Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

[Kor]

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However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene

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He's also a half-brother to Dr Araide.

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Would that make Jodie his aunt's cousin's granddaughter?

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no, his aunt's cousin's grandaughter's mother's cousin's mother's granddaughter's sister.

and that makes Ai his aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate.

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And Vermouth his father's sister's uncle's brother's- okay this getting ridiculous, let's just face it and say the DC characters are all distant relatives to each other XD

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Small world. XD

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...with a lot of inbreeding.

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that's so messed up! if Jodie were okiya's aunt's cousin's granddaughter then how old would the cousin be?
and if Ai were okiya's aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate, then when was Ai born and how old is she now? and who is the brother? would that mean that the brother's a pedo?

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It's ok, APTX-4869 explains everything!

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Of course it explains everything. It even explains why for the past five years everyone who saw me for the first time thought I looked sixteen.

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nothing special about that. I'm 18 yet I still look like a 15 years old.

[Key-chan]

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However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene

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He's also a half-brother to Dr Araide.

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Would that make Jodie his aunt's cousin's granddaughter?

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no, his aunt's cousin's grandaughter's mother's cousin's mother's granddaughter's sister.

and that makes Ai his aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate.

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And Vermouth his father's sister's uncle's brother's- okay this getting ridiculous, let's just face it and say the DC characters are all distant relatives to each other XD

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Small world. XD

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...with a lot of inbreeding.

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that's so messed up! if Jodie were okiya's aunt's cousin's granddaughter then how old would the cousin be?
and if Ai were okiya's aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate, then when was Ai born and how old is she now? and who is the brother? would that mean that the brother's a pedo?

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It's ok, APTX-4869 explains everything!

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Of course it explains everything. It even explains why for the past five years everyone who saw me for the first time thought I looked sixteen.

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nothing special about that. I'm 18 yet I still look like a 15 years old.

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Yes there is. If you can keep the same appearance for ten years, you can run around pretending like someone force-fed you some APTX4869. Guess what I'll be doing five years from now?

[mangaluva]

guys this is becoming boring :O



**calls a funny DCTP user, and its NOT you the reader**

*feels unloved*

[Akonyl]

Banned for feeling unloved. (oh snap ROLE REVERSAL)

[mangaluva]

Shot by Bourbon for posting a ban in the wrong thread XD

[CC]

The topic of Bourbon's mission comes up one more time other than the scene with Jodie and Hidemi on the cellphone. Hidemi brings it up with Gin and Vodka in the Porsche during the red shirts case. (703.03) Technically, I suppose it is speculation since Gin and Vodka neither confirm or deny Sherry-hunting is Bourbon's mission, but it seems likely since dressing up as Akai isn't what Bourbon is supposed to be up to. I doubt the boss would have given permission to take out "Akai" if that person had assigned Bourbon to scope out the FBI in disguise. I think Vermouth may have known/guessed what Bourbon was up to which is why she made a comment about the boss being cautious enough to testing a stone bridge - a tip to Gin to not be too trigger happy without careful assessment first.

Wow...based on that page from the manga, I'm going to throw this out for fun:

Bourbon was Akemi's boyfriend before Akai/Dai showed up in the BO.  He hates Akai for stealing her away and blames her eventual death on him.  He had plastic surgery to make him look like Akai due to his obsession, i.e. he either is trying to draw him out b/c he thinks Akai's not really dead or is obsessively insane or some mixture of both.  Maybe he gave himself the scar when he looked in the mirror after his surgery and saw the face of the person he hated most...and he lost it and somehow hurt himself.

Alternative theory:

Bourbon was someone who was competing with Akai/Dai for position in the organization.  He always lost to Akai, and became obsessed with beating him, and that's why he's obsessed with being "the only one who can kill him".  Again, a combination of mad obsession and strategy led him to change his face to Akai's (similar to the guy who took Shinichi's face in the story with the shiragami?), and he couldn't stand his own face and scarred it.


Okay, really reaching here:

Maybe Gin already knew Bourbon had Akai's face, and the whole thing was a test for Kir and to draw out Akai.  The "I'd rather not see him with such a face" was referring to Akai's face...

...maybe...possibly...okay, maybe not...

[Tanner-kun]

Spoiler:

However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene

Spoiler:

He's also a half-brother to Dr Araide.

Spoiler:

Would that make Jodie his aunt's cousin's granddaughter?

Spoiler:

no, his aunt's cousin's grandaughter's mother's cousin's mother's granddaughter's sister.

and that makes Ai his aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate.

Spoiler:

And Vermouth his father's sister's uncle's brother's- okay this getting ridiculous, let's just face it and say the DC characters are all distant relatives to each other XD

Spoiler:

Small world. XD

Spoiler:

...with a lot of inbreeding.

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that's so messed up! if Jodie were okiya's aunt's cousin's granddaughter then how old would the cousin be?
and if Ai were okiya's aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate, then when was Ai born and how old is she now? and who is the brother? would that mean that the brother's a pedo?

Spoiler:

It's ok, APTX-4869 explains everything!

Spoiler:

Of course it explains everything. It even explains why for the past five years everyone who saw me for the first time thought I looked sixteen.

Spoiler:

nothing special about that. I'm 18 yet I still look like a 15 years old.

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Yes there is. If you can keep the same appearance for ten years, you can run around pretending like someone force-fed you some APTX4869. Guess what I'll be doing five years from now?

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Spoiler chain.

[soratothamax]

Just ooonnnnne question - assuming Okiya is Akai, and ScarAkai is Bourbon, how would you explain why Okiya said that ScarAkai wasn't who he thought he was?  I'm sure you can come up with a reason, I'm just saying that you should answer that question in that list to be complete . . .

It was a message for Conan. Conan knows from what Okiya said that he had seen scar Akai, and Okiya's comments that, "Actually, I happened to see him on that floor. Unfortunately, it seems he wasn't who I thought he was, so I didn't talk to him. I've known his face for a very long time... There's no way I could be mistaken." You can parse his quote this way: "Actually, I happened to see that person who looked like Akai on that floor. This Akai wasn't the real Akai, and I didn't confront him. Being the real Akai, this scar Akai is someone else..." Okiya is layering is conversation with a second meaning, confirming there is someone disguising as Akai, for Conan's benefit and Conan is a bit surprised and nervous about the info.

Or Akai could really be dead, and someone is pretending to be the scar Akai....There are many possibilities. Okiya never said that Akai was still alive and disguised as someone....

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Or Akai could really be dead, and someone is pretending to be the scar Akai....There are many possibilities. Okiya never said that Akai was still alive and disguised as someone....

I was only explaining what that quote meant in the context of Okiya=Akai. I never said it proved or even suggested Okiya=Akai. The quote would work if Okiya was Bourbon too. (but I don't think that's the case)

[sstimson]

Since no one has questioned even the existence of Bourbon, I will

FACT: BO is suspicious of KIR.

I Believe that even though KIR "killed" their problem they still do not trusted her

The Intel of Bourbon maybe a test to find out if there is a leak in the BO

REAL WORLD EXAMPLES

1)http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23475660-plane-obvious-activists-say-they-spotted-spy-straight-away.do
2)http://www.fbi.gov/hq/ci/cointell.htm
3)http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jun/24/catching-spies-updated/
4)http://www.history.org/foundation/journal/summer04/spies.cfm
5)http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/data/Mike-MC_catching-a-spy.html
6)http://books.google.com/books?id=YTHlty6deKgC&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=catching+spies&source=bl&ots=87C93-XTeB&sig=4dJUMWFs-Vs1qKveosh72LESAW0&hl=en&ei=rY8TTMemIMOC8gb-gqydDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBAQ6AEwADgo#v=onepage&q=catching spies&f=false

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Since no one has questioned even the existence of Bourbon, I will. FACT: BO is suspicious of KIR. I Believe that even though KIR "killed" their problem they still do not trusted her. The Intel of Bourbon maybe a test to find out if there is a leak in the BO.

Several people, including me, thought this was a possibility. I have since revised my opinion because of several things. The strongest indicator was that in the red shirt case, all the still-living B.O. members showed up at the same time scar Akai and Okiya were on the floor taken hostage. Regardless of which one of the two you think is BO, it means that there is another BO member running around who isn't one of the ones we know so far in disguise. The obvious candidate is that this person is Bourbon. Also, while far from definitive as it could have been staged, the conversation between Vodka and Gin in the car expounding on Bourbon's personality a bit helped convince me Bourbon was probably real. There is still no definitive proof that Bourbon is a real person and not a test to see if Kir has been leaking info, however there is someone suspicious (for me it's scar Akai) out there who matches what we know about Bourbon so far.

[sstimson]

Since no one has questioned even the existence of Bourbon, I will. FACT: BO is suspicious of KIR. I Believe that even though KIR "killed" their problem they still do not trusted her. The Intel of Bourbon maybe a test to find out if there is a leak in the BO.

Several people, including me, thought this was a possibility. I have since revised my opinion because of several things. The strongest indicator was that in the red shirt case, all the still-living B.O. members showed up at the same time scar Akai and Okiya were on the floor taken hostage. Regardless of which one of the two you think is BO, it means that there is another BO member running around who isn't one of the ones we know so far in disguise. The obvious candidate is that this person is Bourbon. Also, while far from definitive as it could have been staged, the conversation between Vodka and Gin in the car expounding on Bourbon's personality a bit helped convince me Bourbon was probably real. There is still no definitive proof that Bourbon is a real person and not a test to see if Kir has been leaking info, however there is someone suspicious (for me it's scar Akai) out there who matches what we know about Bourbon so far.

Why Does One of them need to be BO? Why can they not both be not at all part of the BO, FBI or anything else? Why does scar-Akai have to be a threat to the BO? Why can he not be just a look alike? As for Okiya, why can he not be just what he seems ( a university student )?
Why Does the BO have to be after one of them. Why can they not be after an unnamed hostage?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Why Does One of them need to be BO? Why can they not both be not at all part of the BO, FBI or anything else? Why does scar-Akai have to be a threat to the BO? Why can he not be just a look alike? As for Okiya, why can he not be just what he seems ( a university student )?
Why Does the BO have to be after one of them. Why can they not be after an unnamed hostage?

This and this for my thoughts on the allegiances of the duo, but none of it is conclusive stuff yet, so I can't rule out what you are saying about them being third parties - only suggest it is less likely than the Okiya=Akai and scar Akai=Bourbon theories.

[Introuble]

My little theory
During the Clash of Red and Black Arc, Akai, Conan and Kir devised a way to fake Shu's death. Afterwards, they decided that after the faking, Akai would disguise himself as another person and investigate the Organization. After faking his death, Vermouth secretly got him back into the Organization by requesting the boss face to face. ( Remember Jd's theory on Vermouth being a defected CIA agent). Akai, becoming a BO agent, decided to appear in the "department store case" to lure Bourbon out. (Akai and Bourbon know each other from way way back. Therefore, Akai forsaw that Bourbon would disguise himself as well and look for him.) Bourbon on the other hand, saw this coming. He never believed "Akai-dying" story from the start. Due to this, he forsaw Akai planning on disgusing himself after the incident. So he disguised himself as Okiya Subaru. Vermouth probably told him of Jodie crying over Akai near the hospital. So Bourbon probably presumed that this "fake killing' was devised by Kir, Akai and another person. He put all of the recent encounters and decided that there must be another person behind the curtain (Kir's tracer in 425 and The Clash of Red and Black). Because of this, Bourbon disguised himself as Okiya Subaru, posing as Akai Shuichi in disguise. After seeing a brilliant kid (Conan) and a girl who had a nearly identical face as Sherry. Bourbon decided to go deeper by taking the offer of living in Shinichi's house.

Breaking things down
Bourbon = Okiya Subaru
Scar Akai = Akai Shuichi

I know if examined, my theory would probably be full of holes. However, I refuse to believe that "Akai = Okiya". Because of how easily Chekov exposed this. I wish Aoyoma tried harder in building this Araide-like twist.
But, whatever, it's fun making things up.

[Abs.]

Add in the part of my theory that Bourbon/Okiya thought he already "re-killed" Akai (resulting in the burn on the cheek on real Akai and Bourbon/Okiya living at the address that Conan recognized) and you're almost not ready to go up against Chekhov