Ai + Conan

[rushx5]

^ $£%$%^$%$$%£"*&^!!!???... i give up...

There there it's okay *pats*.  If we all have the same opinion this thread won't be half as entertaining~

Gosho meant for Conan x Ai to be a variable in the whole DC love equation.  It's what makes it so much fun <3.

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Investigating Ran? she's not a hard girl to figure out. Haibara is enigmatic, and as Shinichi slowly learns to understand her, he will be interested in her personality and realize how much the BO has dirtied up her mind. She has gotten stronger, but where she is going Ai has already been.

It also doesn't exclude the fact that she has NOTHING in common with Shinichi. Neither does it prove that she can actually be of use to him in a marriage bond later in life. I can see Ai being by his side as support for his detective working for life. Ran will pretty much lose all interesting points after Shinichi returns. Then what? If he solves anymore cases, Ai would be more useful.

I don't understand is why Ran and Ai is always seen as "support" to Shinichi?  In what way does Shinichi need supporting from the two ladies?  If anyone the only person who can really support him in a case is Heiji, Akai, and other detectives.  Haibara is brilliant but, unfortunately, the way cases go is that she doesn't figure out the case until Conan explains it.  Same with Ran.

If Shinichi and Ai gets together why is it that people see her as a "support" to Shinichi's cases?  Why is it that she's following him around to help him achieve his goals but have none on her own? So here we have a genius scientist living with a (slightly) crazy inventor while she's being chased down by a evil organisation and people's opinion is that she'll be safest and happiest following Shinichi as he chase down murderers?  Maybe xD.  But I was thinking of the lines of living a peaceful life and actually doing what SHE wants to do instead (be a doctor, open a pet shop, make chocolate that's good for your teeth because Ayumi won't go to the dentist, etc...).  Whatcha guys think?

That's a good point. Ai usually figures out the perp when Conan explains it, and she does her experiments in Agasa's basement. If Sin and Ai were together she'd be in a lab somewhere and shinichi in some remote mansion solving crimes.
Unless that's the ideal long term relationship Shinichi has in mind. Also can you imagine her staying home to do the dusting?

Ran on the other hand can be a bit of both, she can accompany Shin to cases but also will stay home to take care of the kids if that's what needs to be done. I think Ai's affection to Conan stems from the fact that the only person close to her age that's in similiar position (being shrunk) as her is Conan.

[soratothamax]

So  an argument for ShixShiho would be that she is an important character? 

Spoiler:

We should fetch him Vermouth then. 

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LOL Vermouth to Shuichi!!!

But no, the argument is he should be with Ai for several reasons including the fact that she is important to the story, and it'd be better if the love interest was important to the story.

[soratothamax]

sigh.....

ran and shinichi will end up together gosho made it that way and thats how he planned it
ran is shinichi's love interest in the story that's what makes her so IMPORTANT

What a weak importance. As we said before she's only there to be a lover! Thats what we said in the first place, other than that she has no importance to the main story : BO, mysteries, etc.

Ran's main role is Shinichi's love, but she also affects the other characters' personalities A LOT. Without her, the storyline would be really different. With Conan/Shinich, she's someone he wants to protect no matter what, Haibara is jealous of her but still wants her to be safe because she's thinking about Conan's feelings and Ran is so similar to Akemi, her father wouldn't act as funnilly because he's so protective of her, Vermouth was kept from killing both Ran and Haibara because she felt a guilt complex towards Ran, Eisuke wouldn't have been able to trick Conan into revealing his identity if Ran wasn't there (because he told Conan about his love towards Ran)... so Ran really isn't just some useless person. And there have been lots of times when Conan would have died without her.

Very true. And when you say Ran isn't "interllectually" on par with shinichi you are talking about deductions and obsure factoids. I bet Ran does excellent in school not to mention she has karate to protect herself if one of the perps tries to get revenge on shinichi by harming her. What would Ai have done? Shoot? Poison? Then Shinichi will need to put her in prison lol. I just don't like how Ran is deliberately weakened in recent episodes when compared to earlier ones (1-200).

Well, with more BO members and the way the story began compared to now contributed to her appearance to the viewers. In earlier episodes, it was about Conan staying with Detective Mouri so that he could hopefully track down the BO through cases/or solve cases. But now, he has plenty of links with the BO, and solves cases with the Detective Boys, so he really doesn't need Ran or Detective Mouri anymore, however, they are still around. Her role is weakening in the series as Conan has other links to his targets, or rather, her weak role is recognizable as the story unfolds.

Also, in the beginning, she was the strongest girl on DC! I noticed that! But after Ai came, other even stronger and tougher females entered making her appear weaker than she first seemed. With the addition of strong and tough women like Vermouth, Chianti,and Ai, the BO girls put Ran to shame on strength because they were in a crime syndicate. Even Jodie Sensei and Satou got their strength and tough exterior from being in the police force. It's different taking Karate for fun or because you want to. But needing to act tough on a daily basis for your job is different.

[bluekaitou1412]

I can't agree more, soratothamax!!!

[Soragirl6]

When I say intellectual level, I mean that Haibara and Conan could intellectually stimulate one another.  Shinchi is the type of person that needs that. Not to say that Ran isn't smart, but she's not an intellectual who's likes are on the basis of knowledge.  Shinchi loves to know the truth and deduct and haibara likes to give out details as well.  (Look up Intellectual in the dictionary. I just did several days ago.)
Ran is only there to interfere as the love interest. Sure, Ran has saved them many times, but if she didn't they would've found another way out because they are smart and usually do even without Ran.  In those particular scenerios, she chose to interfere, which could've have really put her in more danger. So, yeah Ran's not very important.  
i do agree that she was more important without the BO involved in the series, or like you said its more recognizable that she is just the love interest.  Quite frankly she wasn't that important then.
Shinchi doesn't want a normal life, people.  Being a detective is not normal. its not like he HAS to be a detective just to have a job. He doesn't even work for money! He enjoys being a detective and Ran would hold him back from his dream! On her part, she needs to think wisely about getting with someone who's not even in her same realm of passion.
I'm sure Ai knows how to cook and clean because she's lived by herself before. Ran could never go on cases with Shinchi...she'd be in the way, passing out or crying. Ai could still provide financially, mentally, and care for shinchi with a cool head on her shoulders.  At the same time work WITH Shinchi.  They could even cook and clean together, as their work schedules would be about the same and it would give them more time together.  Its just a perfect match.  ;) Dr. Agasa can be their kids' grandpa. 

[soratothamax]

^ $£%$%^$%$$%£"*&^!!!???... i give up...

There there it's okay *pats*.  If we all have the same opinion this thread won't be half as entertaining~

Gosho meant for Conan x Ai to be a variable in the whole DC love equation.  It's what makes it so much fun <3.

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Investigating Ran? she's not a hard girl to figure out. Haibara is enigmatic, and as Shinichi slowly learns to understand her, he will be interested in her personality and realize how much the BO has dirtied up her mind. She has gotten stronger, but where she is going Ai has already been.

It also doesn't exclude the fact that she has NOTHING in common with Shinichi. Neither does it prove that she can actually be of use to him in a marriage bond later in life. I can see Ai being by his side as support for his detective working for life. Ran will pretty much lose all interesting points after Shinichi returns. Then what? If he solves anymore cases, Ai would be more useful.

I don't understand is why Ran and Ai is always seen as "support" to Shinichi?  In what way does Shinichi need supporting from the two ladies?  If anyone the only person who can really support him in a case is Heiji, Akai, and other detectives.  Haibara is brilliant but, unfortunately, the way cases go is that she doesn't figure out the case until Conan explains it.  Same with Ran.

If Shinichi and Ai gets together why is it that people see her as a "support" to Shinichi's cases?  Why is it that she's following him around to help him achieve his goals but have none on her own? So here we have a genius scientist living with a (slightly) crazy inventor while she's being chased down by a evil organisation and people's opinion is that she'll be safest and happiest following Shinichi as he chase down murderers?  Maybe xD.  But I was thinking of the lines of living a peaceful life and actually doing what SHE wants to do instead (be a doctor, open a pet shop, make chocolate that's good for your teeth because Ayumi won't go to the dentist, etc...).  Whatcha guys think?

Haibara can help with forensics and other scientific means often involved Detective cases. She investigated Shinichi's house before! She was the head of the investigation. Also, she was a part of the Detective Boys and can figure things out quickly. Haibara is philosophical and an intellectual, knowing knowledge from various places, not basic normal knowledge. I know a lot, but I'm not an intellectual.

And here i say again, even if she goes far away to attempt to live peacefully, the BO would track her down and she'd never truly be peaceful until they are behind bars. Conan knows that and tried to stop her from running away once, when he thought she was running to leave the"booing." But he knows that she is better off at his side. Also, he wants the drug. If she wants to avoid the BO, she would have to move far away, and it'd be harder for him to get the antidote.

Really, the org isn't after Shinichi as much as they are Ai.

[soratothamax]

I can't agree more, soratothamax!!!

I always love the BO women the best, even Ai! I think thats why I think she's such a cool character. The whole BO is cool, everyone who was in it! And it's one of the reasons I like Ai. She acts like a member. They all have this cool thing about them, and Ai being so close to Conan just adds to the flavor. Really, that's Conan's only link to the org, especially now that Shuu is gone. Ai can sense a BO member from 500 miles away! (exaggeration). I don't think Conan would guess anyone was in the BO if Haibara didn't freak out every time she felt their strange presence. He didn't even know what Gin's car looked like! Or  didn't know Vermouth was on the bus with them in the bus incident episode.

[Soragirl6]

Even after the BO is down, her skills can be proven useful because most criminals that turn good end up helping fight crime. 
Ran and Ai are support for Shinchi in the fact that he's the main character.  But Shinchi could support Ai as well, romantically. And would be willing to support her more than Ran. Shinchi's problem with Ran is that she's clingy and too emotional for him. His arrogant self hates the nagging type. He's a whole different person around Ai. He would be willing to put a smile on Ai's face and open up a whole new world to her when the BO is vanquished. He'll show her what it means to love and for someone to care for her. He'll also be intellectually stimulating for HER. She would be with a guy just like her sister Akami was telling her to do, making her proud. They would balance each other out as far as practical views about life, finance, and ambition. The only thing I could see is Shinchi forcing himself to listen to Ran on how she feels, watch her cry, and make up some excuse as "Yeah...I gotta go on a case..." (High School, Puppy Love) vs (Adult, Profound relationship). I'm not sure if this is what you meant by everyone saying Ran and Ai support Shinchi thing....

[rushx5]

I can't agree more, soratothamax!!!

I always love the BO women the best, even Ai! I think thats why I think she's such a cool character. The whole BO is cool, everyone who was in it! And it's one of the reasons I like Ai. She acts like a member. They all have this cool thing about them, and Ai being so close to Conan just adds to the flavor. Really, that's Conan's only link to the org, especially now that Shuu is gone. Ai can sense a BO member from 500 miles away! (exaggeration). I don't think Conan would guess anyone was in the BO if Haibara didn't freak out every time she felt their strange presence. He didn't even know what Gin's car looked like! Or  didn't know Vermouth was on the bus with them in the bus incident episode.

Ha ha but you are all assuming Ai won't go back with the BO. If she does she'll be the biggest nemesis against Shinichi since she knows everything.

[Rellik]

I can't agree more, soratothamax!!!

I always love the BO women the best, even Ai! I think thats why I think she's such a cool character. The whole BO is cool, everyone who was in it! And it's one of the reasons I like Ai. She acts like a member. They all have this cool thing about them, and Ai being so close to Conan just adds to the flavor. Really, that's Conan's only link to the org, especially now that Shuu is gone. Ai can sense a BO member from 500 miles away! (exaggeration). I don't think Conan would guess anyone was in the BO if Haibara didn't freak out every time she felt their strange presence. He didn't even know what Gin's car looked like! Or  didn't know Vermouth was on the bus with them in the bus incident episode.

Ha ha but you are all assuming Ai won't go back with the BO. If she does she'll be the biggest nemesis against Shinichi since she knows everything.

why don't u give me a reason why she will go back to BO? >.>

because people tend not to join organisations that wants to kill them...

[Introuble]

replying is useless this will go on forever
btw your not answering all of my points

bottom line = aixconan wont happen/supa low chance

[Introuble]

coxai fans main point = feelings can change > with shinxran i dont think so...

other points
1) shinichi and ran dont go well together > opinion based
2) coxai better match > opinion based
3) conan is confused with his feelings towards ran > more like the other way around + no proof
4) shinxran have very little in common > Misztina explained it perfectly

shinxran fans = have all the ammo/proof/evidence....confident that shinxran will happen = find it pointless do fight back because the final pairing is obvious.....well im one of those who like to fight
main point/other points = too much

[Rellik]

well at least it will go on til the end of DC, but not forever

the point is that right now coai doesn't seem to be developing much, but even i find it obvious that sooner or later it will.

sure the evidence for shinxran is overwhelming, but it doesn't prove that coai won't happen, all it says is 'so far shinxran is the most likely outcome'

you can say this is like a science vs religion arguement, religion has no proof whatsoever, but science can't prove it is all cr@p either.

[kaitoushinichi]

When I say intellectual level, I mean that Haibara and Conan could intellectually stimulate one another.  Shinchi is the type of person that needs that. Not to say that Ran isn't smart, but she's not an intellectual who's likes are on the basis of knowledge.  Shinchi loves to know the truth and deduct and haibara likes to give out details as well.  (Look up Intellectual in the dictionary. I just did several days ago.)
Ran is only there to interfere as the love interest. Sure, Ran has saved them many times, but if she didn't they would've found another way out because they are smart and usually do even without Ran.  In those particular scenerios, she chose to interfere, which could've have really put her in more danger. So, yeah Ran's not very important.  
i do agree that she was more important without the BO involved in the series, or like you said its more recognizable that she is just the love interest.  Quite frankly she wasn't that important then.
Shinchi doesn't want a normal life, people.  Being a detective is not normal. its not like he HAS to be a detective just to have a job. He doesn't even work for money! He enjoys being a detective and Ran would hold him back from his dream! On her part, she needs to think wisely about getting with someone who's not even in her same realm of passion.
I'm sure Ai knows how to cook and clean because she's lived by herself before. Ran could never go on cases with Shinchi...she'd be in the way, passing out or crying. Ai could still provide financially, mentally, and care for shinchi with a cool head on her shoulders.  At the same time work WITH Shinchi.  They could even cook and clean together, as their work schedules would be about the same and it would give them more time together.  Its just a perfect match.  ;) Dr. Agasa can be their kids' grandpa. 

In my opinion, this just adds as one more reason for liking ShinxRan. When Haibara gives little details, she usually only points out faults in others' thinking, or she points out the negative sides of life. I rather like that personality, but not as a lover for Shinichi.

[Soragirl6]

In my opinion, this just adds as one more reason for liking ShinxRan. When Haibara gives little details, she usually only points out faults in others' thinking, or she points out the negative sides of life. I rather like that personality, but not as a lover for Shinichi.

Haibara doesn't point out flaws, she's realistic. she's not stuck in dream land like everything is going to be okay when its really not.  That has everything to do with the way her life has always been in the BO and on the run from BO members. But the point is is that Shinchi could open the world to her. At the same time she can help him be a little more realistic about his ambitions. Her sarcastic approach is teasingly, but naturally she wants Shinchi to think about things before he jumps into conclusions, as he thinks he's always right.  If Shinchi jumped off a cliff, Ran would jump off right behind him.  Haibara would persuade him that it is dangerous to do so before he even touches the cliff. She's calm and collected, which could help humble the go for it Shinchi attitude.
Ran is too emotional, especially for a guy like him. He'd be running from Ran, himself.