Ai + Conan

[kanata09]

Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone!
how many AixCon fans used to be ShinxRan fans in here?  There's probably some AixCon turned ShinxRan too... but I wonder which has a higher number...

you're welcome

anyway,i was a shinran fan before and i turned into coai fan mostly because i found their inteartion more interesting than shinran...
i think many coai fan were shinran fans  before ai came(there wasn't a lot of choice),but i don't know many coai fan who became shinran fan(well except Ao-kun,but he's an onion,that doesn't count )...when you become an aicon fan it's impossible hard to give up on them

I'm a ShinRan fans when I watch DC in the beginning... CoAi fans when i watch DC the 2nd or 3rd time and my first contact with DC manga/special edition manga..... now.... just a normal DC fans (love Conan to the point of loving is CV/action/etc. ....)

[Girl19]

Hmm..  how many AixCon fans used to be ShinxRan fans in here?  There's probably some AixCon turned ShinxRan too... but I wonder which has a higher number...

I never was a ShinRan fan, and probably will never be. When I was younger, I wasn't interested in love relationships in the DC universe, I was neutral and all that matters were the cases/mysteries. However, a few years ago, when I finally knew about Haibara's existence, I instantly became fan of hers and started focusing on her relationships with the other characters, and that's when I noticed her awesome interactions with Conan, so I became an AiCon fan. Also, watching a lot of AiCon AMVs on YouTube made my AiCon love grow even more.

Cookies?  What kinds do we have?  Chocolate chips cookies, too, I hope? Yummy...

We have all kinds of cookies. I do the baking, so if you have a request, just let me know.
But as a welcome, here:

Spoiler:

but i don't know many coai fan who became shinran fan(well except Ao-kun,but he's an onion,that doesn't count )...

Ao-kun is not a ShinRan fan, he's an AiCon fan in denial.
And.. is it just me or did you call him "Ao-kun"?! THIS.IS.OUTRAGEOUS!!

[Detective Prince]

that's BAKA!! AI and Conan? don't be ridiculous!! I mean he didn't show any feelings for her right? I don't no why some of you hate Ran, I love her very much and for her waiting for shinichi shows how courageous she really is !! moreover , i agree with the ones who say that Ai will stay a child because it's the best ending for her because she found a father(Agasa) and friends, and she will be good with Mistuhiko!! The most pitiful girl is Ayumi , I think she will miss Conan a lot , but I don't no how Aoyama Gosho will make a happy ending for her!! I just wish it will be a happy ending with everyone smiling !! RAN AND SHINICHI FOREVER!! it's not that I dislike Ai, I know she's cold and sometimes arrogant but somehow I begin to love her a bit, maybe because she's too pitiful : she loses all her family members!! and don''t you think Haibara and Gin were in love before? i don't no but i have a feeling that she loved him before...lol...

I should slap you.....

THIS WAS COMEPLETE FAIL POST

AI AND CONAN FOREVER $&%^es!

[Conia]

that's BAKA!! AI and Conan? don't be ridiculous!! I mean he didn't show any feelings for her right? I don't no why some of you hate Ran, I love her very much and for her waiting for shinichi shows how courageous she really is !! moreover , i agree with the ones who say that Ai will stay a child because it's the best ending for her because she found a father(Agasa) and friends, and she will be good with Mistuhiko!! The most pitiful girl is Ayumi , I think she will miss Conan a lot , but I don't no how Aoyama Gosho will make a happy ending for her!! I just wish it will be a happy ending with everyone smiling !! RAN AND SHINICHI FOREVER!! it's not that I dislike Ai, I know she's cold and sometimes arrogant but somehow I begin to love her a bit, maybe because she's too pitiful : she loses all her family members!! and don''t you think Haibara and Gin were in love before? i don't no but i have a feeling that she loved him before...lol...

I should slap you.....

THIS WAS COMEPLETE FAIL POST

AI AND CONAN FOREVER $&%^es!

I don't see the "fail" in that post, and I'm serious...

[Detective Prince]

that's BAKA!! AI and Conan? don't be ridiculous!! I mean he didn't show any feelings for her right? I don't no why some of you hate Ran, I love her very much and for her waiting for shinichi shows how courageous she really is !! moreover , i agree with the ones who say that Ai will stay a child because it's the best ending for her because she found a father(Agasa) and friends, and she will be good with Mistuhiko!! The most pitiful girl is Ayumi , I think she will miss Conan a lot , but I don't no how Aoyama Gosho will make a happy ending for her!! I just wish it will be a happy ending with everyone smiling !! RAN AND SHINICHI FOREVER!! it's not that I dislike Ai, I know she's cold and sometimes arrogant but somehow I begin to love her a bit, maybe because she's too pitiful : she loses all her family members!! and don''t you think Haibara and Gin were in love before? i don't no but i have a feeling that she loved him before...lol...

I should slap you.....

THIS WAS COMEPLETE FAIL POST

AI AND CONAN FOREVER $&%^es!

I don't see the "fail" in that post, and I'm serious...

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[Conia]

Do you mind giving me an example of the above post of Ran that doesn't match the most posible ending for every character mentioned? (Besides the Ai and Gin stuff)

[Detective Prince]

Do you mind giving me an example of the above post of Ran that doesn't match the most posible ending for every character mentioned? (Besides the Ai and Gin stuff)

Actually I do mind. The fail part was mostly directed at the Ai and Mit part.

[Conia]

Do you mind giving me an example of the above post of Ran that doesn't match the most posible ending for every character mentioned? (Besides the Ai and Gin stuff)

Actually I do mind. The fail part was mostly directed at the Ai and Mit part.

Mitsuhiko is, imo, the best pair for Ai knowing Conan/Shinichi is engaged to Ran. As most of the AiCon have said, they prefer Ai to be alone rather than with Mitsuhiko, but he is still a kid. After 10 years we don't know how he will develop (the same can be applied to AyumixConan I guess), he could be just as smart as Shinichi at the age of 17.
In my eyes, MitsuxAi is the best pair for her if Ai stays in his body child forever

[Girl19]

As most of the AiCon have said, they prefer Ai to be alone rather than with Mitsuhiko..

That's just selfish/unfair. I'm not really a fan of MitsuAi myself, but if he becomes the only option, why not? She deserves happiness too, and Mitsu is a good boy and I'm sure he will grow really smart and kind. Those who say they'd rather see her alone/dead than with him aren't Ai fans, just AiCon fans, sadly.

[Kor]

that's BAKA!! AI and Conan? don't be ridiculous!! I mean he didn't show any feelings for her right? I don't no why some of you hate Ran, I love her very much and for her waiting for shinichi shows how courageous she really is !! moreover , i agree with the ones who say that Ai will stay a child because it's the best ending for her because she found a father(Agasa) and friends, and she will be good with Mistuhiko!! The most pitiful girl is Ayumi , I think she will miss Conan a lot , but I don't no how Aoyama Gosho will make a happy ending for her!! I just wish it will be a happy ending with everyone smiling !! RAN AND SHINICHI FOREVER!! it's not that I dislike Ai, I know she's cold and sometimes arrogant but somehow I begin to love her a bit, maybe because she's too pitiful : she loses all her family members!! and don''t you think Haibara and Gin were in love before? i don't no but i have a feeling that she loved him before...lol...

I should slap you.....

THIS WAS COMEPLETE FAIL POST

AI AND CONAN FOREVER $&%^es!

You are the one who "replies" to a posts from more than a year ago, to people who are not here anymore and you insult them for (basically) not having the same opinion as yours, and yet you dare to talk about FAIL? 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Do you mind giving me an example of the above post of Ran that doesn't match the most posible ending for every character mentioned? (Besides the Ai and Gin stuff)

I'll raise you on the issue of Shiho potentially having had some sort of relationship with Gin in the past.  Before I begin though, please for my sanity's sake, do not take this as me expressing support of Shiho/Gin; I think the pairing is pretty creepy, except maybe as an comedy crack pairing. My only goal here is to provide support that there may be canon evidence of some sort of relationship between them. (Note that I never said it was a happy or healthy relationship.)

Gin clearly knows Shiho's personality very well as he can anticipate her movements and decisions despite having rather different lines of work in the Organization. Shiho hardly knew most of the other agents in non-science related positions. She hadn't met Pisco since she was a baby, she had only heard of Korn and Chianti, and hadn't heard of Kir. Bourbon is new and thus doesn't count. Conan never asked about Tequila. Vermouth likely had a connection with Shiho's parents because of her apparent aging wonkiness despite not being in science. Gin is on the business/assassination side of things, so it is anomalous how well he seems to know her given how she doesn't know much about anyone else outside of the research branch. They clearly have a connection outside of their professions to account for knowing each other so well. They must have spent lots of time together if Gin can identify her from a single hair with conviction.

So what kind of relationship did Shiho and Gin have? There are various possible options, like childhood friends (age difference could be an issue), mutual relationship/or one sided attraction/or abuse (Age difference again is an issue as is the fact Shiho was in America until recently), mentor-mentee, etc. I didn't really think the romantic mutual relationship/or one sided attraction/or abuse option was a viable choice until I saw good retranslation of the first chapter of the Reunion with the Black Org (the Pisco case) (file 24-7 or 238, ep 176) where the translator pointed out the innuendo Gin was using. (The retranslation was by kentaru btw).
The retranslated monologue of Gin's in the dream is as follows:

"This is the end of your wanton sporting... Now, wake up from your dream... Shouldn't we celebrate our reunion with your favorite color scarlet... right, Sherry?"

The translator also had a notes page from which I will quote a relevant section:

The betrayal theme:
In Ai's dream, Gin says Sherry's favorite color is scarlet and says "her wanton sporting is over" - what does he mean by that? A scarlet woman is an immoral woman, a prostitute. Wanton sporting is the same type of insult. He accuses her, in her dreams, of being sexually unrestrained. A correct translation of those terms is vital to understand what kind of character Gin is. Not only does he call her a betrayer, he also implied (several times) they had a relationship. I'm sure most readers wonder why he thinks of her nekkid and recognizes a strand of her hair. XD

Now, add this information to Gin's description of their meeting as a "reunion", him thinking of her in the nude, and Haibara yelling "Don't touch me!" when Ayumi places her hand on Haibara's arm, snapping her out remembering her dream. Furthermore, when the two of them meet on the rooftop of the Hyde City Hotel, there are more suggestive exchanges. Gin purposefully chose not to do his job in the most efficient fashion- shooting Shiho in the chimney- but instead chose to make a special exception for her by waiting out for her on the snowy rooftop because killing her there would be, paraphrasing, more beautiful. She even gets into the act by thanking him, albeit sarcastically, for "waiting for her in the cold"; Shiho seems to purposefully be alluding to the stereotypic scenario of one lover waiting for another in poor climate. Gin also makes a comment about her disguise, the uniform and the glasses, being unsuitable for her, which carries an implication that he thinks there is some other outfit which would be more suitable. I'll leave that up to your imaginations. I'm not going to go into Gin getting all poetic about blood, snow, death flowers blooming, and other stuff.

In conclusion, I think there is significant evidence that there was something going on between them because I don't think Gin would, even though it's a dream, phrase things like that for the heck of it. The rooftop exchange seems to corroborate with Gin's dream personality. Whatever kind of relationship they did have, it couldn't have been healthy since Gin was involved in it.
And since this was a long post, let me reiterate again this I'm not supporting ShihoxGin, I'm only providing evidence that there was something going on between them.

Later Edit: A more official confirmation they may have had a relationship was given in the official guidebook Conan Drill.
This scanned page is courtesy of Khinkhun


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[Conia]

Thanks for that Chekhov. (Especially the quote)

Although I didn't sound like this in my previous post, I do think something happened between Shiho and Gin, something that leaves aside BO matters...
I wish someday all the Shiho and Gin past relationship is explained

[Girl19]

@ Chekhov: THANK YOU. I love how you analyzed the possible past GinxSherry relationship. I also didn't know about the correct translation of what Gin said in her dreams. That was.. well.. creepy, indeed. Interesting post! Which reminds me of this thread:
-> viewtopic.php?t=1835.0

Spoiler:

Before I begin though, please for my sanity's sake, do not take this as me expressing support of Shiho/Gin; I think the pairing is pretty creepy, except maybe as an comedy crack pairing.

Shame on you. /jk

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Thanks for that Chekhov. (Especially the quote)

Although I didn't sound like this in my previous post, I do think something happened between Shiho and Gin, something that leaves aside BO matters...
I wish someday all the Shiho and Gin past relationship is explained

I'm guessing that explanation will probably happen near the final confrontation when Gin's past gets light shed on it. I wonder if it will be tragic (ex: mentor-mentee relationship that collapsed when Gin's personality went south), or pure f-ed up (ex: Gin loved someone who then died, then along comes Shiho who reminds him of the dead lover and he decides to take out all his unresolved sexual tension on Shiho.) I'm holding out hope that Shiho wasn't physically molested because she seems to be OK with allowing herself to feel something for Shinichi, even if she's holding it in. If she was violated, I would think she might be afraid of her feelings for Kudo or just feel uncomfortable around men in general.

[randompi314159]

Interesting post, I've thought about Shiho's and Gin's relationship in the past, but not to that extent or deep background knowledge about words that they have said before.