[Files 775-777] Target on Tape

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Who are the kidnappers and what were they after?

Gin and Vodka - in Vodka's car. They were after Haibara and mistook Ayumi for her
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3%
Two random B.O. members who were after Haibara and mistook Ayumi for her
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8%
Two random criminals who were after the carpet, but took Ayumi as well for some reason
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Two random criminals who were after what was inside the vase, but took Ayumi as well for some reason
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13%
Two random criminals who wanted to kidnap the "girl who was living with Agasa" in order to demand a ransom
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9%
Two criminals who were referred to in Chiba's First Love Case
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6%
Two criminals who had something to do with a former case in which Haibara wore those clothes, and for some reason, they are after her, but they mistook Ayumi for her
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5%
Billy and Fusae have gone wild!
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4%
THESE TWO!
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31%
 
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby thorongil » May 18th, 2011, 5:16 am

omfg...
my first impression was... that stupid agasa... if i was him i wouldn't dare to talk about ai with anyone whom i shortly met... lecturing conan about secrecy and yet blurting out things like a waterfall to strangers... (well we don't know how much he told them but he seems as if he told them at least some info)

and the with the last panel the target really seems to be the rug... but for why its not coffee stained... i would say the ayumis hood was stained(not soaked, but most probably) and therefore the rug only had minor contact with coffee, i'm not sure but i think it is a whole lot harder to stain something with something stained(and soaked to), at least to a visuable degree, maybe all of the coffe was poured one the inside of the hood and stained the outside only slightly...

i wanted to write something else but my stomach wants food for some time now... so no chance i can recall now :)
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby gwonbush » May 18th, 2011, 5:37 am

This case is plot free.  Sigh, as I thought.  It isn't a total loss seeing as we get an Okiya sighting and listening in  on private conversations.
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby redangelran » May 18th, 2011, 6:51 am

gwonbush wrote:This case is plot free.  Sigh, as I thought.  It isn't a total loss seeing as we get an Okiya sighting and listening in  on private conversations.


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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby randompi314159 » May 18th, 2011, 7:40 am

Wow, that was a twist. Didn't foresee anything to do with the whole cat story, ever. Maybe the whole case is just a red-herring already, since there are so many throughout this one case.

The culprits switching the rug seems obvious, due to the aforementioned reasons, and is still pretty confusing. If it's worth a value, then why the culprits planned it out so there was a possibility of staining the rug is beyond me. Though, it could also mean that maybe they're not after the rug for money. Maybe they need that specific rug for something else that I can't think of at the moment. I suppose the vase has been used properly for its purpose this case, but I can't help but think Gosho will bring something else about the vase back in next case. Hmm...incoherent rambling.

As for the person asking about Haibara, I'll also put in my 10 cents that it's Sera. It would only expedite one of the points in that other big spoiler that was recently released about Sera and Ai.

Culprit wise, out of the three pairs, I'm going to have to go with the middle-aged couple as well. The jerks seem most likely, but they are too obvious, and I don't think it's the two sisters. But it's just a thought floating around.

I also hope even if this case isn't BO, it will lead into new character development with Sera or others, or start heading toward the climax of the Bourbon arc, especially since even he is in this case. This case has the potential to set everything up!
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby SZ5531 » May 18th, 2011, 8:16 am

Musing:
What if the aim of kidnapping Ayumi was to for someone to peel off the duct tape and leave their fingerprints behind? Ai is closest to Ayumi (out of the DB) and would be the most worried (though Agasa is the adult and has responsibility)
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby ssjup81 » May 18th, 2011, 8:32 am

Oh, another reason why I feel it's the middle-aged couple is because of how they treated Ayumi.  They seemed very concerned for her welfare, to an extent, and I could see an older couple acting in that fashion towards a child as opposed to the jerk father and son or someone who's particularly young (sisters), if that makes any sense.  Just my take on it.

I'm still curious as to why Sera wants to know so much about Ai (to me, it's obvious she saw the video and the reflection because when she was talking about Ai, the vision in the background was of Ai in the video).  I'm also curious about Okiya.  Why did he bug the place?  I'm leaning more and more towards Okiya really being Scar Akai and trying to keep an eye out for Ai (since he knows that it's Akemi's sister somehow).
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby 1Kaito » May 18th, 2011, 8:48 am

ran mouri wrote:
gwonbush wrote:This case is plot free.  Sigh, as I thought.  It isn't a total loss seeing as we get an Okiya sighting and listening in  on private conversations.


what do you mean plot free?
He means it has nothing to do with the Black Orginization. Which it probably does, though.
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby Eri-chan » May 18th, 2011, 8:57 am

SZ5531 wrote:Musing:
What if the aim of kidnapping Ayumi was to for someone to peel off the duct tape and leave their fingerprints behind? Ai is closest to Ayumi (out of the DB) and would be the most worried (though Agasa is the adult and has responsibility)

Interesting, I didn't think of that, but it makes sense.
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby dk » May 18th, 2011, 9:10 am

Eri-chan wrote:
SZ5531 wrote:Musing:
What if the aim of kidnapping Ayumi was to for someone to peel off the duct tape and leave their fingerprints behind? Ai is closest to Ayumi (out of the DB) and would be the most worried (though Agasa is the adult and has responsibility)

Interesting, I didn't think of that, but it makes sense.


There are 1001 ways to get a person's fingerprints, plus they can't be sure who will find Ayumi first.
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby Hoshi, tantei-chan » May 18th, 2011, 9:21 am

xpon wrote:BTW.. how can they know Ayumi mail address on her phone in that short of time?

why not taking ayumi phone and leave professors one.....

why they sure that the professor can use Ayumi's phone?

and agasa phone still on the culprit hand's right?


I'm pretty sure they returned Agasa's phone already.
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby The DCG » May 18th, 2011, 12:47 pm

A point might be made as to where Okiya's bug is, or how good his equipment is.  He seems to be listening intently to a whispered conversation that Genta and Mitsuhiko (~2 ft away) can't hear clearly.  Maybe it's in the laptop?  Would make sense, and it could bootstrap into the laptop's wireless.  After all, most laptops have a microphone, and a wireless connection, so it would not be weird activity.  I guess.
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby AICHAN » May 18th, 2011, 12:58 pm

The DCG wrote:A point might be made as to where Okiya's bug is, or how good his equipment is.  He seems to be listening intently to a whispered conversation that Genta and Mitsuhiko (~2 ft away) can't hear clearly.  Maybe it's in the laptop?  Would make sense, and it could bootstrap into the laptop's wireless.  After all, most laptops have a microphone, and a wireless connection, so it would not be weird activity.  I guess.


yeah true...I didn't think of that...
I can't wait to read the next file...I hope Okiya and Sera will appear...
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby Mareliini » May 18th, 2011, 1:07 pm

The case is going...

It seems like the target is the rug but maybe it's again some kind of bluff. The cat hunting left Agasa's house empty so maybe the culprits aim was something really else (some new invention lol) and the whole kidnapping-rug-changing-cat-hunting -case was the cover. Very big and stupid cover yes, but this is just free thinking. The same thing like kidnap a girl because of the missing cat.

Mr_Useless wrote:I think the middle-aged couple is the most suspicious: they are described as experts but they don't even care to to examine the bottom of the vase, maybe looking for some mark left by the builder?

I thought the same. It was more like they were looking at the rug.

And Okiya does nothing except looks secretive. >:(
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby Yukimi » May 18th, 2011, 1:27 pm

About the criminals don't minding staining the rug it could be they didn't want the rug because it was valuable in itself or as sth to sell but that it was proof of a crime or it had diamonds or drugs inside of it... you get my drift. I don't have a real standing in this case because it's full of red-herringsw as someone alreeady commented :)
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Re: [Files 775-7XX] Target on Tape

Postby Kleene Onigiri » May 18th, 2011, 2:58 pm

Kor wrote:
Spoiler: file 776
Oh Okiya, remember how in the past you actually did something? :P
Was that Eri in one of the panels?

This whole case sure makes me wonder again just how much do the DB's parents know about what their children are doing in their free time.



Ayumi: "Mom! Dad! I was kidnapped today!"
Partens: "Great, my dear. You seem to have lots of fun every day!"
Ayumi: "Yeah, I have!"

Dunno what you mean :p


Ayumi being kidnapped. And they don't think about calling the police after deducting it wasn't the BO?
Agasa: "Let's call the police for help!"
Conan: "What is this 'police' you talk about?"


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KapmK wrote:But yeah, I'd be creeped out if a stranger started asking me questions about a 7 year old girl's daily routine. Yet not only did Agasa not find it suspicious in the least, he even forgot who asked. He really dropped the ball on that one.


Hey now, to be fair he has to worry about a deadly, secret organization that wants her and everyone she knows dead.  What's a little child-stalking compared to that?  After all, said organization wouldn't care about her daily routine, her friends, and where she might be at any given time.


Well, considering Agasa forgot who it was would mean that it wasn't a suspicious person asking it. So it couldn't have been those unfriendly father/son duo. Otherwise Agasa would have remembered I guess.
Could also have been sera that way. Agasa wouldn't suspect a high school girl I guess.
Agasa also wouldn't find it suspicious if the other two pair would causally ask it.


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He's just your average lolicon from next door ;D


ssjup81 wrote:I'm leaning more and more towards Okiya really being Scar Akai and trying to keep an eye out for Ai (since he knows that it's Akemi's sister somehow).

Scar Akai or Akai? :V
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