Ai + Conan

[Detective Prince]

Think you're overthinking it there

[randompi314159]

Wow, extensive. Though there are a few points, that really don't change the overall thing, but I didn't think Ran's parents were divorced in the original version. I know they live separately, and couple dubs have probably considered them separated, but I remember some cases, where it is just that she decided to move out. Though that could be just me. And about Gin and Vermouth being father and mother figures to Shiho, well I guess they could be, but there's not much info about the BO.

[baka1412]

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Okay I've got another new psychological analysis again! I hope this won't be as long...

Okay, remember when I mentioned several pages ago about Ran, Shinichi, Haibara, and Ayumi's love and how they are compatible according to their backgrounds?

Okay, well I said that at infancy to age 5 or 6 children are heavily influenced by their parents' actions, especially ones most similar to them in gender. But by age 7, the actions of peers begin to influence the mind much more, and other outside influences, including the parent that they have more in common with.

Ran....

So, with Ran, I mentioned that from infancy to age 6 she was influenced by her parents. At that time, her parents were together. They were married, and she lived in a stable household (though there were probably occasional arguments, and her father was a detective who was often on dangerous cases). But I'm sure that they showed that they loved each other, and showed Ran that they loved her when she was younger. Her father treated her like she was his princess, I'm sure, which makes her feel confident in a man's thoughts about her looks and personality. And her mother was a wife, and a mom, so she was taught that's how women have to be. So Ran is sure that she likes marriage and wants to date, and knows how to express love properly when she gets a mate... She also knows how to nurture, and take care of others in an emotional way, and at the proper time. She has a good understanding of compassion, which is healthy.

However, when Ran turned around seven years old, her parents got divorced. Because this happened after the "parental influence" age, Ran isn't so thrilled to follow in her mother's footsteps with the divorce thing. So she clings forcefully to those she loves. Though this is a good thing sometimes, as she won't be promiscuous, it also limits her options, and keeps her in relationships that went sour when it began. Considering her mother divorced her father for obvious reasons, it doesn't give Ran good judgment in choosing because she is not sure if a man like her father is good or not, which is the basis that most females choose their mates. Ran is also looking for emotional, stable security in her relationships because of the hurt of her parents' strained relationship.

The problem is because of the need for emotional security, she will often be forcing her powerful emotions upon others if she isn't careful. She might cry to get her way in other words...to keep a hold on the relationship. She will do anything it takes to keep her emotions stable in a relationship, and that could mean anything, unlike her mother. By observing her friends' parents relationships, she seems to have come to the conclusion that she hated her mother's decision, and so is taking the opposite approach, and following in other influential another influential woman's footsteps (which could be anyone, maybe Sonoko's mom or Shinichi's). She also observes Sonoko, and learns from her how to get a mate. Shinichi has also stepped in as a possible example of a choice for a mate, instead of looking at her father as the basis of how a man should act...in fact, she actually CHOSE Shinichi as the mate....good thing he was her age...this could be good or bad, as she might idolize Shinichi and compare her father to him....

Shinichi....

Shinichi grew up in a perfectly stable home. His parents have always been there for him, together, and he's always been well taken care of, and treated like a prince by his mother. They've spoiled him rotten.  ;D So not only is Shinichi confident that he wants to date and get married without any problems, but he's confident that he can get any girl he wants. In fact, he's confident in his abilities and his actions period because of this stability in his family unit. He also knows the proper way to express love, but unlike Ran he doesn't need the emotional stability Ran does because he already gets it from his family. He is confident in relationships, and not so insecure. He's not sensitive, and easily hurt like Ran, who feels any sign of a remark could be an attack on her....He's PERFECT.  ::)

Shiho....

Shiho grew up in a household (if you can call it that) of scientists, assassins, robbers, bombers, and terrorists. She had her parents up until she was three. Now, she may not remember much about them. But she knows they liked science, so she does. She knows they feared the BO, so she does (which is different from Akemi who I believe was 7+ when her parents died. Akemi is not into science because she saw it killed her family, and she doesn't trust the BO because they were in it when it happened. also apparently she had other influences...). Haibara knew they were always together, so she knows that women marry men....but her views on a woman's role is not always to stay at home, cook, and clean only, but to work and use one's brain (the more independent woman). Which can be good, but also can make her a workaholic in her relationships, and very independent in one too, to the point she might not need a man as much as Ran does because Haibara doesn't care as much about performing domestic duties, though she is good at them.

But when she was four to seven, by that time her only influence was the BO. Her father figure was Gin, and her mother figure was Vermouth (?). And Gin was probably not a very good father, as he probably abused her, didn't feed her properly, etc. And Vermouth...not sure.  :-\  So by observing the women in her life, women are secretive ("a secret makes a woman woman..."). So it's why Haibara is so cunning, a trickster, and hides so much about who she is. Her "father figure" did not treat her like a princess, so she is at odds with boys and men, and not sure if she wants to date, though she knows men and women do from having known a little about her parents, she's just not sure how to approach the situation. And though Ai may feel love, she may not understand it or recognize it right off, and therefore is not as good as Ran and Shinichi are at expressing her love properly or openly.

She is emotionally strained, which is opposite Ran, because Ai was forced not to show all of her emotions, unlike Ran who was allowed to cry when something was bothering her. So Ai isn't overflowing with emotions, neither does she use them to keep a stable relationship because she's been taught by assassins that getting too close is too sticky, because you never know when you have to kill them, or when someone else kills them, then emotion clouds judgment. Also, she's been taught that getting into relationships interferes with more important matters on the job (whatever those matters may be in the BO). She's been taught to be focused. However, mentally she is unstable because of the abuse within the BO. She has paranoia. She is paranoid of people she isn't familiar with, and probably is in fear of the color black...Melanophobia. She hates guns, she hates criminals, she hates crime...though she's learning now to fight crime if she hates it...This could make her very picky in relationships....but oddly when she does find the right one, she will be too shy and down on herself to tell him, and might let someone she truly loves slips by. She might not feel worthy enough to have love...though she may be at the moment getting it, and doesn't even realize it because the expression of it has been twisted in the BO, her twisted "parents".

But with Ai's new friends, she's learning from other outside influences. She is learning how to express love, how to warm her heart, and she is learning what type of man she should be interested in from looking at examples like Agasa and Shinichi. Very rarely do those younger people influence the older as heavily when it comes to finding examples of good mates...so unfortunately for AixMitsu fans, Ai would not look at Mitsuhiko as an example of how a marriage mate should look.....If she chose Mitsu, it's because she was examining someone like Agasa and Shinichi who were smart, and decided smart boys were the way to go...And this is because Ai is really 18 in her brain. Now if she was really 7-8 years old, Mitsu would have had an influence on that....but she's not so...

Also, unfortunately, Ai would not be influenced by Ayumi's way of wooing males...but more-so Ran or Sonoko or Yukiko who seem to be the only women in her life that are her age and older. So Ai would probably imitate them and their ways of getting a mate to like her...if she can get passed her past experiences...

Ayumi....

This is for our Ayumi fan, it's only fair.  ;) Ayumi also grew up in a stable home. From infancy to age 6, she learned that being in a domestic family unit, and being a loving wife is the way a woman should be. So she's pretty much good. Her parents treat her like a princess, and give her a lot of freedom like Shinichi. Of course, now that's she's seven or eight, her peers have much more of an influence on her choices. She looks to boys like Genta, Mitsu, and Conan to make her choices for future mates: basically, detectives. And rash boys too, who are fun and adventurous. She also likes them smart, which Conan really has the whole package. She observes Haibara, and her reactions as well, and she observes Ran and Sonoko now that she met them....

This leads me to my final conclusion again...Shinichi x Ayumi make the best pair...

Shinichi x Ran would be okay, if Ran wasn't so emotionally insecure, and Shinichi wasn't so overconfident in himself (spoiled kids often are  ::) ). Ran would have to get a grip of herself and develop some independence and Shinichi will need to develop more sensitivity and compassion, and more of an open mind and understanding in the "benevolent woman", as Ran has been raised to be.

Shinichi x Shiho...it would be hard to say. They would have to get an intense knowledge of one another, learn to be more compassionate, understand one another, and teach each other a few tricks. They both are cold on the outside, but the difference is that coldness Shinichi has comes from being overconfident and having to deal with evil through justice. Ai's cold demeanor comes from being raised to be cold, but really having emotional trauma. Both have the ability to turn it off, but when they do....Shinichi's will be soothing....and Ai's will be intense... (which is why I believe Ai is a Scorpio because a Taurus's opposite is Scorpio...) Don't get me wrong, I love this pairing, this is just an honest analysis. In fact, this is the reason I love it so much....

Well, guess it ended up being long anyway...sorry...

I think i fall in love with you 

[Conia]

Is it that surprising? Seems like its most people's mission to make this thread off topic.

Nope, that's ShinRans work ^^

@soratothamax: SUGOIIIIIIIIIIII as always
Just a little correction: Eri and Kogoro are separated, not divorced. Probably, at the age of 7, Ran couldn't differ between this 2 things, so I don't know if you are mistaken or you just overpassed that fact

P.S: I had to connect/charge my laptop's battery while reading your post 0_0

[bluekaitou1412]

I'm lucky I visited the thread just in time to read sorattm's post...

[Detective Prince]

I'm lucky I visited the thread just in time to read sorattm's post...

Really lucky

[AICHAN]

yeah!!!sorathothamax is back with her "short" posts

sorry i only read half of it,but it seems interesting...but there're some points which aren't detailed in the manga..for example,i don't know if shiho was 3 when her parents died...so i don't know if she really observed them before they die...

moreover,i don't think that Gin and vermouth were close to Shiho when she was a child...i think she knew them when she was a bit older,probably when she started to work with them...

[Detective Prince]

Where's TheBlind =/

[xGinx]

Where's TheBlind =/

We miss him!! (Mostly we miss his long posts) 

[AICHAN]

Where's TheBlind =/

yeah,i miss him and his crazy theories

[xGinx]

Where's TheBlind =/

yeah,i miss him and his crazy theories

LOL at the second quote xD

[Conia]

He's probably vacationing here:

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[xGinx]

Or here:

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LOL xD /jk

[Detective Prince]

Or here:

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LOL xD /jk

Lmfao epic win

[soratothamax]

Wow, extensive. Though there are a few points, that really don't change the overall thing, but I didn't think Ran's parents were divorced in the original version. I know they live separately, and couple dubs have probably considered them separated, but I remember some cases, where it is just that she decided to move out. Though that could be just me. And about Gin and Vermouth being father and mother figures to Shiho, well I guess they could be, but there's not much info about the BO.

Those were guesses....I don't know who raised her. But regardless, she was raised by a BO member. She said she never received any dolls like Akemi at a young age. Also in the Locked Bathroom Murder case I think I remember some of the order of the tapes....But it certainly wasn't after the age of 11....so she was practically raised by the BO, which is obvious.

Is it that surprising? Seems like its most people's mission to make this thread off topic.

Nope, that's ShinRans work ^^

@soratothamax: SUGOIIIIIIIIIIII as always
Just a little correction: Eri and Kogoro are separated, not divorced. Probably, at the age of 7, Ran couldn't differ between this 2 things, so I don't know if you are mistaken or you just overpassed that fact

P.S: I had to connect/charge my laptop's battery while reading your post 0_0

Overlooked it....it's the same to me, and has the same (if not worse) affect on a child...

lol charge your battery! lol sorry  :-[

yeah!!!sorathothamax is back with her "short" posts

sorry i only read half of it,but it seems interesting...but there're some points which aren't detailed in the manga..for example,i don't know if shiho was 3 when her parents died...so i don't know if she really observed them before they die...

moreover,i don't think that Gin and vermouth were close to Shiho when she was a child...i think she knew them when she was a bit older,probably when she started to work with them...

As said above.....that was a guess. Anyone could've raised her. So it had to be the BO, and it COULD be Gin or Vermouth, I don't know, but somebody did. Somebody fed her and clothed her and sent her to school when her parents were gone. I believe she said her parents died a little after she was born....And Akemi was five at the last time she was seen with her parents. I'm not certain if Ai was born, but by then her parents were in the organization, so they were not her only "household influences" from infancy to 6. The BO probably played a hand as well in the "raising". Now akemi, who lived a normal life, didn't get as much influence from the BO.