Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

[Dus]

It's a rather cunning plan actually. He knows he's up against opponents who think completely logical, especially if he's already suspicious of Conan.
So doing something that doesn't make any sense would completely throw them off balance. He also needs the rest of the BO to play along. While it puts him at risk, he can also make fun of them this way.
If they keep Shuichi hidden somewhere, they would also check whether he's still where he's supposed to be.
He also needs to see the reactions of the FBI. If they're yelling somethin like "WTF are you doing here without your disguise?" he's definitely on to something. It's good thing Conan and Shuichi told no-one. I wonder if Shuichi anticipitated something like this. Conan clearly didn't.
Warning the FBI would also be counter-productive.

[sstimson]

@sstimson: What are you referring to? Do you think that ScarAkai isn't Bourbon?

Correct. I think they are RED HERRINGS

[Dus]

But who would Scar-Akai be? A random passer-by? Akai himself? Kaito Kid?

[delsie29]

It's a rather cunning plan actually. He knows he's up against opponents who think completely logical, especially if he's already suspicious of Conan.
So doing something that doesn't make any sense would completely throw them off balance. He also needs the rest of the BO to play along. While it puts him at risk, he can also make fun of them this way.
If they keep Shuichi hidden somewhere, they would also check whether he's still where he's supposed to be.
He also needs to see the reactions of the FBI. If they're yelling somethin like "WTF are you doing here without your disguise?" he's definitely on to something. It's good thing Conan and Shuichi told no-one. I wonder if Shuichi anticipitated something like this. Conan clearly didn't.
Warning the FBI would also be counter-productive.

No, no, I completely agree. I'm working on the theory that Okiya is Akai and scar-Akai is Bourbon. (though I'm still holding onto that little grain of doubt, just in case!)

I just had another idea about why Conan might look so disquieted when hearing about scar-Akai.

As for warning the FBI, no, I know that would be a terrible idea. I was trying to say that even if Conan wanted to, there's no feasible way for him to do it. If the FBI are being baited by a BO member, then Conan can't risk changing their reactions. And even if he did try to warn them, would Jodie easily believe that scar-Akai is a fake? I think Conan would have to convince her and to do that, it would require revealing the truth about Okiya, which would endanger everyone.

Sorry for any confusion. Sometimes I think I've said one thing and it turns out that what I've typed reads completely differently.

[Dus]

I actually understood you correctly, just wanted to drive the point home, that Jodie being terribly distraugh is a GOOD thing.

[delsie29]

I actually understood you correctly, just wanted to drive the point home, that Jodie being terribly distraugh is a GOOD thing.

Aha. So my misunderstanding. Whoops. Well, now that we've really elaborated on this idea....  :D

@sstimson: What are you referring to? Do you think that ScarAkai isn't Bourbon?

Correct. I think they are RED HERRINGS

I have given thought to the fact that there are so many very obvious "hints" about Okiya being Bourbon. This could be a misdirection by making the fans think that "Nah, it's too obvious!"  Especially since it bears a strong resemblence to how Jodie was played in the Vermouth-arc. Then, when it's revealed that Okiya is Bourbon, all these people will be shocked, simply because it was so simple!

Okay, so I doubt this is actually the case. It doesn't really fit with the writing style we've seen in the manga thus far.

Also, I think this possiblity was mentioned somewhere else earlier in this thread....and I should stop repeating the same theories...


Edit: Aha! Found the post I was thinking of, way back on page 8 of this thread....

So just for reference:

since he already pulled off the Jodie-Vermouth trick, maybe now he's doing the opposite by reverse psychology... he knows that fans like us wouldn't be so easily 'fooled' by a hint such as Okiya drinking Bourbon, but in fact Okiya IS Bourbon, and Gosho will go all 'he really is Bourbon, I made it so obvious for all of you to see! xP'

[Dus]

I agree that it would come as quite a surprise. But there are too many holes in the Subaru=Bourbon theory. But the same holds true for Jodie: Many have seen her as a member of the BO at first until it was revealed she and Vermouth were two separate characters. Now we wouldn't think of suspecting her anymore.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

It's a rather cunning plan actually. He knows he's up against opponents who think completely logical, especially if he's already suspicious of Conan.
So doing something that doesn't make any sense would completely throw them off balance. He also needs the rest of the BO to play along. While it puts him at risk, he can also make fun of them this way.
If they keep Shuichi hidden somewhere, they would also check whether he's still where he's supposed to be.
He also needs to see the reactions of the FBI. If they're yelling somethin like "WTF are you doing here without your disguise?" he's definitely on to something. It's good thing Conan and Shuichi told no-one. I wonder if Shuichi anticipitated something like this. Conan clearly didn't.
Warning the FBI would also be counter-productive.

I don't think Bourbon is suspicious of Conan. Abs. messaged me this theory which is frankly quite excellent.

(Again, from the recent anime case/associated manga files) Gin lists reasons why he thinks it's too convenient that an Akai Shuuichi-looking person has showed up at the Teito Bank.  One of those reasons is Sherry's appearance at the Haido City Hotel (or wherever it was, you know what I'm talking about).  Gin remains convinced that Akai had a hand in that incident.  Gin probably still thinks that Akai and Sherry were working together even recently.  Bourbon may think so as well.  So Bourbon could indeed be Sherry-hunting, banking on the whole idea that not only the FBI, but Sherry as well, would want to re-establish contact with Akai.

Also, if Bourbon's issue with Akai is that serious (as it seems to be), then he may be doing his own thing and trying to find Akai and not obeying orders directly.

[Dus]

Many members in the higher echelons of the BO seem to act more ore less on their own agenda.Bourbon clearly seems to be one of them.
Even if he doesn't Conan specifically, he might suspect Akai has an equally intelligent partner in crime. He probably doesn't suspect Sherry, because she probably wouldn't be able to devise such a plan. Depending on how well the actions of Gin and Vodka are documented, he might find the Mouri detective agency fishy and maybe even assume Shinichi to be alive. He can easily find out how excellent a detective Shinichi is and if he's suspicious of Akai's death he might as well be suspicious of Shinichi's. Especially with the rivalry going on between him and Gin.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Depending on how well the actions of Gin and Vodka are documented, he might find the Mouri detective agency fishy and maybe even assume Shinichi to be alive.

I don't know about thinking Shinichi being alive, but Bourbon has the Mouri detective agency on his radar. He was able to call Mouri's cellphone number with a borrowed phone after all. I presume he got this number from Kir's cellphone which he "borrowed" at some point. If he suspect's Akai is alive, he must also assume Kir cooperated with him to fake his death, and thus Bourbon would treat her as suspicious. Back during the ding dong dash case, Kogoro texted Kir's cell with his routing number for the case's payment.
He may have looked into the Mouri detective agency further. This may or may not have to do with why he saved Conan at the Teito bank. I have some theories about Bourbon (along with B=SA) in general here if you are interested. I also have a list of everything we know about Scar Akai assuming he's Bourbon.

[Dus]

I've already read most of your theories and like them a lot^^The thing about Kir was new to me though, makes sense  though, since her having contact with the agency is already known among the BO, so she had no reason to delete the number.
It's certainly suspicious that in the two instances we see Bourbon, both Jodie and Conan are nearby. My guess is that Bourbon's identity will be revealed fairly soon. Then we're lead to believe he was tailing Jodie. Later, we'll find out he was actually tailing Conan.

[Detective Tommy]

After watching episode  581,

Spoiler:

Isn't it proven that Akai is Okiya and Scarred Akai is Bourbon?

-Scarred Akai looked straight at Chianti.
-Gin didn't tell Chianti to shoot because he knew it was actually Bourbon, and I think Vermouth went there to confirm it, maybe?
-Scarred Akai knowing there was a sniper, wouldn't leave.
-Okiya stayed inside and said something about the wolves not getting their prey. It looks like he hates the BO a lot.

[Dus]

Proven is a bit much since it hasn't been stated outright. Gosho can still make a U-Turn and go for something else, although I think it's pretty safe to assume ScarAkai=Bourbon.

[Detective Tommy]

Proven is a bit much since it hasn't been stated outright. Gosho can still make a U-Turn and go for something else, although I think it's pretty safe to assume ScarAkai=Bourbon.

Well, I guess. It isn't proven yet but I think we can be sure that Okiya hates the BO.

[kentasaiba]

yeah it still can be Kaito Kid, who finally wants to help Conan to bring the BO down.