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and i can ensure you that that okiya is not akai, but is Bo's bourbon, the newest member. the hint is the bourbon bottle after the origami (paper) airplane's case. and that okiya, aka bourbon, suspected of conan's identity. conan did mentioned the word 'shinichi-nichan' when he offered okiya a place to stay, but in origami airplane's case, ran told okiya that the house was 'kinichi's'. one said shinichi, and another said kinichi. who wouldn't suspect?

i also believed conan knew of this okiya being BO's bourbon, a new member in the organisation. if not, he's suspect, even though okiya also one of Holmes' fan. the most evidence i can pick up is on the people in yellow, in white and in red case. he offered his place to okiya to stay, but had kept hidden his stuff beforehand. that way he would know what had been touched/moved, and what hadn't. furthermore, with hagase living next door, conan and ai would easily surveillance him.

on the other hand, okiya was also suspect of conan being more than just an ordinary elementary kid. in the case where a classic car exploded due to statics, might have been his first "digging" on conan. then he tried to approach him closer, like by offering to look ofter conan and the kids in the recent file, file 664.  of course without doing anything suspiciously. however, i might say he's unlike gin or vodka or any other BO members, that he plays it with fair and square if he gets to duel with conan. and that they respect each other in a sense that they both show real self to another, like conan solving cases in front of him, and him helping genta, ayumi and mitsuhiko out from danger, like in the most recent file (file 666). but that's just my opinion.

My guess is: Okiya is Akai, and Conan knows it; otherwise he wouldn't let him live in his house.
But is Okiya Bourbon? I don't think so, maybe him drinking Bourbon wine is just a false hint.
Or maybe he really is Bourbon and then this whole thing was planified with Conan.. but Conan seemed quite surprised when Jodie-sensei told him about Bourbon's existence, It's confusing.

I also think that Okiya (whoever he is) knows about Conan's real identity (Conan might have told him) or at least suspects him.

Or here's a crazy guess, maybe Okiya is Vermouth? Nah.. I think I'm just thinking too much.

haha my muny on  meny that his  Akai  or one related two him in a sort maby a brothere  or twin

cdgal wrote: conan did mentioned the word 'shinichi-nichan' when he offered okiya a place to stay, but in origami airplane's case, ran told okiya that the house was 'kinichi's'. one said shinichi, and another said kinichi. who wouldn't suspect?

actually it wasn't like how you say, cdgal. Sonoko said that Shin'ichi sent Ran a mail and Ran said that it wasn't Shin'ich but Kinichi. Ran also so said that Shin'ichi is just a regular high school student. Ran never talked about Shin'ichi living there; Okiya is the one who mentioned that that house was Shin'ichi'.

Sadly, to me, it just seems too easy to suspect Okiya of being Bourbon. I know, all the clues are there, but all the clues were there to say that Jodie Starling was Vermouth. I just think it's too easy. (But then again, Aoyama might have done that confusing one with Jodie to put our guard down for this one? o_O I watch too much DC...my head hurts...)

cdgal wrote: and i can ensure you that that okiya is not akai, but is Bo's bourbon, the newest member. the hint is the bourbon bottle after the origami (paper) airplane's case.

How about, back then, Jodie's drinking "Sherry" ?

I think Conan knows that Okiya is Akai (or someone he can trust), that is why he lets him stay in his house, he told Ran not to talk about Shinichi in front of him is because he would want to look around the house and that, I think it is not because he doesn't trust him, but because he may find out about him being both Conan and Shinichi.

Tenken wrote:

cdgal wrote: and i can ensure you that that okiya is not akai, but is Bo's bourbon, the newest member. the hint is the bourbon bottle after the origami (paper) airplane's case.

How about, back then, Jodie's drinking "Sherry" ?

I brought this up the other day on the cbox.

cdgal wrote: the hint is the bourbon bottle after the origami (paper) airplane's case. and that okiya, aka bourbon, suspected of conan's identity.

I don't care whether Okiya is Akai right now, but this reasoning is PHAIL

codename64546 wrote:

cdgal wrote: the hint is the bourbon bottle after the origami (paper) airplane's case. and that okiya, aka bourbon, suspected of conan's identity.

I don't care whether Okiya is Akai right now, but this reasoning is PHAIL

I agree... phail
Bourbon can be Okiya, but Okiya=Akai (ftw); maybe Akai managed to rejoin the BO w/o being found out

yume_no_meitantei wrote:

codename64546 wrote:

cdgal wrote: the hint is the bourbon bottle after the origami (paper) airplane's case. and that okiya, aka bourbon, suspected of conan's identity.

I don't care whether Okiya is Akai right now, but this reasoning is PHAIL

I agree... phail
Bourbon can be Okiya, but Okiya=Akai (ftw); maybe Akai managed to rejoin the BO w/o being found out

That is true maybe Okiya could be Akai, but at the same time Bourbon, let's say he rejoined the BO as Bourbon being Okiya his alterego but truly being Akai in disguise 

if Okiya isn't bourbon, then wat's gonna happen is a shady character will start to appear in the series (whom being bourbon), which i personally think is totally stupid.

I'd rather Okiya being bourbon and then akai shows up agen and evrybody's happy

adn then they all die   

i thought the topic said bourne identity, lola

yume_no_meitantei wrote: I agree... phail
Bourbon can be Okiya, but Okiya=Akai (ftw); maybe Akai managed to rejoin the BO w/o being found out

I have definitely mentioned this somewhere else on this board, but I can't recall where.

But, I think it's fairly obvious that Akai can Okiya or Okiya can be Bourbon, but the chances of Akai being Bourbon is highly unlikely. I don't think Gosho'd repeat that line of Akai sneaking into the Org. one more time, nor do I think the Black Org. would be that.. well, stupid, to let their greatest enemy walk into their turf and play the same cards again.

Akai being Okiya is safe assumption, from all hints given by Conan; like, when he heard from Eisuke that "something seemed to have happened in the FBI" and Conan smirks saying that everything's fine; he lets "Okiya" just stay at his house having known him for a day max...

Yes, he takes extra precaution to make sure that no traces of "Shinichi" are left behind at his house when he lets Okiya stay there, which seems awkward to me too, wherein the whole theory of Akai=Okiya crumbles in my eyes (what purpose would Conan have to hide Shinichi's identity from Akai, I'm not so certain... but maybe he's being cautious?)

The Okiya=Bourbon theory... well, this is obvious, because it's what Gosho wants us to believe! xD

But I honestly don't think that Akai could be Bourbon, after all that Akai has already pulled as Rye in the Organization, I'm thinking they're not going to ever let their guard down, again. We can tell this by their suspicions of Kir after she returns, too, so... That's why I can't believe our precious Shuu-kun (and I think everyone is convinced that he's alive) could be Bourbon.

But hey, who knows? It's Gosho, after all. He's the master .