Takagi knows Conan's identity (Theory)

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miakakiri wrote: Stopwatch-san: You also have to remember that shortly after this part in the manga Vermouth is shown leaving. There has been some speculation (not saying I believe it) that she was disguised as Takagi and took the phone. Admittedly this is usually put forth by people arguing that Akai isn't dead.

What if Takagi was Bourbon searching for Akai´s death, and Vermouth was there because she helped bourbon to disguise him?  Remenber that Vermouth did the same thing in File 704 ... when Scar-Akai went out of the shop She appeared.
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I think Takagi is thinking Conan as an extra-ordinary brat he's with Conan during the case where the whole Tokyo is endangered with  bomb (I don't remember what chapter) he asked Conan, "who are you?"  and Conan answered "you'll know in the next life" this pharse perhaps given Takagi an idea that Conan hides something. But since Conan don't tell anything about the BO except to those who knows his real identity, Takagi just continued what he's doing (for Satou) and examine Conan's situation if he'll get some more information about it.. :D
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Takagi obviously knows conan's identity....there are too many things that
have happened till now that makes me think so :)
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after the bombing case, i think, nobody would argue that takagi is suspicious about conan, but what made me more suspicious about this incident that after that there was no continuation of this scene in any way... therefore i believe takagi came to some conclusion (at least after the (fake)death of Akai, just following the flow here) but decided that as long as conan doesn't reveal himself i would be pretty hard for him to make him confess, after all he knows how sharp kudo/conan is and to a point what gadgets he has and so maybe he thinks kudo will use some trick to deceive him (disregarding fingerprints here)
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If Takagi managed to reveal that Conan Edogawa and Shinichi Kudo are the same person then he became a target for the BO.  8-)

Only if he pursue it.  :-\

How many issue do think Takagi will prove that he's right?  :|
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I would like to think that Takagi would be smart enough to keep it on the down-low. Haibara told Conan that if he went to him for helping looking into the BO, he would be killed, but that was mostly a threat to keep him from talking to anyone about it. (Could be true, but it was clear she was just saying that at the time and she is pretty paranoid.) Since Shinichi is flagged with the BO as being dead, Takagi would most likely not attract their attention if he looked into him... then again why nobody made a big deal about his disappearance is a bit off. If he had actually died, there certainly would have been something about it in the news. Even Heiji was looking into that. The perfect cover would actually have been faking his own death.
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but faking his death would reveal a whole lot of problems with his personal life which he doesn't want to confront i think... and if he tells some of the effected people he still has the same problems as he would have revealing it now...
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harrieth.dc wrote: I think Takagi is thinking Conan as an extra-ordinary brat he's with Conan during the case where the whole Tokyo is endangered with  bomb (I don't remember what chapter) he asked Conan, "who are you?"  and Conan answered "you'll know in the next life" this pharse perhaps given Takagi an idea that Conan hides something. But since Conan don't tell anything about the BO except to those who knows his real identity, Takagi just continued what he's doing (for Satou) and examine Conan's situation if he'll get some more information about it.. :D
Well, if Takagi and Sato succeed then the BO will come after them for sure.  :-X
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blackgin wrote:
harrieth.dc wrote: I think Takagi is thinking Conan as an extra-ordinary brat he's with Conan during the case where the whole Tokyo is endangered with  bomb (I don't remember what chapter) he asked Conan, "who are you?"  and Conan answered "you'll know in the next life" this pharse perhaps given Takagi an idea that Conan hides something. But since Conan don't tell anything about the BO except to those who knows his real identity, Takagi just continued what he's doing (for Satou) and examine Conan's situation if he'll get some more information about it.. :D
Well, if Takagi and Sato succeed then the BO will come after them for sure.  :-X
Only if they're not careful how they get the info.  the BO didn't come after Eisuke, after all.  Besides, Takagi's pretty cautious.  I think the secret would be safe with him.
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I've been saying this for the longest and few believe it after all the evidence that proves this. I'm relived someone thinks the same way i do.

Takagi also does anything Conan tells him to, and Conan doesn't even hide from Takagi anymore. He also tells Conan everything about a case. This is undeniable proof, he has to know. If Akai's death was faked and Conan, Akai, and Rina set it up, it would only make since that they planned Takagi into it to tell Jodie the victim in the blast was of Akai. The only other print that would come up is Shinichi's . So he also had to alert him of this and make sure he kept this a secret. Plus it's good to have someone on your side with the police
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Takagi declares that it is a habit to tell everything about a case to Conan, although you could be right on that being due to the fact that he knows that Conan is Shinichi. However, I don't believe the FBI or Conan would directly tell him without knowing that he has already discovered Conan's identity. Even then, at this point, we can't be sure that they would be willing to involve someone unrelated to the FBI in the Black organization investigation--he'd be a target in such case. However sharp and open minded he might be, it would be nearly impossible for him to come to the conclusion that a syndicate such as the Black Organization exists. If he was told, he'd likely believe it, but otherwise, its as Haibara had once said when Shinichi discovered the organization's phone number--the people from the organization which hide in shadows are like fictional characters.

Shinichi revealing his identity to Eisuke over a trivial matter cannot be considered a precedence due to the fact that Eisuke had discovered the organization's existence and is pursuing to become a CIA agent that will essentially infiltrate the organization. The additional information that Shinichi reveals (or mainly confirms) would not put him in any further risk than he already is in; he already knows considerable amounts of information about the organization, it would not harm him to know another aspect.
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The FBI wouldn't, but lets say Akai, Conan, Rina might involve him faintly, not go into complete detail. If Conan was worried about that, when he got Anokata's number he wouldn't have thought about giving it to Takagi to trace, you may also be right that he new prior till though.
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Rina? I imagine you mean Mizunashi Rena (Hondou Houdemi), right?

Personally, I don't think that's the case.

Rena has been mostly monitored by the organization. It's unlikely that she would have any chance to contact Takagi--her interactions with the FBI were already very limited. I can't see much reason why she would turn to Takagi either.

Akai isn't exactly close to Takagi either. Although, I suppose it's not impossible for Akai to have contacted him, supposing that he's Okiya. But once again, I don't see much reason for that. There are also no guarantees that the person Jodie would see for fingerprinting would just happen to be Takagi.

Conan, unlike the other two, is closer to Takagi. It's possible that he might reveal things to Takagi if Takagi does figure it out. Although I imagine that the reason why Conan wanted Takagi to trace Anokata's number was due to the fact that Takagi is one of the few police officers that has great trust in him, and is open minded enough not to ridicule him. When Haibara noted some arguments to giving Takagi the BO's number, he considered telling the entire department--which appeared to be his ultimate goal.
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Shuusgirl wrote:
blackgin wrote:
harrieth.dc wrote: I think Takagi is thinking Conan as an extra-ordinary brat he's with Conan during the case where the whole Tokyo is endangered with  bomb (I don't remember what chapter) he asked Conan, "who are you?"  and Conan answered "you'll know in the next life" this pharse perhaps given Takagi an idea that Conan hides something. But since Conan don't tell anything about the BO except to those who knows his real identity, Takagi just continued what he's doing (for Satou) and examine Conan's situation if he'll get some more information about it.. :D
Well, if Takagi and Sato succeed then the BO will come after them for sure.  :-X
Only if they're not careful how they get the info.  the BO didn't come after Eisuke, after all.  Besides, Takagi's pretty cautious.  I think the secret would be safe with him.
In that case, it will be a lot easier to enter every crime scene in the future, keeping sleeping Kogoro in the dark from their fellow colleague and getting information from the BO secretly.  8-)
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Arisana wrote: Rina? I imagine you mean Mizunashi Rena (Hondou Houdemi), right?

Personally, I don't think that's the case.

Rena has been mostly monitored by the organization. It's unlikely that she would have any chance to contact Takagi--her interactions with the FBI were already very limited. I can't see much reason why she would turn to Takagi either.

Akai isn't exactly close to Takagi either. Although, I suppose it's not impossible for Akai to have contacted him, supposing that he's Okiya. But once again, I don't see much reason for that. There are also no guarantees that the person Jodie would see for fingerprinting would just happen to be Takagi.

Conan, unlike the other two, is closer to Takagi. It's possible that he might reveal things to Takagi if Takagi does figure it out. Although I imagine that the reason why Conan wanted Takagi to trace Anokata's number was due to the fact that Takagi is one of the few police officers that has great trust in him, and is open minded enough not to ridicule him. When Haibara noted some arguments to giving Takagi the BO's number, he considered telling the entire department--which appeared to be his ultimate goal.

Rena while in the hospital and Conan, Akai exposed her and devised a plan to get her back into the Org they could have came up with the plan to fake Akai's death. To do that they would need someone trusted to lie and say the body found matched Akai's fingerprints. All conan would say is leave that part to me.

Like you said he may have told Takagi because he is closer to him, i don't see him giving Anokata's number to Takagi unless he trusted him to keep things.
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