Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby Nyarl » July 6th, 2010, 9:09 pm

Detective Tommy wrote:
Nyarl wrote:
Detective Tommy wrote:Well it is physically impossible for Akai and Gin to be the same person.
They were on two completely different buildings.

Remember?
Spoiler:
When Gin was about to shoot Kogoro, but stopped. And he held up that bug with Conan's fingerprints. And Akai shot it. (Btw, this was an awesome scene). But this proves Akai =/= Gin.



Eh, I think the false lead expired in episode 345/volume 42, when Shuu saved Jodie. I'm not arguing Gin is Shuu, just that Aoyama wanted some folks to jump to that conclusion like he wanted people to assume that Vermouth was Jodie.


Oh, probably. Did anyone even think that Shu = Gin?



Probably. The big reveal about Vermouth was done by the time I really entered the fandom, so I don't know.

On the other hand, the lead about the queen-like woman who is associated with cat sounds is apparently something only I've noticed, since everyone else is so sure Vermouth was the woman Itakura mentioned in his diary.
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » July 6th, 2010, 9:14 pm

Nyarl wrote:Probably. The big reveal about Vermouth was done by the time I really entered the fandom, so I don't know.
On the other hand, the lead about the queen-like woman who is associated with cat sounds is apparently something only I've noticed, since everyone else is so sure Vermouth was the woman Itakura mentioned in his diary.
Vermouth = Sharon hadn't been officially revealed by that point (Vermouth = Sharon one year ago), so Gosho was probably hiding Vermouth's Sharon face on purpose.
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby Nyarl » July 6th, 2010, 9:25 pm

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Nyarl wrote:Probably. The big reveal about Vermouth was done by the time I really entered the fandom, so I don't know.
On the other hand, the lead about the queen-like woman who is associated with cat sounds is apparently something only I've noticed, since everyone else is so sure Vermouth was the woman Itakura mentioned in his diary.
Vermouth = Sharon hadn't been officially revealed by that point (Vermouth = Sharon one year ago), so Gosho was probably hiding Vermouth's Sharon face on purpose.


Yeah, I think I granted that possibility the last time I wrote about this. Doesn't explain the cat, though, and I'm not at all satisfied that Vermouth is supposed to be imperious instead of seductive. (I've asked if she has a verbal tic the Japanese would pick up on as queen-like/condescending/arrogant/imperious/presumptuous or the like. Never got a good answer either way, though.)
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby Detective Tommy » July 6th, 2010, 9:33 pm

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Nyarl wrote:Probably. The big reveal about Vermouth was done by the time I really entered the fandom, so I don't know.
On the other hand, the lead about the queen-like woman who is associated with cat sounds is apparently something only I've noticed, since everyone else is so sure Vermouth was the woman Itakura mentioned in his diary.
Vermouth = Sharon hadn't been officially revealed by that point (Vermouth = Sharon one year ago), so Gosho was probably hiding Vermouth's Sharon face on purpose.


Wait, what cat sound things?

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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby Nyarl » July 7th, 2010, 6:25 pm

Detective Tommy wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Nyarl wrote:Probably. The big reveal about Vermouth was done by the time I really entered the fandom, so I don't know.
On the other hand, the lead about the queen-like woman who is associated with cat sounds is apparently something only I've noticed, since everyone else is so sure Vermouth was the woman Itakura mentioned in his diary.
Vermouth = Sharon hadn't been officially revealed by that point (Vermouth = Sharon one year ago), so Gosho was probably hiding Vermouth's Sharon face on purpose.


Wait, what cat sound things?


In Money can't Buy Friendship (ep 329/vol39.6pp~4) Agasa says there was more to Itakura's dairy than Conan got to see. Basically Itakura just wrote that the woman hung up quickly after a cat's cry got louder.
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby Detective Tommy » July 8th, 2010, 1:33 am

Nyarl wrote:
Detective Tommy wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Nyarl wrote:Probably. The big reveal about Vermouth was done by the time I really entered the fandom, so I don't know.
On the other hand, the lead about the queen-like woman who is associated with cat sounds is apparently something only I've noticed, since everyone else is so sure Vermouth was the woman Itakura mentioned in his diary.
Vermouth = Sharon hadn't been officially revealed by that point (Vermouth = Sharon one year ago), so Gosho was probably hiding Vermouth's Sharon face on purpose.


Wait, what cat sound things?


In Money can't Buy Friendship (ep 329/vol39.6pp~4) Agasa says there was more to Itakura's dairy than Conan got to see. Basically Itakura just wrote that the woman hung up quickly after a cat's cry got louder.


Hmmm, so what does this mean?
One of the BO (female) members have a cat?

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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby Shuuichi Akai » July 8th, 2010, 1:51 am

Wakarimashita wrote:That's why Genta is desperate for immortality, he wants to continue eating eel rice for ages.  :o

hahaha... it really does make sense though...
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby terra » July 8th, 2010, 8:53 am

Detective Tommy wrote:
Nyarl wrote:
Detective Tommy wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Nyarl wrote:Probably. The big reveal about Vermouth was done by the time I really entered the fandom, so I don't know.
On the other hand, the lead about the queen-like woman who is associated with cat sounds is apparently something only I've noticed, since everyone else is so sure Vermouth was the woman Itakura mentioned in his diary.
Vermouth = Sharon hadn't been officially revealed by that point (Vermouth = Sharon one year ago), so Gosho was probably hiding Vermouth's Sharon face on purpose.


Wait, what cat sound things?


In Money can't Buy Friendship (ep 329/vol39.6pp~4) Agasa says there was more to Itakura's dairy than Conan got to see. Basically Itakura just wrote that the woman hung up quickly after a cat's cry got louder.


Hmmm, so what does this mean?
One of the BO (female) members have a cat?


Then maybe Eri is a BO member ;)
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby Shuuichi Akai » July 8th, 2010, 12:00 pm

It will be cool if Eri turned out to be the boss.
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby Nyarl » July 8th, 2010, 1:42 pm

terra wrote:
Detective Tommy wrote:
Nyarl wrote:
Detective Tommy wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Nyarl wrote:Probably. The big reveal about Vermouth was done by the time I really entered the fandom, so I don't know.
On the other hand, the lead about the queen-like woman who is associated with cat sounds is apparently something only I've noticed, since everyone else is so sure Vermouth was the woman Itakura mentioned in his diary.
Vermouth = Sharon hadn't been officially revealed by that point (Vermouth = Sharon one year ago), so Gosho was probably hiding Vermouth's Sharon face on purpose.


Wait, what cat sound things?


In Money can't Buy Friendship (ep 329/vol39.6pp~4) Agasa says there was more to Itakura's dairy than Conan got to see. Basically Itakura just wrote that the woman hung up quickly after a cat's cry got louder.


Hmmm, so what does this mean?
One of the BO (female) members have a cat?


Then maybe Eri is a BO member ;)



Put the cat along with the "authoritative tone" that is very reminiscent of how her peers describe how she acts in court, making even opponents feel like they are crossing their queen, and I think it's at least an intentionally placed red herring (very obscure for it to be just a red herring, though). Of course, we don't know the "cat" Itakura mentioned was really a cat.
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby alicetama » July 8th, 2010, 9:17 pm

Detective Tommy wrote:Well, I think that somewhat proves that Akai gives Haibara a BO sense.

Yeah, but he probably gives her that sense because Akai was in the BO undercover.
Why? You never win the cursed war.
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby scineram » July 8th, 2010, 9:22 pm

He is Scar Akai. Okiya is neither but a new character.
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby soratothamax » July 9th, 2010, 12:29 am

scineram wrote:He is Scar Akai. Okiya is neither but a new character.


This is not only the most predictable of the theories...this is also the one Gosho seems only capable of handling to me...;D
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby Detective Tommy » July 9th, 2010, 12:44 am

Nyarl wrote:
terra wrote:
Detective Tommy wrote:
Nyarl wrote:
Detective Tommy wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Nyarl wrote:Probably. The big reveal about Vermouth was done by the time I really entered the fandom, so I don't know.
On the other hand, the lead about the queen-like woman who is associated with cat sounds is apparently something only I've noticed, since everyone else is so sure Vermouth was the woman Itakura mentioned in his diary.
Vermouth = Sharon hadn't been officially revealed by that point (Vermouth = Sharon one year ago), so Gosho was probably hiding Vermouth's Sharon face on purpose.


Wait, what cat sound things?


In Money can't Buy Friendship (ep 329/vol39.6pp~4) Agasa says there was more to Itakura's dairy than Conan got to see. Basically Itakura just wrote that the woman hung up quickly after a cat's cry got louder.


Hmmm, so what does this mean?
One of the BO (female) members have a cat?


Then maybe Eri is a BO member ;)



Put the cat along with the "authoritative tone" that is very reminiscent of how her peers describe how she acts in court, making even opponents feel like they are crossing their queen, and I think it's at least an intentionally placed red herring (very obscure for it to be just a red herring, though). Of course, we don't know the "cat" Itakura mentioned was really a cat.





I don't know whether I would feel surprised/shocked, angry/mad or sad that Eri is the BO boss.
Since Eri is the mother of Ran, who is the lover of Shinichi.  :-[

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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

Postby Shuuichi Akai » July 9th, 2010, 12:51 am

I don't know whether I would feel surprised/shocked, angry/mad or sad that Eri is the BO boss.
Since Eri is the mother of Ran, who is the lover of Shinichi.  :-[



Eri(explaining to Ran why she shrunk Shinichi),"Dear, I did this for your own good. To test what will your future husband do if he is in trouble. Now that I know he will not give up easily, I will let you marry Conan."
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