Is Gosho Writing Good? (Chekhov Confesses, Gosho held Prisoner in basement)

[sonoci]

Okay I understand where you might be going, but if you were a mystery writer, how would you feel if at the end of book one of a ten book set, everything you were going to do had been written down and published as a guide to your series, even before you finished writing it?

I would feel that I wasn't doing a very good job to hold up the point I was trying to make xD

Twist are okay as long as they are very very well hidden.

I guess this is where a big question comes up

What part about Okiya being Akai is not well hidden? I've seen many people who haven't read Chek's theories saying "Okiya is Bourbon for sure" or such like that. Again: she's searched, examined edited, and cited all of these theories after what must have been HOURS of work. To me, that suggests that the twist she has found is in fact well hidden, she's just taken the lengths to go and find it. Also note your own words: you say well hidden, you don't say completely hidden. However, what you seem to be getting at is that authors should completely hide away what they plan to twist in the story...which doesn't make sense to me. That actually irritates a lot of people when that happens.

Again, going back to Romeo and Juliet or Hamlet, or really any of Shakespeare's works (not to compare Gosho to Shakespeare, but there needs to be an example from a good writer to have merit) in every single one of his works there has been foreshadowing, there has been obvious things. Does that make it a bad work? Not when you do it correctly.

There's also something that Abs. said "You seem to think that Gosho reads fan theories like Chek reads DC" With how busy his schedule is, and disregarding the joke that Chek has Gosho locked away, that seems almost 100% impossible. You don't want Gosho to be influenced by fans theories and I somewhat agree that an author shouldn't try to bend things for the readers but...what if he just didn't read the theories? It's like not their existence changes his mind, it's their content and if he reads them 

[Kor]

Claiming that Gosho reads fans' theories and then changes the stories according to those theories - it's just a conspiracy theory.

[Conia]

-Insert mysterious character
-Read Chekhov's theories about him/her
-Apply them as plot development


And that kids, is how DC was created.

[Kor]

Technically, we can find out who the B.O. Boss is already. All we need to do is make Chekhov develop a theory of which character the boss is and make it sound completely logical and flawless. Then Gosho will read that theory and then he will make that character to be the boss.

Now we just need to decide which character will be the boss and then we're all set.

[Kaito Lady]

Technically, we can find out who the B.O. Boss is already. All we need to do is make Chekhov develop a theory of which character the boss is and make it sound completely logical and flawless. Then Gosho will read that theory and then he will make that character to be the boss.

Now we just need to decide which character will be the boss and then we're all set.

say, wouldnt we need to make a poll for the fans to vote whom they want to be Anokata?

[Akonyl]

Technically, we can find out who the B.O. Boss is already. All we need to do is make Chekhov develop a theory of which character the boss is and make it sound completely logical and flawless. Then Gosho will read that theory and then he will make that character to be the boss.

Now we just need to decide which character will be the boss and then we're all set.

say, wouldnt we need to make a poll for the fans to vote whom they want to be Anokata?

nah, because not all characters could have legit theories made about them being anokata that could be backed up with facts.

[Kor]

Technically, we can find out who the B.O. Boss is already. All we need to do is make Chekhov develop a theory of which character the boss is and make it sound completely logical and flawless. Then Gosho will read that theory and then he will make that character to be the boss.

Now we just need to decide which character will be the boss and then we're all set.

say, wouldnt we need to make a poll for the fans to vote whom they want to be Anokata?

Yeah, I thought about that, but the problem is that

not all characters could have legit theories made about them being anokata that could be backed up with facts.

So before a poll, I would have to figure out which characters can be in it. Or I can just PM Chekhov and ask her which characters she believe would have the most potential for being the boss.

I might really do that actually 

[Kaito Lady]

Technically, we can find out who the B.O. Boss is already. All we need to do is make Chekhov develop a theory of which character the boss is and make it sound completely logical and flawless. Then Gosho will read that theory and then he will make that character to be the boss.

Now we just need to decide which character will be the boss and then we're all set.

say, wouldnt we need to make a poll for the fans to vote whom they want to be Anokata?

Yeah, I thought about that, but the problem is that

not all characters could have legit theories made about them being anokata that could be backed up with facts.

So before a poll, I would have to figure out which characters can be in it. Or I can just PM Chekhov and ask her which characters she believe would have the most potential for being the boss.

I might really do that actually 

please do it

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I have a list of characters I don't think are the boss, but I don't have a sheet of people I think are candidates because I think the boss has not been introduced yet. Because there is so little info about the boss, I mostly stick with using the info we know to speculate about his general "parameters".

If I were to try to describe a hypothetical boss, I would say we are looking for a Japanese or half Japanese male with some tie to America or England between the ages of 60-90 who looks 23-28, 16-17, or 6-8 because he has stopped aging. Personality-wise, he is someone quiet and polite, who can lie with a smile, reads and manipulates people with ease, and has the usual detective sharp observant personality, but is probably good enough that an observer would not notice he was doing it. If he is a kid, chances are he will be slightly taller than Conan (is there ever a villain shorter than the hero?) and is sort of like a male Haibara (vs. Conan) in that his "voice" is almost always adultlike. He would dress sharply in a more traditional sense, and would carry a gun. He probably also has a good sized library and reads detective novels and classics like Sherlock Holmes, Night Baron, etc.
I think the boss had some relation to a case involving Mouri Kogoro or his family at some point in time, possibly related to why Kogoro became a police officer, or is a Mouri himself. The reason why is because it would be odd story-structure wise to not have all of the three main characters (Kogoro, Ran, Shinichi) significantly involved in the final plot, Gosho likes to connect people in the past (childhood friends, past meetings prior to storyline via school or job, but also coincidental [Heiji-Shinichi, Kaitou Kid-Shinichi, Akai-Vermouth-Ran-Shinichi, Yukiko-Kaitou Kid-Vermouth, Agasa-Miyanos, etc.]), and the Mouri family non-romance history is noticeably blank.
The boss likely has a tragic backstory, but don't expect him to be redeemable. The person he is closest to is Vermouth, but they have grown more distant emotionally from each other as Vermouth's cynicism set in over the years. They probably were in the same age-stopping accident together. I would not be surprised if Vermouth is the boss's senior age-wise and in their past relationship, but that has changed as the boss surpassed Vermouth in intelligence, strategy, and leadership.

Summary - an evil foil of Conan or Shinichi, but more experienced and cold.

If you want a list of known-to-exist characters I think have a chance of being the boss, I'd go with...
Vermouth's Husband
Any minor 1 shot character whose personality or actions do not blatantly contradict with being the boss, like building gold mansions.

That's it. Most of the other known characters have personality conflicts or are implied to have them based on the people they married to/associate with, did not try to avoid detectives in their personal space, or have seen Haibara.

[Stopwatch]

...Hakuba's Anokata?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Well the time is fast aporching where many will looks like fools. Beware when author say might be something. Be sure that they are miss leading you and getting you to follow a false path. Beware when authors toss you a bone at the right time. Know that that bone is a fish called a red herring. Authors simple do not just give their clues away, and might even change the way they were going to do things simply to show the reader who controls the story.Beware the wide path that many take to this doom or fooldom. Instead that the path that is narrow and twisty. The one with rocks and hardship in it path. Stay true to that path and find the truth. Do not depend on those who may lead you astray. And remember the path you take you might get stuck with. Beware. I still think most by blindly following Chekhov are head for disillusionment. I am not saying to go my way of thought or not. I am just warning to be prepared to be sadden when things turn out different then you thought.

Pseudo-biblical apocalyptic prophecy flavor.

Anyway, if the Bourbon arc turns out pretty much like how I said it would - people's identities, etc. - for your own sake, I hope you will reread some of our past debates and reflect on how you formed conclusions and came up with standards of what you think is likely and makes sense.

/too lazy to edit into previous post

[kkslider5552000]

Pseudo-biblical apocalyptic prophecy flavor.

I miss those doritos!

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Pseudo-biblical apocalyptic prophecy flavor.

I miss those doritos!

They were too spicy and the expiration date was never reliable.

[kkslider5552000]

Pseudo-biblical apocalyptic prophecy flavor.

I miss those doritos!

They were too spicy and the expiration date was never reliable.

no, I was talking about the 3D ones.

miss those. A great contribution to society!

[Akonyl]

Pseudo-biblical apocalyptic prophecy flavor.

I miss those doritos!

They were too spicy and the expiration date was never reliable.

really? I always thought they were sinfully good.