully considers as a criminal to help is lame and it will make all their potential further confrontations seem dull and silly.

Conan may consider Kid a criminal, but he doesn't think he's bad. Kid is a gentleman thief (more thief than gentleman, yeah, but still) and he's shown tendencies uncharacteristic to a criminal (such as refraining from stealing the target if it isn't Pandora, and also refraining from harming any of the involved); so I'd safely say Conan could convince him of helping out in exchange of ensuring his escape (and well, it's not like Conan can arrest Kid or anything, anyway. LOL)

And, well, both Conan and Kid are heroic characters, anyway.

That's true but I think it'd just get really awkward to have Amuro around thinking he's watching everyone while everyone's watching him. I''m sure he'll stick around for now, though I'd prefer he leave Mouri's agency and just show up like Sera does instead.

Well, I think Kid as a gentleman thief is based off of Maurice Leblanc's Arsene Lupin, and Lupin turned to a good guy detective in the end. Perhaps this suggests a direction for the Conan / Kid relationship going forward.

[Wakarimashita]

On a side note, since Amuro knows what Shiho looks like, it's going to be really awkward going forward trying to keep Amuro from meeting Ai. I think they have to get Amuro out of Mouri's office for it not to get comical.

But DC is part comedy show. Comical situations fit it greatly.

There was some potential for some not too lame character development or some interesting interactions but instead we get Kid (sic) coming out of nowhere to help. The fact that Conan actually bothers to ask someone whom he rightfully considers as a criminal to help is lame and it will make all their potential further confrontations seem dull and silly.

Conan may consider Kid a criminal, but he doesn't think he's bad. Kid is a gentleman thief (more thief than gentleman, yeah, but still) and he's shown tendencies uncharacteristic to a criminal (such as refraining from stealing the target if it isn't Pandora, and also refraining from harming any of the involved); so I'd safely say Conan could convince him of helping out in exchange of ensuring his escape (and well, it's not like Conan can arrest Kid or anything, anyway. LOL)

And, well, both Conan and Kid are heroic characters, anyway.

Chapter 159 - Conan says : '[...] by sending you to a graveyeard called prison'. He might not think he's bad but that's not really the point. Now I know that Kid can't be caught since he's the hero of the MK manga and Gosho's heroes don't lose but there is a difference between that and asking for Conan not to work with someone who he has been competing against and considered a criminal for 75+ volumes. Up until now, he has let him go on a few occasions but he hasn't worked with him hand in hand and I think it's a bad thing for consistency regarding Conan's character that he suddenly has. A terrible move on Gosho's part IMO.

[ThatPerson]

The two biggest revelations were just a little dull (to me anyway). Akai foolishly shows himself to bourbon for a reason I hope is explained soon. I know Amuro didn't see him but the whole event did cause Amuro to look into Akai's death again and will most likely cause him to figure out he's still alive.

Amuro's entire thing here just seemed so silly it came off as a joke. He told Haibara everything without her asking a question, completely deviating from how it usually happens (Conan usually breaks down what he knows while providing proof, to which the culprit agrees with and sometimes adds their own tidbits). Then the whole Scar Akai apart of the story gets brought up quick and tossed aside just as fast.

I usually enjoy the cases where we know who the killer is and then must figure out the proof along with Conan, but I never thought that would happen with the plot. Maybe it will turn out better than I think...