Detective Conan Files 812-814 *SPOILER FREE* Discussion Thre

[Jd-]

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Why is this necessary?

Due to the files making their way onto the internet in full much earlier than before, we will be experimenting with having spoiler free discussion threads for all the latest cases. This will give everyone the opportunity to proceed with following and discussing the series in the manner they are most comfortable with.

What happens with the other type of discussion topic?

They stay exactly the same. The topics that we have been discussing the files in while using spoiler boxes need to operate by the exact same rules as before, especially for the time being. There are several reasons for this. Foremost, people may accidentally stumble into that topic (either from the index or without seeing that there is a "spoiler free" topic available). As a result, the old rule of "if DCTP hasn't released it, use a spoiler box" will still apply as much as ever, at least for now.


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[Stopwatch]

Thanks for the release DCTP  :-*


i really found it funny  when they entered the bathroom while okiya was brushing for the second time now, but isn't it strange that he's using his right hand while brushing his teeth? this seem to imply that his dominant hand was busy doing something else and the toothbrush was to cover up whatever he was doing.

and then he was shown hiding a comb?  ???

I think these two are probably linked, if he originally had the comb in his left hand while doing his teeth with his non-dominant hand, but had to hide the comb away when the others arrived (reasons for this could be to prevent DNA evidence, hide his handedness or the comb could be one made 'specially for wigs because normal combs can damage them).
I suppose the question is more, why wasn't he doing the same in the case where Ran and Sonoko first met him. Well, the only thing I can think of for that as of yet is that he didn't have that comb yet, which would point to Yukiko*, but I'm not that sure really, could also be someone like Fusae.

as for the case itself, is yusaku implying that its a suicide? i don't know why i feel that he knows the truth but doesn't want to reveal it to protect a close friend honor or something.

It could also be an accident, but yeah, that's possible for sure , although if it was a suicide I don't see how not revealing it would protect someone really.

*Yukiko is (well, was) an actress so would know about those sorts of things, right?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Past case first, assuming Yuusaku is right about it not being a murder, then the death character must have happened naturally under some sort of crazy circumstances, or someone did it after but didn’t commit the crime. I gravitate towards the second because it seems easier for it to happen. The guy doesn’t have a bloody finger, so I guess he didn’t draw it with his fingers at least. We also have some suspicious dandelions that looked ripped up by the corpse. If it was a murder or the guy inadvertently died, it might be a dying message or sign of a struggle.

For the recent case we have a guy who was already pretty messed up healthwise dead with the same character. This time we have a bloody cigarette at the scene. It looks grabbed with bloody fingerprints, so it might be a dying message. His hands and fingers are bloody all over, but the character, 死, was drawn upside down in relation to the body which is awfully hard to do, so it makes me think the dead guy didn’t do it.

Sonoko anviliciously lasers the Okiya’s neck plot point. Exactly, how many times has she met the guy? I don’t recall all that many unless she stalks him. Given what Ran was saying, I really wonder…. It seems Okiya doesn’t have anything obvious on the front part of his neck so it is either something off to one side, covered with makeup, or something removable like jewelry or a device. I’ll have to think about it.

Conan flips out about the girls dropping in on Okiya as I would expect. An alert for Okiya would have been in order. That may have been what happened because Okiya is brushing right handed in an obvious departure from his usual left handedness, and gestures instead of speaking. Conan had ample time to let him know that the girls had been thinking of dropping in on him. Regarding the comb, I don’t see anything special about it as a comb. I wonder if the issue was that he was brushing his hair left handed while the toothbrush was simply hanging from his mouth, then quickly dropped the comb to hide what he was doing while pretending to use the toothbrush right handed? Or maybe he was hiding the comb because someone else, the woman, used it?

I think these two are probably linked, if he originally had the comb in his left hand while doing his teeth with his non-dominant hand, but had to hide the comb away when the others arrived (reasons for this could be to prevent DNA evidence, hide his handedness or the comb could be one made 'specially for wigs because normal combs can damage them).

Sera talked about evidence gathering and Okiya would know his sister's competency, so being afraid of Sera nicking it might have something to do with it.

If it’s wigs and ladies in the Kudo house, Yukiko makes the most sense especially since Yuusaku was mentioned and the two parents tend to appear hand in hand.

Sera should probably already know Shinichi’s dad was Yuusaku if she did the background info to try to nail Conan being Shinichi. I would think she would hide the info. Sera’s reaction to Okiya is about what I expected. Also, Sera’s suggestions to Ran about evidence credibility were pretty suspicious. I wonder if she was quoting something.

[ShinRan4ver]

Okiya was probably combing his hair but switched to brushing teeth when he heard Sera-Ran-Sonoko coming in since brushing teeth is a reasonable excuse for not speaking. He probably was missing his voice changer that normally would be hiding under the scarf. Sera getting Ran and Sonoko fired up about Shinchi's "affair" was very funny. Since Yusaku=Mycroft Holmes=never ever ever wrong but too lazy to actually investigate thoroughly I think his prediction would hold up. 

Sera definitely was looking for a way to meet Okiya and investigate the Kudo household at the same time and we might get to a Sera-Conan-Okiya true identity confrontation.

[rrizqiw]

hmm i have feeling vermouth (thought chance are Rena because she have ponytail) go to shinichi house and meet Okiya

maybe "Okiya" that in washroom is not real Okiya but someone (possibly vermouth) that disguise as him

[yamiangie]

Clearly Okiya is a crossdresser on the weekends on top of being Akai/Bourbon.

[aly_angelflight]

Yeah, I think the first time, Okiya was forewarned that Ran was coming to clean, and the second time, Sonoko, Sera, and Ran came despite Conan telling them not to, and thus Okiya had to quickly compensate for the fact that he didn't have his voice changer on and hide the fact that he was using a comb specially designed for wigs when he found out they came anyhow.

[sstimson]

an Opinion about this case

In both the holmes and Poiot unsolved cases, A women was doing something noble but using crime to do it.

That might be the case here. It is likely Shinichi Dad did solve the case, but had very good reasons to "not" solve it.

As the Blood stains spelling out death might come from something blocking the blood to form that pattern.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Yeah, I think the first time, Okiya was forewarned that Ran was coming to clean, and the second time, Sonoko, Sera, and Ran came despite Conan telling them not to, and thus Okiya had to quickly compensate for the fact that he didn't have his voice changer on and hide the fact that he was using a comb specially designed for wigs when he found out they came anyhow.

I think I understand what is going on with Okiya's comb. It is not a wig comb. Wig combs have big open teeth.

Spoiler: pictures of wig combs

(left)

Okiya's comb looks nothing like the above. It is in fact a rat tail comb.

Spoiler: rat tail comb picture

Rat tail combs are used for natural hair straightening. They are also used for styling and giving body, and would be good tools for pushing hair around just so to cover his cheekbones, for instance.

A voice changer would definitely work for item around the neck, although that opens up the possibility that Agasa's in on it because someone needs to charge the bowtie.

[Incomplete-tantei]

Spoiler: rat tail comb picture

Rat tail combs are used for natural hair straightening. They are also used for styling and giving body, and would be good tools for pushing hair around just so to cover his cheekbones, for instance.

So Akai dyed his hair and isn't wearing a wig ?
Hmm I'd be a little disappointed if it was the case...

Anyway, AWESOME chap

[unclesporkums]

So Akai dyed his hair and isn't wearing a wig ?
Hmm I'd be a little disappointed if it was the case.

I felt the same way at first, but now I'm basically cool with it.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

So Akai dyed his hair and isn't wearing a wig ?
Hmm I'd be a little disappointed if it was the case...
Anyway, AWESOME chap

I thought it would be better for him to be wearing a wig so he could dramatically rip it off, but after getting kicked in the head and leaning out into the wind during a high speed chase the wig seems less probable than more permanent options. He'd have to glue it down to a really tight hair/scalp wig base net or something similar. If the mystery lady is Yukiko, she could be helping him with the disguise, but even then I think for the long term dye and straightener is better choice.

[Sato]

I wonder how he manage to put up with the wig when he was sleeping and after having shower everyday, but it's likely he used to it as it's disaster if sleep with it bcos he may not know he may make mess of it.

[Akonyl]

I hadn't thought about a voice changer, but now that it's mentioned that seems entirely plausible.

As for the lipstick, though it may point towards Vermouth or Yukiko, I'm also gonna mention the angle of "crossdressing or not, it could be Okiya's anyway". As we're (mostly) operating under the assumption that he's not wearing a mask, it's possible that he takes the time to put on lipstick to change the color of the only facial feature he hasn't obscured.

As far as the comb goes, while wigs do have their own types of combs, rat-tail combs aren't entirely exempt from this list, and are sometimes used for parting/sectioning wigs. Ex:
http://lacelocswigs.com/thick-rat-tail-comb-p-618.html

Spoiler:

http://www.amphigory.com/wig-detangler-combs.html

Spoiler:

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

The thing that still bothers me about Subaru's neck is that Akai also wore high collar getups in the current timeline, so it is convenient to think the reason for the collars was also relevant to Akai. A voice changer wouldn't be.
The problem with the whole comb situation is that those styling type combs are common in the US for both males and females. Without knowing their significance/use associations in Japan it is hard to tell if we are missing something.

Finally some other assorted comments I forgot to mention
I am surprised none of the characters mentioned how Conan seems to know where all of Shinichi/Yuusaku's old files are. Sera should really get all suspicious on him.
Sonoko wanting to see Subaru au naturel, Shinichi's porn stash, cheating, suspicious women being hidden... I think something was on Gosho's mind while writing this chapter.
It was nice to see officer Kogoro.
Sketchy kid with a mole is sketchy. The kid would be about Shinichi's age now which is old enough for a revenge plot inspired by the case 10 years ago to be executed in the current timeline. However, he apparently didn't show up among the finders in the current case.
The two æ­» characters have some slight differences where some blobby sections are, but they aren't too different.
It is weird Yuusaku was so sure that the maker of the æ­» character would never reappear. Does he think it would be some sort of one off freak occurrence by chance? Yuusaku would have never walked out if it really was a murder, unless something forced him to, or it was impossible to find the criminal but he was dead certain the motives would mean the culprit would never strike again. I wish we had some background on the prior case.
I hope we have a showdown between Sera and Subaru next chapter. Subaru does seem to have taken interest in the case which bodes well.