SOPA law

[doublemoonlight]

a lot of you might have heard about it and right now it has gotten pritty serious as a lot of sites decided to go off line in protest: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9223496/Protests_against_SOPA_PIPA_go_viral
why is it serious? well its a law that is designed to close any website that dose not ackology copyrght of any forien source.

This means no remix of any media and even slight referencing without acknlogement of the source will get your site closed.

If it gets passed anysite weather inside USA or outside will have their sites closed down.

[Akonyl]

although SOPA/PIPA are pretty bad, it's worth noting that the main provision in them that everyone was afraid of (DNS blocking) was struck down a few days ago, followed by SOPA being indefinitely shelved, before the date of the blackout protest was actually finalized.

So, especially with the protesting going on, I don't see much actually coming from them. And not that it matters much, but there's a difference between DNS blocking and closing down a site, because the site still exists, it's just harder to access.

[Vylash]

If it gets passed anysite weather inside USA or outside will have their sites closed down.

I...highly doubt this is the case

[Callid]

although SOPA/PIPA are pretty bad, it's worth noting that the main provision in them that everyone was afraid of (DNS blocking) was struck down a few days ago, followed by SOPA being indefinitely shelved, before the date of the blackout protest was actually finalized.

So, especially with the protesting going on, I don't see much actually coming from them. And not that it matters much, but there's a difference between DNS blocking and closing down a site, because the site still exists, it's just harder to access.

That part at least is inaccurate, reddit, for example, had decided 7 days earlier, and all the other protesters (most notably, Wikipedia) merely joined in. Also, there are still other, major issues, for example the blockade on advertising, which is basically the backbone of nearly all the sites threatened to begin with, for example Google. The major problem is that SOPA basically neutralizes the safe-harbour policy of the DMCA, which is what all sites to which users can upload any form of data are based on; the DNS blocking is only one of the aspects more impossible to implement to begin with.

Also, DNS blocking does, of course, not delete a site, but all the non-savvy people do not know how to access one, and if you know how to use Tor and proxies, the site may also very well be on the Deep Web anyway (Warning: anyone who doesn't know what that is shouldn't go there). Basically, it's just like the Golden Shield - you (and me) can circumvent it, but the average web user cannot (which is funny in itself, cause pirates tend to be exactly the people who have that know-how ).

If it gets passed anysite weather inside USA or outside will have their sites closed down.

I...highly doubt this is the case

In the original draft, any site would have been rendered very difficult to reach from inside the US. Basically, it would be the Great Firewall of the United States.

[miakakiri]

a lot of you might have heard about it and right now it has gotten pritty serious as a lot of sites decided to go off line in protest: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9223496/Protests_against_SOPA_PIPA_go_viral
why is it serious? well its a law that is designed to close any website that dose not ackology copyrght of any forien source.

This means no remix of any media and even slight referencing without acknlogement of the source will get your site closed.

If it gets passed anysite weather inside USA or outside will have their sites closed down.

I beg pardon, but this is a little hard to read. Below is the same text, with the spelling/grammar corrected to American English standard.

A lot of you might have heard about it, and right now it has gotten pretty serious as a lot of sites decided to go offline in protest: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9223496/Protests_against_SOPA_PIPA_go_viral
Why is it serious? Well its a law that is designed to close any website that does not acknowledge the copyright of any foreign source.

This means no remix of any media, and even slight referencing without acknowledgement of the source will get your site closed.

If it gets passed, any site whether inside the USA or outside will have their sites closed down.

Over and above all the mentioned issues hangs the simple fact that the laws proposed are censorship, and therefore unconstitutional--being in direct violation of the First Amendment.
From http://www.archives.gov :

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

SOPA and PIPA would be an abridgment of the freedom of speech and of the press.

[Akonyl]

although SOPA/PIPA are pretty bad, it's worth noting that the main provision in them that everyone was afraid of (DNS blocking) was struck down a few days ago, followed by SOPA being indefinitely shelved, before the date of the blackout protest was actually finalized.

So, especially with the protesting going on, I don't see much actually coming from them. And not that it matters much, but there's a difference between DNS blocking and closing down a site, because the site still exists, it's just harder to access.

That part at least is inaccurate, reddit, for example, had decided 7 days earlier, and all the other protesters (most notably, Wikipedia) merely joined in.

fair enough (as I wasn't completely sure on that anyway), but that link itself makes it sound like reddit spearheaded the initiative, and unless they started that a month or two ago I doubt that's the case as I'm pretty sure wiki/google/facebook had been threatening it at that point anyway.

[doublemoonlight]

If this was to  be passed, and mind you it still has some powerful supporters, I believe it will lead to shut down of the internet that contains so called property of usa. Plus if it were to be passed who is to tell other countries will not make similer laws in the future. ( I know I'm talking about future far ahead but still.) This bill could possibly lead to the end of remix culture

oh and plus now wikipedia had blacked out for 24 hours in protest due to this law. and Parkur I meant anysite containing " property of USA ( like hollywood movie clip, USA comic strip or  clip/image of USA tv show ) will cause USA goverment to shut it down. Cause USA ( or rather its government) actually thinks themselves as protector of internet. ( oddly enough USA federal goverment is actually against it but once it gets passed there is nothing it can do other then obey the law)

just read what wiki says about this issue and tell me it is not an issue when English Wiki NEVER did anything like this in their entier history.  I kinda fear this means the bill is more likely to pass now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Learn_more

[Callid]

although SOPA/PIPA are pretty bad, it's worth noting that the main provision in them that everyone was afraid of (DNS blocking) was struck down a few days ago, followed by SOPA being indefinitely shelved, before the date of the blackout protest was actually finalized.

So, especially with the protesting going on, I don't see much actually coming from them. And not that it matters much, but there's a difference between DNS blocking and closing down a site, because the site still exists, it's just harder to access.

That part at least is inaccurate, reddit, for example, had decided 7 days earlier, and all the other protesters (most notably, Wikipedia) merely joined in.

fair enough (as I wasn't completely sure on that anyway), but that link itself makes it sound like reddit spearheaded the initiative, and unless they started that a month or two ago I doubt that's the case as I'm pretty sure wiki/google/facebook had been threatening it at that point anyway.

Indeed, reddit wasn't the first to suggest a blackout, but it was the first (major) site to actually decide on it and the date. The other participants, of course, wanted the blackout to be as effective as possible and decided to act on the same day as reddit. Basically, everyone was already discussing a blackout, but the very date was indeed spearheaded by reddit.

[mangaluva]

Since the bill would basically entail banning most of the internet, which sounds highly implausible if not outright impossible, I'm mainly following this out of curiosity about whether or not Anonymous will weigh in. The results are sure to be horrifying, hilarious, or possibly both.

[Akonyl]

Since the bill would basically entail banning most of the internet, which sounds highly implausible if not outright impossible, I'm mainly following this out of curiosity about whether or not Anonymous will weigh in. The results are sure to be horrifying, hilarious, or possibly both.

There's nothing implausible or impossible about it tbh, China already does it.

[mangaluva]

Since the bill would basically entail banning most of the internet, which sounds highly implausible if not outright impossible, I'm mainly following this out of curiosity about whether or not Anonymous will weigh in. The results are sure to be horrifying, hilarious, or possibly both.

There's nothing implausible or impossible about it tbh, China already does it.

I'm sure America will be so proud to copy China (Well, everything else comes from there, why not some legislature too?)

[Akonyl]

Since the bill would basically entail banning most of the internet, which sounds highly implausible if not outright impossible, I'm mainly following this out of curiosity about whether or not Anonymous will weigh in. The results are sure to be horrifying, hilarious, or possibly both.

There's nothing implausible or impossible about it tbh, China already does it.

I'm sure America will be so proud to copy China (Well, everything else comes from there, why not some legislature too?)

yes, and that's basically why it's being protested so heavily

I was just saying that the notion that it's nowhere near impossible to "block the internet" in the way they were planning.

[alicetama]

ARISU'S RANT RANT RANT TIME:
Okay, first up, I must say: I'm not usually a person who gets pissed off at the government, but this time I AM.

Today, I read about the whole idea of the law on Wikipedia (that page and the PIPA are around the only two pages that aren't down on Wiki currently) and I must say, the whole thing is bullcrap. Firstly, the bill goes against a part of the First Amendment, which lists 'freedom of speech' and 'freedom of expression'. A lot of people use the Internet to post about their opinions- through blogs, forums, videos, vlogs, etc. And what will happen if this law goes into command? All of that zip. Gone.

A lot of people (such as me, for example) use the Internet to listen to songs or watch shows that they like a lot, but don't have access to. Now me- I'm sure that all of you know this already, but I love Japanese music, and to me, it's the only good music these days besides for Alternative. And it would just be the death of me if I couldn't listen to my favoriter singers, or watch my favorite shows.

All in all, I guess you could say that I'm not the biggest fan of this bill. ^^ (And if I'm wrong on any official government info please forgive me, I have a C in Civics. )

[Jd-]

SOPA won't pass, but don't give up the fight. If they ever are given access to DNS blocking, the internet is done. I know they are backing off of it for now, but if they get it in any form, they will have won, and it won't just be the U.S. that's affected. It's starting here now because the U.S. has that much influence--once the precedent is set, it will spread everywhere.

[miakakiri]

@Mangaluva-san: Anonymous has already weighed in on this a few times. Here's a bit about their latest: http://www.truth-out.org/blackout-strik ... 1326918870