Detective Conan Files 801-803 Discussion Thread: Domestic Vi

[Incomplete-tantei]

LOOL It's really something those two would think after all. Such paranoia about BO. Conan sees someone dresses in black and thinks he's a BO member xD that sure cracked me up :p (referring the old man with the aid-earrings in the bus hijack case). Well, Conan used to react like that in the beginning, looks like he wouldn't think stupid things like this now (or so I hope).

[Incomplete-tantei]

The "Alright! You'd better abide by the promise you made to me!" of the wife made me strongly remember some smiliar sentence of a certain person.. I'm quite sure Gosho set that up on purpose ^^

[MadelineLime]

LoL that edit is perfect.

[believer08]

The "Alright! You'd better abide by the promise you made to me!" of the wife made me strongly remember some smiliar sentence of a certain person.. I'm quite sure Gosho set that up on purpose ^^

I need anything, in all it's meanings, about the plot. I'm loosing my mind 'cause of waiting.

[D.]

I'm loosing my mind 'cause of waiting.

Same here.
But when I compare myself with you guys who were reading the manga for , i don't know, mabey six years or more ,, I tend to be more patient ( I only started reading two years ago  ).

[redangelran]

I do like how Haibara was involved in confronting and stopping the criminal (doesn't happen too often)

Instead of a long rant of my problems with this case ... I decided instead to do a fanciful full page rewrite to illustrate them and my (fanfiction) hopes!:

In 802, Conan thinks to himself: "Things have gone too well ... It's like this is the work of something intentional ..."

this is awesome

[mihai]

I'm loosing my mind 'cause of waiting.

Same here.
But when I compare myself with you guys who were reading the manga for , i don't know, mabey six years or more ,, I tend to be more patient ( I only started reading two years ago  ).

me too, I started reading DC almost 2 years ago, after the case with the folded red shirts. But I'm patient because I have lots of other series that I'm currently reading for which I shoudn't be having time to read

well, the case ended nicely and I'm curious what's next. I hope it'll be something (Okiya, Amuro, Sera) related

[Hime-Chan]

I agree with you Conan324, but it's much more than silly, it's very macho, I mean, he's not happy that he's wife wasn't doing any chores at home, and that she threw up after he cooked. The only answer to that was stabbing her? Next time he's not happy he's going to hit her. I don't understand how you can forgive ANYONE who stabbed you, especially just because of that. I hate that case.

[AICHAN]

I agree with you Conan324, but it's much more than silly, it's very macho, I mean, he's not happy that he's wife wasn't doing any chores at home, and that she threw up after he cooked. The only answer to that was stabbing her? Next time he's not happy he's going to hit her. I don't understand how you can forgive ANYONE who stabbed you, especially just because of that. I hate that case.

So true...I think exactly the same!
I really understand why Ai doesn't forgive him...he tried to kill his wife for stupid reasons...if he was unhappy,he should have divorced...

[mihai]

I agree with you Conan324, but it's much more than silly, it's very macho, I mean, he's not happy that he's wife wasn't doing any chores at home, and that she threw up after he cooked. The only answer to that was stabbing her? Next time he's not happy he's going to hit her. I don't understand how you can forgive ANYONE who stabbed you, especially just because of that. I hate that case.

then you can agree with Haibara on this case , about the one millimeter thing. I guess you can also think that all happened because his misunderstanding you can give him a second chance and it's not like he's a murderer. I mean there were before cases where the one who tried to kill someone, the victim survived and there were some misunderstandings, the culprit was given a second chance. Now I only remember 2:
1. the case where the victim tried to get her bf jealous and to man up got her neck slashed by one of her friend's sharpened nail but was saved by Conan's first aid and was successfully operated. The culprit also tried suicide with diabetes medicine but again Conan saved her. I do remember the girls were drama actresses the one with long black hair had a picture of Shinichi in her notebook and her friends said she likes younger guys.
2. there's also the Shiragami case where the one who made his face to look like Shinichi(he was called Makoto I think) once saved the victim's child and Shinichi said the victim will remember that after getting out of the hospital

On the other hand, you are also right to some degree since stabbing your wife you sworn to protect and love is a serious crime and they should've at least threaten him some more to teach him a lesson

[Hime-Chan]

I never said I disagreed with her, did I?

I really don't understand the logic for that, is that what the mangaka wants to show children? it's ok to stab someone, if it's a misunderstanding, you won't go to prison, everyone will be happy if the person stabbed does not die?

Shinichi/Conan can't understand someone committing murder, but if it's an accident, it's alright, no harm done, not much at least. For someone on the side of justice, it's a bit much, don't you think?

[Stopwatch]

I think it's partly that if you feel sorry for it and still love the person, plus no one actually gets killed...
However, the intent when he originally attempted the murder was unmistakable, it wasn't self-defence, he really meant to kill her, so him getting away unpunished, while sweet that they still love each other and he's been forgiven...

[Kleene Onigiri]

I agree with you Conan324, but it's much more than silly, it's very macho, I mean, he's not happy that he's wife wasn't doing any chores at home, and that she threw up after he cooked. The only answer to that was stabbing her? Next time he's not happy he's going to hit her. I don't understand how you can forgive ANYONE who stabbed you, especially just because of that. I hate that case.

First he was only thinking about stabbing her. He was stressed over his stressed wife + other people ignoring him.
He made the plan to stab her, but he didn't really plan to really do it. But he was ticked off by the words from his wife. (and that wife was not really very nice at that time either ^^") He kinda handled in affect too.
Then again, he was still hesitating, since he didn't pull out the knife, which would have risen the chance of killing the wife.
Yes, wanting to stab someone for such a silly argument is wrong. But you never have a valid reason to stab or hurt someone anyway.

Also, people aren't perfect, they do mistakes. And I think some people don't understand the meaning of being punished for their crimes.
It's meant to:
1. Prevent people to do it (again)
2. Giving the victim some sort of compensation (so they won't want revenge)
3. To give the criminal the opportunity to make up for it and be "forgiven"

In this case, the man regretted what he's done and even wanted to kill himself for it. Thus, he wouldn't do it again.
The victim doesn't feel the need to punish him and forgave him (so long as he doesn't do it again).
And the man has the opportunity to make up for his crime, when he's a good and loving father and husband.

So, punishing the man extra isn't needed anymore, since it doesn't have any use. Besides maybe for people that want "absolute justice"... :x


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@stoppy:
I don't think he was unpunished. He almost killed his wife AND almost killed his own kid unknowingly.
You guys never did something out of anger and right the next secound, you regretted it?


I think Conan did a good thing here. People don't live for the laws, law is there for the people. Stubbornly doing "you did something wrong, you have to pay for that because the law says so" isn't good either.
The man already regretted it (and conan did check that). Punishing the man won't benefit anyone at all.

[ten]

I think it's partly that if you feel sorry for it and still love the person, plus no one actually gets killed...
However, the intent when he originally attempted the murder was unmistakable, it wasn't self-defence, he really meant to kill her, so him getting away unpunished, while sweet that they still love each other and he's been forgiven...

As for Conan's decision:

Yes.  This case brings up some conflicting opinions on how you would deal with it if you were Conan.  The fact that Conan doesn't explain explicitly why he chose to not turn him in is what probably makes people mad at the mangaka for this case -- but I think he does, at least partly, in a subtle manner: He watches the husband's facial expressions very closely... The cover page of the file says it all.

I think if Conan didn't perceive those brief expressions of relief and guilt he might have misinterpreted his attempted suicide as something other than true remorse -- and if the husband didn't show remorse afterward I think Conan would have stopped him from jumping and then turned him into the police.

The only other thing Conan worries me about is his taking the law into his own hands, thinking he knows best -- judge and jury ... in this case he is exactly like Sherlock Holmes though

[Kleene Onigiri]

Well, Conan get to know the people, he was there when the stabbing happened, he witnessed how the culprit reacted.
He has a better point to judge than some random judge that doesn't know anything about the situation or is being told :x