Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

[Tenken]

Is the next chapter B.O.-related?

[alicetama]

Is the next chapter B.O.-related?

I dunno. For all we know, it could be another DB BBQ all over again. (And as I've said in the spoiler box, Gosho if you do that I will end you. )

[El Huesudo II]

Even if the next chapter is not BO (which is highly likely, this arc's gotta have denouement sometime), it won't lack its good part of discussing what happened during the Mystery Train arc, not to mention follow up on the last part's revelations.

That's pretty much what has happened the entire work, a big arc is usually followed up by a bunch of unrelated cases which include discussion about the big arc and its aftermath. Remember Eisuke mentioning the FBI being all tense as if someone had died, and Conan going "Oh, that's OK"? Remember all the mentions of the Nanatsu no Ko dial number after it was revealed that's that man's phone number? Yeah. That kind of discussion.

I wouldn't be surprised if the next case is non-BO. I wouldn't complain either! Too much BO would rob the tension out of the BO cases.

[AP24]

Spoiler:

It finally happened!! Many chapters ago it was revealed that Vermouth, Yukiko and KID learned their disguise technique from the same person (KID's father). Finally, they all appeared in the same chapter though it's too bad they all never got to meet each other. This chapter was more like a battle of who had the best disguise.

[Battler]

lol, i knew it!!!

Spoiler:

there was kid in this chapter, what i wasn't expecting is that he would be forced to impersonate Shiho XD
i think the akai we saw throwing the grenade was the real one, so this means he survived a headshot and an'explosion without a single scratch
useless enough to say that akai=okiya is sure at 99.9% and he is being helped by yukiko with the disguise
soooo, next chapter we will probably see Haibara that gets mad with conan and tries to meet with okiya, some DB and maybe the start of the real kid's case (but only if we are lucky...)

[milk_hater]

I really wanted to know what was gunna happen so I tracked down the raw for the next chapter.... I couldn't really understand everything that was going on since my Japanese consists of stuff I learnt from animes and what I learnt in my Japanese language class (which is VERY basic), but I understood enough to know that there's gunna be mixed reactions with this chapter.

I liked it. It seems like a good ending to the arc, but that could all change when the translation comes out and I get the full story.

I also burst out laughing as soon as I saw a certain speech bubble with certain set of kanji in it.... my laugh creeped out my younger sister a little... (she doesn't appreciate manga like I do) XD

[El Huesudo II]

So.

Checked the raw out.

MAAAAANNNNNNNNNN.

Talk about a mixture of expected and unexpected.

Spoiler:

Having Kaito Kid disguise as Shiho? LOL. Aoyama-sensei, are you finally deciding to intertwine both works?

Also WTF, now Kaito and Conan have each other's phone number. Can't wait to see what the fangirls do with this little bone they've been thrown.

Vermouth's face as she realizes she got served is also brilliant. Also hell yes Yukiko, you are awesome.

As for the rest of it, it seems the Bourbon arc is far from over. But now that the cats are all out of the bag and everyone's identities are confirmed (damn you Chek, you're the best), I can bet their next encounter will be the last.

Also: Is Aoyama-sensei watching too much his franchise's movies lately? Because hell yeah huge explosion. That's good, sensei, that's good. Keep walking the path of the over-the-top.

[neil0604]

On the other hand......

Spoiler:

I wonder what will happen to Amuro now since he's cover has already been blown by Kid. It is sure Kid has told Conan about Bourbon. Will he just vanish and leave Kogorou wondering where he went or show himself to him? And how the hell did Amuro join BO, we all knew that he was once on the good side of the force, almost being an officer and stuff.

[El Huesudo II]

On the other hand......

Spoiler:

I wonder what will happen to Amuro now since he's cover has already been blown by Kid. It is sure Kid has told Conan about Bourbon. Will he just vanish and leave Kogorou wondering where he went or show himself to him? And how the hell did Amuro join BO, we all knew that he was once on the good side of the force, almost being an officer and stuff.

Spoiler:

It depends on what Conan and Bourbon want to do, really.

It doesn't seem like Bourbon's identity has been officially outed to everyone yet, and unless Vermouth filled Bourbon in on every tiny detail (which I doubt), Bourbon shouldn't know who's the one going after the BO. So unless he wants to be cautious and keep a low profile, he shouldn't feel like he needs to disappear.

On the other hand, there's Conan. Keeping a BO agent that close is way too dangerous, if not for him, for Haibara. There's the risk that somehow, someday, Amuro and Haibara meet and he puts 2 and 2 together. That would pretty much spell disaster for any/every one of them.

Though, as of what could Conan do to influence Bourbon's actions without revealing himself, I got nothing.

As for Amuro's connection to the MPD... Well that just makes it interesting. What are Amuro's feelings? Where exactly are his loyalties? What are his intentions towards the BO and the case? I suppose it's a matter of time, and more files, until we know more about the guy (right now he's pretty much a new character, after all).

[neil0604]

On the other hand......

Spoiler:

I wonder what will happen to Amuro now since he's cover has already been blown by Kid. It is sure Kid has told Conan about Bourbon. Will he just vanish and leave Kogorou wondering where he went or show himself to him? And how the hell did Amuro join BO, we all knew that he was once on the good side of the force, almost being an officer and stuff.

Spoiler:

It depends on what Conan and Bourbon want to do, really.

It doesn't seem like Bourbon's identity has been officially outed to everyone yet, and unless Vermouth filled Bourbon in on every tiny detail (which I doubt), Bourbon shouldn't know who's the one going after the BO. So unless he wants to be cautious and keep a low profile, he shouldn't feel like he needs to disappear.

On the other hand, there's Conan. Keeping a BO agent that close is way too dangerous, if not for him, for Haibara. There's the risk that somehow, someday, Amuro and Haibara meet and he puts 2 and 2 together. That would pretty much spell disaster for any/every one of them.

Though, as of what could Conan do to influence Bourbon's actions without revealing himself, I got nothing.

As for Amuro's connection to the MPD... Well that just makes it interesting. What are Amuro's feelings? Where exactly are his loyalties? What are his intentions towards the BO and the case? I suppose it's a matter of time, and more files, until we know more about the guy (right now he's pretty much a new character, after all).

I agree..

Spoiler:

But I don't think he will be returning to the agency soon since Conan is there plus we are pretty much sure that Okiya is Akai, he will definitely be on guard too especially now that he knows who Bourbon is since he bombed him on the train. (but wait, it was mentioned that Akai and Bourbon actually hated each other when Akai was in BO, so it is possible he already knew who Bourbon is beforehand right?). Maybe this knowledge was also used by the good guys to set the switcheroo on the train leading to their advantage since they already know who's coming for Sherry.

[believer08]

Spoiler:

It probably depends on what Kid tell Conan about this... But I don't really know how on earth Conan is going to take out the pressure there... He's "corned" now, because Amuro don't know that the cover was blown up. The only way he'd know is if Vermouth open her mouth and tell him all the shrinking stuff and he cross his path with Ai. Or only the second thing, Amuro is damn smart.

On the other hand I'm thinking about a possible connection between Amuro and Takagi's old friend... how possible'd it be that Amuro is, actually, not a bad guy?
I don't mean another "Vermouth", we all know that its not like she is actually "helping" Conan, but maybe somebody who is inside the BO, just to help conan to bring it down in the future... It's only a crazy Idea i came up with, but... Well, I don't want to believe Amuro is like Gin, so to speak...

(Sorry about the English, I hope you can understand the point)

[pulis0tilis]

So.

Checked the raw out.

MAAAAANNNNNNNNNN.

Talk about a mixture of expected and unexpected.

Spoiler:

Having Kaito Kid disguise as Shiho? LOL. Aoyama-sensei, are you finally deciding to intertwine both works?

Spoiler:

I think he will make kaito kid's oragnization combined with black organization or maybe they are realy conected.. sory for bad english

[neil0604]

Spoiler:

It probably depends on what Kid tell Conan about this... But I don't really know how on earth Conan is going to take out the pressure there... He's "corned" now, because Amuro don't know that the cover was blown up. The only way he'd know is if Vermouth open her mouth and tell him all the shrinking stuff and he cross his path with Ai. Or only the second thing, Amuro is damn smart.

On the other hand I'm thinking about a possible connection between Amuro and Takagi's old friend... how possible'd it be that Amuro is, actually, not a bad guy?
I don't mean another "Vermouth", we all know that its not like she is actually "helping" Conan, but maybe somebody who is inside the BO, just to help conan to bring it down in the future... It's only a crazy Idea i came up with, but... Well, I don't want to believe Amuro is like Gin, so to speak...

(Sorry about the English, I hope you can understand the point)

Spoiler:

I do get your point, and I agree on what you said about Kid and Vermouth's info. It would be funny if Bourbon should return to the agency and meet Conan, poor boy (Amuro) doesn't know he has been blown. Now that would be an interesting scene, and the more it would be if Vermouth also blabbed about Conan's real state and both of them know who each other "really" are.

And yes, it would also be possible that Amuro could be a good guy too since we had a hint when he didn't want Sherry killed immediately on the train unlike Vermouth, but on that note, the possibility of him being good is about 10(bad):2(good) ratio IMO.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Repost.
Some thoughts on the file with the disclaimer they may not be accurate because I could have misunderstood something from the spoiler preview.

I think it is interesting how Gin didn't care if Vermouth and Bourbon got blown up with the train when it arrived at the station and set off their bombs. How would he have explained that to the boss? Killing codenamed agents unnecessarily should have earned him some demerit based on what Pisco said in the Haido City Hotel.

Akai was wearing Sera's hat when he dropped that grenade. She left it in her room earlier after boarding the train. She didn't wear it during the investigation or the meeting with Scar Akai. Okiya took her back to her room as Yukiko said and then grabbed the hat when he went to confront Amuro. He then dropped it in the hall after he left where it was found by Ran. I guess this means that he is wearing a wig since the hair change occurred so quickly.

You know how it is implied that Amuro has been in or connected to the Organization since he was young for him to have met Elena? What if he was childhood friends with Akemi? The other possibility is that Elena is still alive and Amuro knows about it (but that doesn't seem to be what he implied.)
Knowing Elena means Amuro has been in the Black Org since he was young. If we guess Elena died say, 15 years ago (Shiho = 3), that means Amuro was 14 when he knew her. Children growing up in the BO is a recurring pattern with Shiho and now Amuro. I bet Amuro had a directive that he be prepped to be a detective and enrolled in police academy, sort of like how Shiho was groomed as a scientist to take over her parents' research. It would be interesting to find out if Amuro is related to any of the BO members we know. None come to mind though. I wonder how many BO agents start in house as kids? I wouldn't be surprised if Gin was raised in the Organization.

Amuro doesn't seem like the most evil of the BO lot based on his behavior so far, but he is definitely loyal because he dutifully informed his higher ups about finding Sherry when he could have pretended not to see the video. I guess he is the gentleman bad guy; that is still a bad guy but you don't want to hate him too much. Amuro does seem to have some sense of justice, just not too good a sense of justice. That could be Date's influence now that I think about it.

I don't think Kaito Kid is going to let his current understanding of things lie. He is too curious and will probably want to understand how Conan got caught up with people with codenames who bomb trains and impersonate dead FBI agents with disguises. Maybe something will come up next heist.

Also the Suzuki family is out of the running for BO boss since Gin thought it would be useful if Jirokichi died. (Not that I ever thought they were BO related)

[Fennec]

Spoiler:

I am now waiting for someone to say "Jirokichi's the head of the BO!" within the next few files, because you know that will happen.

Anyways, we've been chatting about Amuro possibly being a BO kid in the spoiler box, and I think it's the most plausible explanation right now. Most likely, he was put through the police training to get an inside look at how investigations are done so they could circumvent it. However, it could have also left him with some mental conflict. He was being taught to fight and investigate crime and protect people from evil, yet at the same time he was also working for an organization that has no qualms about destroying a hospital or blowing up a train full of innocent passengers. Naturally, he'd probably feel a bit of doubt about the Organization, and not be as open anymore. Of course, his sense of right and wrong might be pretty warped by his upbringing, though, which also explains his behavior.