how does gosho invent's a new case each week?

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elfboy wrote: Back to the subject for a second...

I figure that he designs the mysteries pretty much as most writers do in coming up with stories. You have your idea/concept, come up with characters, plot out the structure of both how the crime happened and how the crime is solved, and throw in endless complications to make it seem impossible to be solved.

A simple example:

Start -> Crime Scene (Concept) -> How crime was committed (part of Plot structure) -> Criminal & suspects (Characters) -> Clues, Alibis and Red Herrings (Complications)

an example:

Start -> A famous race team owner is found inside a 'cursed' GT car engine compartment -> the victim 'drowned' -> Murderer is Victim's Son, Suspect is Rival Race Team Owner -> Son's alibi is he was on the racetrack when his father was killed.

You include at least one other suspect who has a more obvious motive (dead race team owner sabotaged rival team owner's race car, resulting in death of rival team's driver, which resulted in sponsors pulling out and the rival team facing bankruptcy).

Then you pretty much work out all the kinks in the story, like how the victim was killed e.g: victim drowned in ethanol (race car fuel). The son killed his father for bringing disrepute to racing/ killing his racing idol (motive) -- by hiding him in the car and tampering the fuel line so when the car is refueled (per order of the son to his pit crew), the fuel flows into the father's mouth rather than the tank.

You get the idea. Give it a cool sounding case name (The Case Of The Devil's Race Car) and you're good to go.
But don'tyou think the tricks in the crimes would be hard to think of? It's like he's rewinding the crime and remaking every step over again.
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elfboy wrote: Back to the subject for a second...

I figure that he designs the mysteries pretty much as most writers do in coming up with stories. You have your idea/concept, come up with characters, plot out the structure of both how the crime happened and how the crime is solved, and throw in endless complications to make it seem impossible to be solved.

A simple example:

Start -> Crime Scene (Concept) -> How crime was committed (part of Plot structure) -> Criminal & suspects (Characters) -> Clues, Alibis and Red Herrings (Complications)

an example:

Start -> A famous race team owner is found inside a 'cursed' GT car engine compartment -> the victim 'drowned' -> Murderer is Victim's Son, Suspect is Rival Race Team Owner -> Son's alibi is he was on the racetrack when his father was killed.

You include at least one other suspect who has a more obvious motive (dead race team owner sabotaged rival team owner's race car, resulting in death of rival team's driver, which resulted in sponsors pulling out and the rival team facing bankruptcy).

Then you pretty much work out all the kinks in the story, like how the victim was killed e.g: victim drowned in ethanol (race car fuel). The son killed his father for bringing disrepute to racing/ killing his racing idol (motive) -- by hiding him in the car and tampering the fuel line so when the car is refueled (per order of the son to his pit crew), the fuel flows into the father's mouth rather than the tank.

You get the idea. Give it a cool sounding case name (The Case Of The Devil's Race Car) and you're good to go.
Yes, it's as simple as that! Now I shall stop praising Aoyama.
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His creating of murder tricks is what amazing with him. For me.
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Girl19 wrote:
elfboy wrote: Back to the subject for a second...

I figure that he designs the mysteries pretty much as most writers do in coming up with stories. You have your idea/concept, come up with characters, plot out the structure of both how the crime happened and how the crime is solved, and throw in endless complications to make it seem impossible to be solved.

A simple example:

Start -> Crime Scene (Concept) -> How crime was committed (part of Plot structure) -> Criminal & suspects (Characters) -> Clues, Alibis and Red Herrings (Complications)

an example:

Start -> A famous race team owner is found inside a 'cursed' GT car engine compartment -> the victim 'drowned' -> Murderer is Victim's Son, Suspect is Rival Race Team Owner -> Son's alibi is he was on the racetrack when his father was killed.

You include at least one other suspect who has a more obvious motive (dead race team owner sabotaged rival team owner's race car, resulting in death of rival team's driver, which resulted in sponsors pulling out and the rival team facing bankruptcy).

Then you pretty much work out all the kinks in the story, like how the victim was killed e.g: victim drowned in ethanol (race car fuel). The son killed his father for bringing disrepute to racing/ killing his racing idol (motive) -- by hiding him in the car and tampering the fuel line so when the car is refueled (per order of the son to his pit crew), the fuel flows into the father's mouth rather than the tank.

You get the idea. Give it a cool sounding case name (The Case Of The Devil's Race Car) and you're good to go.
Yes, it's as simple as that! Now I shall stop praising Aoyama.
We discovered his secret. Now there's nothing to praise him for. ;D
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I don't think it's a secret.

*a G. Aoyama supporter*

:D
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Don't get me wrong. I greatly admire all mystery writers (ALL, even the cheesy ones) in how they come up with the mystery and how they present it so that you're really kept guessing until the end. I especially love the ones where everything is presented but nothing makes sense until the detective flips the perspective and everything clicks.

I'm not a mystery writer, but it was a question on how a new case is invented, so I thought I'd try and answer that question. A lot of thought and planning goes into making good mysteries obviously, and the science/physics must be believable to enhance the mystery. I know for sure it's not easy at all -- just that it gets a little easier with experience and when you have a reliable work method for telling the story.

I just gave a 'simplistic' example as to how I would come up with a mystery should I be half-assed motivated to actually write one. Which I'm not, because I'm not good at writing mysteries. I can come up with ideas, but I don't have the ability to keep you guessing until the very end. :)

One of the writing 'truisms' (which is a generalization that doesn't apply to all cases, but is accepted as gospel) is that to write your story, you must know your ending. I do think though that this is very relevant to writing mysteries, in that what you need first is (at least an idea of) the ending -- whodunnit, how they dunnit, and why they dunnit. Then you can lead the reader down every dead end, but at the end still have a story that is resolved satisfactorily because you know what you're working towards.
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Carefully.

Carefully is how he invents a new case each week.
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kkslider5552000 wrote: Carefully.

Carefully is how he invents a new case each week.
And he also has an abnormal ability to think of those fishing line tricks.  :o
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Could it be first-hand experience?
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Umandsf wrote: Could it be first-hand experience?

That's what I thought at first. ;D
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Well, judging from what I've analyzed from his many replies to fanmail:

Aoyama-sensei does think up most of his mysteries himself, and he spends a LOT of time working on DC. (According to him, when he's in the middle of work, he can only sleep 3 hours a night!)

When he doesn't come up with any ideas, he says that he plays around, sleeps, or watches movies for some ideas... But he also says that when he does come up with good stuff, it can take from 5 seconds to 18 hours to think up the mystery, tricks, codes, hints, and all that other stuff.
Umandsf wrote: Could it be first-hand experience?
Actually, he says (just writing this from memory) "I would be a detective if I could, but I just don't have the physical ability to... and I lack sleep :P"

He also claims that he ran into a case once! (Apparently, he was out sketching scenery, and a car crash happened right in front of him, so the police came and questioned him about the crash... :D)
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elfboy wrote: Back to the subject for a second...

I figure that he designs the mysteries pretty much as most writers do in coming up with stories. You have your idea/concept, come up with characters, plot out the structure of both how the crime happened and how the crime is solved, and throw in endless complications to make it seem impossible to be solved.

A simple example:

Start -> Crime Scene (Concept) -> How crime was committed (part of Plot structure) -> Criminal & suspects (Characters) -> Clues, Alibis and Red Herrings (Complications)

an example:

Start -> A famous race team owner is found inside a 'cursed' GT car engine compartment -> the victim 'drowned' -> Murderer is Victim's Son, Suspect is Rival Race Team Owner -> Son's alibi is he was on the racetrack when his father was killed.

You include at least one other suspect who has a more obvious motive (dead race team owner sabotaged rival team owner's race car, resulting in death of rival team's driver, which resulted in sponsors pulling out and the rival team facing bankruptcy).

Then you pretty much work out all the kinks in the story, like how the victim was killed e.g: victim drowned in ethanol (race car fuel). The son killed his father for bringing disrepute to racing/ killing his racing idol (motive) -- by hiding him in the car and tampering the fuel line so when the car is refueled (per order of the son to his pit crew), the fuel flows into the father's mouth rather than the tank.

You get the idea. Give it a cool sounding case name (The Case Of The Devil's Race Car) and you're good to go.
Wow so that is how he dose it. So now if I ever get to writing a fanfic I know how to plan out the case :)
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Your right When I was reading Shrlock homes I notice some simerlritys DC. I think I even heard that Gosho has an ending for DC.  ??? -Its probley all in his mind___________ :-X

AaaHhh............... I wish I could write mysterys insaid of just drawing them  :P
I have so many storys i want to write.... but I bad at spelling -_- I even made up a detective-Thief-hero like story before I sarted reading DC
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The fact that not everyone (or not almost everyone) can make mind-boggling cases makes G. Aoyama gives my praise to him.
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