Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

[El Huesudo II]

I pretty much agree with this. I like Kaito, but only at the absolute most do I want him having a minor role. If it was major......guhhh

In before he's the one disguised as Kogoro and "acting weird". Then, at the end of the case, surprise surprise, Kogoro never got in the train to begin with, Kaito just runs away swearing to never impersonate him again, "it's just asking for trouble".

[Jecka]

I pretty much agree with this. I like Kaito, but only at the absolute most do I want him having a minor role. If it was major......guhhh

In before he's the one disguised as Kogoro and "acting weird". Then, at the end of the case, surprise surprise, Kogoro never got in the train to begin with, Kaito just runs away swearing to never impersonate him again, "it's just asking for trouble".

Has Kid ever been disguised as a person more than once? If not, then this would be the first. But I don't think he's Kogoro. I think Kid will be a minor character, mostly because that's how it usually is anyway. He's only been Kogoro, Nakumori, Ran, anyone else major?

[sonoci]

edit: I hope you don't mind, sonoci, that I borrowed this for my avatar

I don't mind  I got a good laugh out of it, actually 

[ShinRan4ver]

I pretty much agree with this. I like Kaito, but only at the absolute most do I want him having a minor role. If it was major......guhhh

In before he's the one disguised as Kogoro and "acting weird". Then, at the end of the case, surprise surprise, Kogoro never got in the train to begin with, Kaito just runs away swearing to never impersonate him again, "it's just asking for trouble".

Has Kid ever been disguised as a person more than once? If not, then this would be the first. But I don't think he's Kogoro. I think Kid will be a minor character, mostly because that's how it usually is anyway. He's only been Kogoro, Nakumori, Ran, anyone else major?

He disguised as Suzuki Jirokichi in the Miracle Air Walk case & Takagi in the 4 Master Piece Painting case.

I seen this mentioned in the spoiler free topic  by Profparanoia but not here. Shiho stopped by the Room where the victim & the murder weapon was, and there is no clear evidence that it was collected before the smoke scared everyone away. So in this case either Amuro or Shiho could be armed with that gun and it might be fired by one of those two at some point in the next few files.

[Leuconoe]

sonoci & Kleene Onigiri have the best little drawings. It's like a cherry on top of the plot-ice cream.

[Jecka]

I pretty much agree with this. I like Kaito, but only at the absolute most do I want him having a minor role. If it was major......guhhh

In before he's the one disguised as Kogoro and "acting weird". Then, at the end of the case, surprise surprise, Kogoro never got in the train to begin with, Kaito just runs away swearing to never impersonate him again, "it's just asking for trouble".

Has Kid ever been disguised as a person more than once? If not, then this would be the first. But I don't think he's Kogoro. I think Kid will be a minor character, mostly because that's how it usually is anyway. He's only been Kogoro, Nakumori, Ran, anyone else major?

He disguised as Suzuki Jirokichi in the Miracle Air Walk case & Takagi in the 4 Master Piece Painting case.

:O How could I forget about Takagi? especially at the end of that ep XD

[gryxyz]

Kid shouldn't show up in BO cases and I think he won't.

Actually I believe that the smoke will prevent Okyia/Akai from being recognized (in a world where a door can be openend with  mirrors inside and nobody notices that, np) and nobody else than Conan and Yukiko will know who he really is.
Also it would be interesting to know if Akai knows that Conan = Shinichi, to my knowledge it has never been pointed out to him?

It's weird Seras was knocked out so early, also a clue that nobody will notice Okiya=Akai after this case.

[s.pel]

Kid shouldn't show up in BO cases and I think he won't.

Actually I believe that the smoke will prevent Okyia/Akai from being recognized (in a world where a door can be openend with  mirrors inside and nobody notices that, np) and nobody else than Conan and Yukiko will know who he really is.
Also it would be interesting to know if Akai knows that Conan = Shinichi, to my knowledge it has never been pointed out to him?

It's weird Seras was knocked out so early, also a clue that nobody will notice Okiya=Akai after this case.

actually, it has been shown that akai discovered conan's secret identity. and, I think that amuro will not be fooled by some smoke...

[James Moriarty]

The more I think about the case, the more I guess that Ai will try to take the gun that is left in the victims hand when the smoke grenades start to go off.
But since the BO already prepared that room the gun might begone or out of ammo That trolling at it's best - to give Ai a gun with an empty magazine.

Also, the first time I saw Ai running to the victim's cabin I thought of Ran. She's missing in that last episode and I'd like her to do some action. An irrational part of mine wants her to be Ai in disguise^^ But that's pretty improbable since she was seen with Agasa, when all the passengers escape from the fake fire.

About the special guest - it probably is Okiya/Akai, but it also might be Jodie, Camel or someone else from the FBI - or even Heiji. If it is a special character, that Vermouth is allowed to see, it can't be Akai - at least not without disguise.
So Imo Akai will try to operate as Akai and the special guest is maybe someone else.

Regarding the Kid-speculation I'm one of the readers, who wants Kid to be on this train, too. He won't have a big role anyways and I thought it might be Kogoro, too. But this can't be right now. He smoked (which might be a fake cigarette), I don't think Kid would disguise again as Kogoro and Kid would not like to be shut down by Conan's tranquilizer.

[El Huesudo II]

Also it would be interesting to know if Akai knows that Conan = Shinichi, to my knowledge it has never been pointed out to him?

If we keep considering Okiya is Akai, then yeah, he knows; even if it hadn't been teased before, the fact that he's in a tag team with Shinichi's mother herself and that they're taking the APTX4869 and its antidote into account for their plans would imply that he's in on the secret. Anything else would be uncharacteristic of a character with his level of intelligence and data gathering.

About the special guest - it probably is Okiya/Akai, but it also might be Jodie, Camel or someone else from the FBI - or even Heiji. If it is a special character, that Vermouth is allowed to see, it can't be Akai - at least not without disguise.
So Imo Akai will try to operate as Akai and the special guest is maybe someone else.

I don't think the special guest has to be someone who Vermouth can/should witness herself. That was simply a little taunt by Yukiko, she was basically saying "we have someone on our side that can give us one hell of an advantage". And it's kinda obvious she's talking about Okiya, since they were together in the train, and Yukiko's dialog matches Okiya's actions (this being the securing of Sera).

Regarding the Kid-speculation I'm one of the readers, who wants Kid to be on this train, too. He won't have a big role anyways and I thought it might be Kogoro, too. But this can't be right now. He smoked (which might be a fake cigarette), I don't think Kid would disguise again as Kogoro and Kid would not like to be shut down by Conan's tranquilizer.

I can't recall much: does Kid know about Conan's tranq darts and his little stunt with Kogoro?

Also: Disguising as someone you've already impersonated, especially if you tend not to do it, gives you a little advantage: no one expects it. Not to mention that if Kid is there, in disguise, without having sent a challenge letter, it's even more unexpected, as no one should know he's there from the beginning.

As for the cigarette, didn't Conan see through Kid's Kogoro disguise before, because he didn't smoke? All Kid has to do is use an electronic cigarette or fake-smoke a real one to eliminate this inconsistency (or take up the habit for real. Which would be a pretty bad move, but still a plausible one).

[elainerose19]

Also, Elainrose... While I do enjoy the fact that you gave links to specific points were mentioning, I should say that it would be a better idea to have a dctp reader link rather than an outside source. Considering that DCTP is likely to have been the group to have translated the files on other manga sites, it makes sense to link only to them. ^^

oh, sorry about that.. i was just in a hurry that time and i'm already at the site so i decided to use it.. i'll do it next time ^_^"

well, I just hope that before Okiya wants to confront Amuro, Conan will show up and explain some things for us

i agree with this.. i'm itching to know at least a thing from what's happening directly from conan xD

Also it would be interesting to know if Akai knows that Conan = Shinichi, to my knowledge it has never been pointed out to him?

okiya's been on shinichi's house for a long time already and alone.. there is a very high possibility that he would at least discover something.. it's already weird that a first grader kid knows a lot and thinks like an adult, so okiya might become curious and check something out..

I can't recall much: does Kid know about Conan's tranq darts and his little stunt with Kogoro?

i remember in movie 8: magician of the silver sky, conan tried to shoot him with his tranq gun but kaito was able to evade it.. i think before that kaito already knew about that weapon, i don't remember when though.. i'll check it out one time

[ShinRan4ver]

i remember in movie 8: magician of the silver sky, conan tried to shoot him with his tranq gun but kaito was able to evade it.. i think before that kaito already knew about that weapon, i don't remember when though.. i'll check it out one time

First of all Movies are not canon so that don't count in term of manga story development. However Kid do know about the tranquilizer dart-> in his Miracle Air Walk case->episode 356 he warned Conan not to use the watch because if Kid falls asleep while driving they both would die. He does know about the Sleeping Kogoro as Conan did it to clear Kid's name in the Four Masterpiece case(469-470), although Kid disguised as Takagi was absent for the majority of the deduction he did show up at the end so I wouldn't rule out him figuring it out.

Edit: In an earlier case->Magic Lover Murder case(EP 132-134) KID(disguised as a guy whose name is a anagram for "Kaitou Kid") witnessed Conan tranquilizing Sonoko and actively helped Conan with the deduction so at that point(this was  Kid's second appearance in DC) KID already figured out both the Tranquilizer Watch and Conan's "sleeping sonoko/kogoro" trick.

[El Huesudo II]

...Thanks for reminding me, ShinRan4ver. DC simply has too many episodes for me to recall all the details with merely 1 run...

So he knows, huh... Well, that still doesn't rule the theory out yet, IMO. What if he decided to go along with the deduction show, complete with the tranq dart, because it benefited him? I mean, Kaito is no detective by any means, and disguised as Kogoro in the middle of a murder case, I'd say he was in a tough spot. If it were me, I'd just go with the flow and allow myself to get KO'd if it got me out of the mess.

[Tenken]

Noooooo, Gosho... DON'T YOU KILL AI!

[gryxyz]

Also it would be interesting to know if Akai knows that Conan = Shinichi, to my knowledge it has never been pointed out to him?

If we keep considering Okiya is Akai, then yeah, he knows; even if it hadn't been teased before, the fact that he's in a tag team with Shinichi's mother herself and that they're taking the APTX4869 and its antidote into account for their plans would imply that he's in on the secret. Anything else would be uncharacteristic of a character with his level of intelligence and data gathering.

Well it is obvious he knows Sherry=Ai, but he trusted Conan in the "Clash of Red n Black" arc too. Also in the Vermouth arc he stated it's too early for Ai to see him, so he knew already - but later he still refered to Conan as "boy".

As for the gun, I can't imagine Shiho will arm herself for a long time, since then there wouldn't be a dramatic entrance for Okiya/Conan. It sure goes down to a "hopeless" situation for Siho, where those 2 interfere and then the talking begins.