Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

[kuro_shiro]

I think Bourbon is investigating Kogoro, but the reason Bourbon is investigating is only because he thinks Kogoro might have helped Akai or is hiding him. I do not think Bourbon is investigating Kogoro for other reason.

 what the hell,,
how could akai's death could have anything with kogoro and how could bourbon would even think that????
how could you think that borbon would think that


if akai is alive ,then somebody must have helped him but first person to able to help him would be kir and after her comes conan(UD to BO).
as far as kogoro is considered , i have already posted my reason on why he has nothing to do with FBI.
after that if Bourbon(Amuro) investigates kogoro, it could only mean that he is looking for UD not for catching kogoro and akai together.

For now, I think Bourbon is going to get sidetracked by Sera and focus priority on her rather than Conan and Kogoro. It's probably lucky she deleted her pictures of Haibara, because if Bourbon does a room raid and checks her computer, he could have found something incriminating.

i agree with it .amuro's intrest in the female young detective seen around kogoro is quite high. i believe he will start investigating her as a possible suspect for UD. if he sees her logical ability  then it is undeniable that he will tail her and note her schedule like he has investigated kogoro before applying for assitant.

P.S. Gin was mean to me

this made my day
 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I think Bourbon is investigating Kogoro, but the reason Bourbon is investigating is only because he thinks Kogoro might have helped Akai or is hiding him. I do not think Bourbon is investigating Kogoro for other reason.

 what the hell,,
how could akai's death could have anything with kogoro and how could bourbon would even think that????
how could you think that borbon would think that

There are two main points to consider here
1) Bourbon's thinking goes like this: Akai can't have died. --> He faked his death. --> If he faked his death, Kir must have helped him because it wouldn't work otherwise. --> Kir is a traitor.
2) Bourbon wants to find Akai. That means finding Akai's other accomplices who are helping him hide/whatever he is doing now in secret. Kir obviously isn't talking and Bourbon can't do much to pressure her because she is now considered loyal for killing Akai. Bourbon investigated the closest FBI agents to Akai that he knows of, Jodie and Camel, using the Scar Akai disguise. He got no useful information because they don't know Akai is alive. So if some of the FBI are not the accomplices, who should Bourbon investigate? People who met Kir because she is the traitor who helped Akai fake his death. Who has met Kir and is potentially interesting? Mouri Kogoro, who already had suspicion on him once before, and met her back in the ding dong dash case.

All of those deductions lead to the reason for targeting Kogoro and explain why Scar Akai knew Kogoro's cellphone number and why Amuro Tohru becomes Kogoro's apprentice very neatly.

[Partsu]

chek...you sure you are from this world?

[leokiko]

Chekhov...why do you think this arc will involve an Ran suspicion part? IN episode 400 anime, didn't Ran settle for thinking Conan was just an really smart kid? It wouldn't make sense for her to become suspicious of his identity again. I bet she IS gonna be involved, but not in that kind of way.

[mangaluva]

She has been suspicious recently... and did anything ever come of Ran noticing that Shinichi and Conan may or may not have the same fingerprints? It was so long ago now...

[leokiko]

She has been suspicious recently... and did anything ever come of Ran noticing that Shinichi and Conan may or may not have the same fingerprints? It was so long ago now...

That comment about DNA that Ran made was certainly something that could be used later. But if she managed to make an DNA test, then she would definitely discover that Conan=Shinichi....but for the series to continue, that can't happen.

[Partsu]

yeh...for that to happen she needs to meet shinichi and get his DNA...but for some reason I can't see that happening...

What I could see happening is Bourbon screwing up and being called back before he can uncover
Akai's whereabouts,Sherry's location or Conan's secret...

or him becoming male-Vermouth...

[mangaluva]

yeh...for that to happen she needs to meet shinichi and get his DNA...but for some reason I can't see that happening...

There are other ways to get his DNA. What are the odds that Yukiko WASN'T the kind of mother to have locks of baby hair in scrapbooks and lockets?

[Partsu]

yeh...for that to happen she needs to meet shinichi and get his DNA...but for some reason I can't see that happening...

There are other ways to get his DNA. What are the odds that Yukiko WASN'T the kind of mother to have locks of baby hair in scrapbooks and lockets?

This is going a bit offtopic but...
even if she has his hair would she give it to Ran? without telling her son?Would she keep that kind of 'incriminating' evidence somewhere where it can be accessed by someone else than her own family?

[skyechan]

yeh...for that to happen she needs to meet shinichi and get his DNA...but for some reason I can't see that happening...

There are other ways to get his DNA. What are the odds that Yukiko WASN'T the kind of mother to have locks of baby hair in scrapbooks and lockets?

This is going a bit offtopic but...
even if she has his hair would she give it to Ran? without telling her son?Would she keep that kind of 'incriminating' evidence somewhere where it can be accessed by someone else than her own family?

Even so...technically Ran cleans out Shin'ichi's house. If she was really desperate she could easily find a bit of Shin'ichi's DNA in the house somewhere even without Yukiko's assistance.

[Partsu]

yeh...for that to happen she needs to meet shinichi and get his DNA...but for some reason I can't see that happening...

There are other ways to get his DNA. What are the odds that Yukiko WASN'T the kind of mother to have locks of baby hair in scrapbooks and lockets?

This is going a bit offtopic but...
even if she has his hair would she give it to Ran? without telling her son?Would she keep that kind of 'incriminating' evidence somewhere where it can be accessed by someone else than her own family?

Even so...technically Ran cleans out Shin'ichi's house. If she was really desperate she could easily find a bit of Shin'ichi's DNA in the house somewhere even without Yukiko's assistance.

well I think Shinichi would have taken off all the incriminating things...

[mangaluva]

yeh...for that to happen she needs to meet shinichi and get his DNA...but for some reason I can't see that happening...

There are other ways to get his DNA. What are the odds that Yukiko WASN'T the kind of mother to have locks of baby hair in scrapbooks and lockets?

This is going a bit offtopic but...
even if she has his hair would she give it to Ran? without telling her son?Would she keep that kind of 'incriminating' evidence somewhere where it can be accessed by someone else than her own family?

Even so...technically Ran cleans out Shin'ichi's house. If she was really desperate she could easily find a bit of Shin'ichi's DNA in the house somewhere even without Yukiko's assistance.

well I think Shinichi would have taken off all the incriminating things...

Yeah, to be fair, we should probably be assuming that he cleared everything out before Okiya moved in, locked it all up somewhere or stuck it in Agasa's basement or something. Also, with Okiya around, Ran isn't cleaning anymore. But she had that window, and she could probably get in again if she wanted to.

[kuro_shiro]

1) Bourbon's thinking goes like this: Akai can't have died. --> He faked his death. --> If he faked his death, Kir must have helped him because it wouldn't work otherwise. --> Kir is a traitor.

My thoughts exactly. that's why i said kir is the first person to be suspected .but bourbon can not prove it. a proof makes a criminal a criminal. unless he has solid  proof about kir's betrayal he can't do anything to kir who has proved her innocence twice.and kir does not know(my guess) akai's location.and to call akai or going on a date with him is definitely the last for her to do.
here dies bourbon's hope for catching kir and akai together.  

2) Bourbon wants to find Akai. That means finding Akai's other accomplices who are helping him hide/whatever he is doing now in secret. Kir obviously isn't talking and Bourbon can't do much to pressure her because she is now considered loyal for killing Akai. Bourbon investigated the closest FBI agents to Akai that he knows of, Jodie and Camel, using the Scar Akai disguise. He got no useful information because they don't know Akai is alive. So if some of the FBI are not the accomplices, who should Bourbon investigate? People who met Kir because she is the traitor who helped Akai fake his death. Who has met Kir and is potentially interesting? Mouri Kogoro, who already had suspicion on him once before, and met her back in the ding dong dash case.

so according to you bourbon's line of thought is

Spoiler:

if akai is alive (core ssumption)then  he is somwewhere still investigating. he must be having  one or more accomplices
now who could be these accompolices

1)FBI:
both jodie and camel were shocked to see scar akai &  the fact that jodie thought he was akai in file 678 and tried to find him by investigating in  file700 is enough to make bourbon believe that they think  that akai had died in at rihana falls. hence suspicion cleared

2)Kir
it is dangerous for her to meet him or even talk to him on phone.besides i am sure that bourbon have already tailed her for a long time (and given up realising that it is pointless)before starting investigating kogoro.
hence she should be ingored and other people should be suspected instead


3)Kogoro
he faced fatal situation in file 504 which would not have been the case if he knew fbi.
so the possibility of him helping akai is slim and it is less but not impossible and as it is the last possibility so it must be right  

Spoiler: my verdict

where does conan(UD, to BO agents) come in that theory after all he is the one  who is helping akai.
there is a fourth candidate for akai's accompolice
4)Unknown detective / conan
he has contacted akai in the past(BTW file 500 and file 504) or akai could not have anticipated their movements(in file 504). BO don't know about him and can't reach him.in all UD is safest person to approach for akai. so he must have asked UD for help. and it is UD who is helping him .no doubts here.

so investigation on UD is to be done and i have already posted bourbon's theory from that line of thought , in this thread

All of those deductions lead to the reason for targeting Kogoro and explain why Scar Akai knew Kogoro's cellphone number and why Amuro Tohru becomes Kogoro's apprentice very neatly.

why amuro tohru become kogoro's apprentice has already been explained by my deductions.
about how scar akai knew kogor's cellpohne number
first of all, wasn't it an email? meaning as it was sent to an email id not on a number.
Note: in my country ,SMS are sent to phone and email to email account.
i don't know whether it is a translation style or glitch or sms is said email in japan.
so i am considering both scenarios

if it was sent to email id then explanation is simple
scar akai learnt kogoro's email id in his investigating phase and rememberd it as it is easy to remember.

however if it was sent to phone no then things become complicated
scar akai might have noted  the number which he got while he was investigating kogoro from a safe distance   (for reasons which i am not posting well i am lazy) in his notepad and that's how he knew it.

[kuro_shiro]

TO MODERATORS
it is my request to add a poll on whose theory is right .since the discussion of Bourbon's(Amuro) motive have boiled down to my and chekhov's thinking .so why not listen to the thoughts of rest of people as well .

Spoiler: Sample Pole

whose theory is right

• Chekhov Macguffin ,our good community scholar
• kuro_shiro              , the new evil rival

read theories first vote later

PS:i like being evil

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

about how scar akai knew kogor's cellpohne number
first of all, wasn't it an email? meaning as it was sent to an email id not on a number.

It doesn't matter which he used because neither was public. I reread through a rather large number of Kogoro's cases specifically to look at how clients contacted him, and Kogoro was never contacted by first time clients on his cellphone (first time clients used the office landline) although he did give his cellphone number to clients who have already contacted him once already. Kogoro only got a public business email in the 790s. In short, it is still weird how scar Akai knew Kogoro's cellphone number/SMS/private email/whatever it was.

I don't like the idea of having a poll on particular user's theories versus just the theories themselves. Focusing on the person invites ad hominem. Also, I forget, but I'm not sure you can add a poll on a thread so easily unless you are an admin like Jd- or Abs. The polls on DCTP are screwy anyway, I vote over at DCW.