Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[Dus]

Ah, no I just worded it badly.
When Kain died, nom got to add another name (breva) although there was only one kill left. Then breva was arrested and she got to add another name (CTU).

[Akonyl]

How is that different from what I said at all? If she gets to add new names to the list once there's only 3 or less people on her hitlist left alive+out of jail, she'll never be forced to exhaust her list, and thus kill her lover who's on the list.

If that's not what the rule was supposed to mean then what would the better wording be?

[Dus]

- You have to kill 4 people, but you can add a new name to the list if there aren't enough alive that Natsuki can kill a total of four of them.

[Akonyl]

Ah, yeah that would make her kill her lover. But that's quite different from what that rule says, so you might want to get DT to change that then if he keeps the role around.

[xpon]

Sherry is good. but the problem lies on

If sherry is in the game then Ai is not in the game

we even have Conan and Shinichi!

[Akonyl]

Sherry is good. but the problem lies on

If sherry is in the game then Ai is not in the game

we even have Conan and Shinichi!

actually, the rules explicitly state that Conan and Shinichi can't be in the same game.

The only way they can both be in the game is if Kid or Vermouth is disguised as Shinichi, at which point it's not really Shinichi anyway. This would be the case for Sherry/Ai as well, but you can't disguise as children or BO.

[xpon]

that is the problem!

[Akonyl]

I don't see what the problem is then, because they both follow the same rules.

[Abs.]

xpon's trying to point out the "If Sherry is in the game, the BO know that Haibara is definitely not in the game" issue

[Conia]

Then we can have another role to take Sherry's place? Elena Miyano was mentioned once I think.

[Akonyl]

ah, yeah. That makes sense. :V

Well, while I dunno if we should necessarily make them both able to be in the same game, if we do make them both possible, I'll say that I think we might want to impose a limit of only allowing two not-smelly BO members in the game at a time. As, if sherry and haibara can both be in the game, if the BO has six members and is something like Anokata/Akemi/Sherry/Korn/Vodka/Pisco, half of the BO is unidentifiable by Ai, and considering that she's already sorta exposed at times (alcohol, child, etc), having the possibility of her ability being that weak is pretty bad.

RM:
And yeah, Elena/Atsushi were mentioned a while ago (by me, if nobody else did as well). Elena could just take Sherry's place, then, and the thing I said up there would still stand then (as her mother would obviously have no scent).

[xpon]

and i kinda hate to use sherry hand to kill someone!!!!

[KangarooGirl]

Well, it would have to be tried, and his kills could be hindered, I assume? And why does he have alcohol, unlike Akemi? I think he should kill every round, and perhaps his victims should be erased as well, so that you don't know whether it's him or Natsuki.

He has alcohol because unless we change "Gun" to "Weapon" and give him one, I can't think of him having any other items, and it'd sorta suck to be ID'd immediately on night 1 because of having no items. He can already be found out easily with an investigate, and he'd just have one item as well, don't need to make it any harder on him.

Would it be feasible to include the item "Handcuffs"? You could let all police have a pair. Hakuba might have one as well, but I'm not sure if that's canon. I believe Numabuchi had a pair on him pretty much the whole time he was on screen.

[Kleene Onigiri]

But Elena would be an adult, while sherry is a teenager (afaik we decided on that?)

Handcuffs would make it very obvious for the BO that it's a police officer :V But it's a good idea. (you could give ayumi handcuffs too, since she had some in a movie (with Ran loosing her memory etc.))

@stake-out: I don't think it's useless. Observe is mainly for figuring out roles. With stake-out, you can play more defensive. Since you can use it on your own members. Once it showed that pisco was tricked. Pisco wouldn't have known that, since he didn't do any action that night. I think it was PT. PT then claimed to have been tricked and found commi this way XD
Observe can be "useless" too in case you just find adults. Which is usually not giving you much info alone.


I still wanna change Akai \o/
He could be similar like the snipers. If he get's attacked at night, Akai dies but will also injure his attacker (whether it's BO or not). If he get's lynched, the person he votes for dies.
Also, since APTXing him would hinder his vengeance, maybe vengeance still goes through in case Akai get's lynched? Tho that's not necessary if the change described above is included

[KangarooGirl]

Why would Elena being an adult be a problem? Or was introducing Sherry partly to have a BO that's a teenager?

I don't think making it obvious that it's a police officer is a problem. It would mostly only exclude most civillians since FBI should have handcuffs too, imo.

I don't think stake out is useless, either. If we used it on Kleene that night, we'd know she was slandered immediately and she wouldn't have been lynched. And, like Kleene said, it can help figure out roles too.

I'm not that familiar with Akai's role, but it makes sense if we treat him like a sniper so he at least injures his attacker. He's proved himself an able sniper in 425, iirc.