Random Poll of the Day! (89)

[Akonyl]

Spoiler: completely inappropriate joke

"My grandfather died in a KZ, you know?"
"Really? I'm terribly sorry."
"Yeah" He was drunk and fell from the watchtower"

not to continue this whole line of discussion much longer, but what's the abbreviation KZ for? I mean, I know what it is in english as I've heard the joke before, but I'm curious here.

[Dus]

Konzentrationslager.

[Kor]

Kor seems to like the number 88=> 88 is a chiffre for Heil Hitler! => Kor is a nazi!
It all makes sense now! not

.........no.......I don't accept such thing, even in a joking matter  >:(
Not only that my grandparents were in the holocaust, but also the fact that I'm german and in middle-school, there was someone who always called me nazi.
I'm leaving this place and never coming back!

Spoiler:

Is what I would have said a year ago when I still took the internet seriously 

Oh noes! A German calling a Jew a nazi and it actually went awry! I could never have foreseen this.

I was hoping you have learned not to take the internet serious
I still apologize, I didn't know you're grandparents died in the holocaust.
I don't evenexpect this to turn into the following joke in this case:

Spoiler: completely inappropriate joke

"My grandfather died in a KZ, you know?"
"Really? I'm terribly sorry."
"Yeah" He was drunk and fell from the watchtower"

Haven't you read the spoiler? I didn't take it seriously at all  (and my grandparents didn't die in the holocaust. They survived it, but still were very much near death)

BUT, from experience, I wouldn't use the word "nazi" so lightly, because you might hurt someone (if you said that to a jew who didn't know you were joking, the reply wouldn't have been nice). Some of us (jews) don't mind to joke over the issue a bit (it isn't a joke, but thanks to the education system in Israel........I'll go back to it in a second*), but some find it a very delicate issue. If you are familiar with the scene from The Fall with Hitler shouting at everyone and people insert subtitles to make it funny, some Israeli dude also did that and inserted hebrew subtitles and made Hitler whine about not finding a parking spot in Tel-Aviv. I personally didn't really mind, but some Holocaust survivors made some noise about how this is offending and innappropiate.
Bottom line, some will joke with you, some can get really nasty. When I was in Germany before a few weeks, I also laughed about the same thing with one of my german friends (non-jew).

*I'm half german, so I was immune to the brainwash in the education. But I found that a lot of the media (movies/TV) and the teachers, tried to make us hate the germans. They didn't bother to say "not all the germans were guilty" or "not all the germans were nazis" even once, which bothered me a lot through school. Especially on the early stages of childhood, when the teachers don't let you know that the germans of today are not nazis.
I've seen proof that this brainwashing actually works. Many people I met hate germans for no reason and use the holocaust as an excuse for their hate.
It's sad though, because Germany is now one of the most tolerant country in the world, while Israel clearly isn't.

definitely. How could I have not seen that he was a jewish nazi earlier?

The saddest thing is (if some of my friends knew I was writing this, they might want to kill me.....) that lately some of the ministers in the government in Israel are walking in the path to nazism, so in the future, the term "jewish nazi" might catch on.
I also know some people who declare with no shame that they think all the arabs deserve no rights and should be killed. I don't try to debate much with these sort of people, because they are clearly people who don't welcome any different opinion, but when I tell them that I believe that all humans should be treated equally, they say that arabs aren't human, they are just crap.



Ok, enough from me about the subject......

[nomemory]

When we read about world war II i middle school my teacher always said the Germans not the Nazis, in high school however I had a different teacher and he said Nazis.

[phreak_91]

Another poll that is rather one-sided. I'll go with Off topic. General discussion would be my second choice.

[Dus]

Haven't you read the spoiler? I didn't take it seriously at all  (and my grandparents didn't die in the holocaust. They survived it, but still were very much near death)

BUT, from experience, I wouldn't use the word "nazi" so lightly, because you might hurt someone (if you said that to a jew who didn't know you were joking, the reply wouldn't have been nice). Some of us (jews) don't mind to joke over the issue a bit (it isn't a joke, but thanks to the education system in Israel........I'll go back to it in a second*), but some find it a very delicate issue.

I know I was walking a terribly thin line here, that's why I still apologized. Even if you know I was joking, I might still have made you feel uneasy (or other jews reading this). I knew enough about you to know you would be able to take it in stride.
Personally, I think it's better to make jokes about Hitler and the nazis than to taboo the subject.

If you are familiar with the scene from The Fall with Hitler shouting at everyone and people insert subtitles to make it funny, some Israeli dude also did that and inserted hebrew subtitles and made Hitler whine about not finding a parking spot in Tel-Aviv. I personally didn't really mind, but some Holocaust survivors made some noise about how this is offending and innappropiate.
Bottom line, some will joke with you, some can get really nasty. When I was in Germany before a few weeks, I also laughed about the same thing with one of my german friends (non-jew).

The English title is Downfall. I never found those parodies funny, they just don't work if you understand the audio. And I often think that people in general and Jews in particular (because playing the holocaust card is fairly easy) are easily offended. Some people just can't tell the difference between innocent joking/satire and when people are abusing freedom of speech to insult people just because they're morons/arseholes. (Quran burnings)

*I'm half german, so I was immune to the brainwash in the education. But I found that a lot of the media (movies/TV) and the teachers, tried to make us hate the germans. They didn't bother to say "not all the germans were guilty" or "not all the germans were nazis" even once, which bothered me a lot through school. Especially on the early stages of childhood, when the teachers don't let you know that the germans of today are not nazis.
I've seen proof that this brainwashing actually works. Many people I met hate germans for no reason and use the holocaust as an excuse for their hate.
It's sad though, because Germany is now one of the most tolerant country in the world, while Israel clearly isn't.

And here I was, thinking the relationship between Germany and Israel has actually improved quite a lot. We're not as tolerant as we'd like to believe either, though. It's just not socially acceptable to be openly racist over here.  And the population over the age 75 is still somewhat under the influence of Nazi brainwashing. *cough* my gradnmother *cough*

The saddest thing is (if some of my friends knew I was writing this, they might want to kill me.....) that lately some of the ministers in the government in Israel are walking in the path to nazism, so in the future, the term "jewish nazi" might catch on.
I also know some people who declare with no shame that they think all the arabs deserve no rights and should be killed. I don't try to debate much with these sort of people, because they are clearly people who don't welcome any different opinion, but when I tell them that I believe that all humans should be treated equally, they say that arabs aren't human, they are just crap.

Ok, enough from me about the subject......

*is reminded of commie-nazis and the simpsons*
And this, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why it will be quite a long time till the conflict in the Middle East is resolved. Too much slander on each side and the fact that the West is unable to take an unbiased view as well.

While we're on the topic of hypocrisy:
I read about the holocaust survivor who's campaining against the erection of a "ground-zero mosque".
Seriously? You think having been persecuted because of your religion gives you the right to prevent others from practising their religion?

You probably didn't expect the thread to go this way when you made the poll

[alicetama]

It's offtopic.

[Eve]

You know what's funny? This poll is in the Off Topic section XD so people who doesn't like it would even see this poll
so....

Take the total who voted, subtracted it from the total members, and you'll get the result of people who do not like Off Topic LOL

[pofa]

I feel sorry for the general discussion board with all its incendiary super-fun contests and polls. D: I gave it a vote.

[Detective Tommy]

Off-Topic.
Duh.

[Kor]

And here I was, thinking the relationship between Germany and Israel has actually improved quite a lot. We're not as tolerant as we'd like to believe either, though. It's just not socially acceptable to be openly racist over here.  And the population over the age 75 is still somewhat under the influence of Nazi brainwashing. *cough* my gradnmother *cough*

The relationship between Germany and Israel is, indeed, great. However a lot of the people in Israel are still looking at the past and point their fingers. Again though, I believe this is partly due to the brainwashing education, either that, or it comes from ignorance, which I have also seen in some people. And some people are simply people who hate and there is nothing we can do about it.

While we're on the topic of hypocrisy:
I read about the holocaust survivor who's campaining against the erection of a "ground-zero mosque".
Seriously? You think having been persecuted because of your religion gives you the right to prevent others from practising their religion?

Yep, pure hypocrisy.
Some of these people do, in fact, think that they are something special, and that having survived the holocaust gives them the right to criticize everything. Sure yeah, they survived while many others died, they've been through a lot, so we can use their wisdom on some stuff, but not on stuff like this.
Religion is the biggest motive here.