Okiya Subaru's True Identity

[chitz38]

I think there's no way hes the new BO member bourbon cause more than the fact that Conan risked his own life over and over again just to bring the BO down, he would never risk Haibara nor the Professor's life making a new member stay at their neighborhood. I mean he has to have hints of him having the possibility of being a member due to Haibara's detecting skills. Plus he knows that when a BO member is around Haibara would threaten him of not leaving the house yet again... But to who Subaru-san is, i think we're in for a surprise...

[Rellik]

This is too risky, cause there is a very high possibility for Okiya to blow Conan's cover if he stays at the Kudo's residence.

he always takes risk, don't u think letting BO bug Agasa's place is very risky too?

and we don't know if Conan did something so Okiya won't find out Shinichi is still alive.

I found some interesting points that might show Okiya is Akai as well

[Nyarl]

Conan risked Ran's and Kogoro's lives by helping the FBI when the Org. infiltrated the hospital holding Kir. Aoyama even had Shuuichi warn Conan (link#1 link#2) that if the Org. discovered him helping the FBI he wouldn't be the only one caught in the resulting flames…

I can see Shin'ichi letting an Org. operative move into his house so he (and probably Shuuichi) could keep a close eye on him, rather than risk him slipping away.

[SkyVenger]

he always takes risk, don't u think letting BO bug Agasa's place is very risky too?

Did he know that Agasa's place was bugged at that time? Well, even if he knew, I don't see any advantage of him revealing his and Haibara's true identities to a BO member via bugs (esp. a high ranking member like Vermouth).

Conan risked Ran's and Kogoro's lives by helping the FBI when the Org. infiltrated the hospital holding Kir. Aoyama even had Shuuichi warn Conan (link#1 link#2) that if the Org. discovered him helping the FBI he wouldn't be the only one caught in the resulting flames…

I can see Shin'ichi letting an Org. operative move into his house so he (and probably Shuuichi) could keep a close eye on him, rather than risk him slipping away.

Shinichi will never risk the life of his most important "someone"; he helped the FBI because he also wanted to capture the BO, but if he gets revealed, all other people who knows the secret of the apotoxin will be killed along with him. That's why he does his best to hide his identity and reveal it to people only if necessary (or to avoid blackmails into revealing to more people *ex. Heiji lol). If he really can risk the lives of others, then he could just have told Ran everything about himself.

And if Okiya was really BO and he senses Conan keeping an eye on him, he could just transfer to another place, right? Anyways, if he is a BO, one of the worst case scenarios is for him to find out the truth. We can not assume him to hide the truth to the other members like what you (I mean Vermouth lol) did...

Though I believe he isn't.

[chitz38]

Thats exactly what i mean. Thanx for expanding it yume_no_metantei!

[Rellik]

i can still find more examples of how Conan always taking risk, that was just a bad one

well, if Okiya does sense Conan trackin him, Conan would become BO's target, so i guess if he is from BO, Conan would have to take it very carefully considering Okiya is also a 'detective' genius.

[sdf1macross]

Nope, he wouldn't take such risk, if he is not Shuuichi then he is someone he can trust. 

[Nyarl]

He might see Okiya as someone he trusts that he and Shuuichi can handle, just like he thought he could handle the Org. infiltrator in the hospital. Simply keeping the Org. ignorant about Shin'ichi isn't enough to guarantee Ran's safety, like Shuuichi pointed out, simply being seen helping the FBI as Conan would be bad enough. But, you guys can blow off Shuuichi's warning like Conan did if you want...

[sdf1macross]

I don't know, I wouldn't hand the keys to my house to someone from the BO, wether I think I can hadle him or not, he can get a lot of information from the house. 

[Nyarl]

I don't know, I wouldn't hand the keys to my house to someone from the BO, wether I think I can hadle him or not, he can get a lot of information from the house. 

What if you want the Org. to think Conan is working for you, rather than Kogoro, because otherwise Gin will deduce the detective in Beika who has been helping the FBI can only be Kogoro, a much worse situation for Ran than "learning" someone who is in hiding and rarely in contact with anyone besides his "brat assistant" is working against them? [spoiler for volume 61.8-10/episode 510-511]Of course, such a plan would be moot now that Ran clumsily tried to cover for Shin'ichi, making her seem complicit.[/spoiler]

ETA: Conan might think he needs such a desperate plan because he figures that Gin will never accept that the FBI is working completely on its own devices in Japan, heh, well, due to the nature of the devices Conan left for him to find. Gin probably has a good idea what technology the FBI uses, and he could easily have noticed Agasa's bugs/trackers don't match up too well with that, even if they have been crushed/shot before a thorough inspection.

[Rellik]

I don't know, I wouldn't hand the keys to my house to someone from the BO, wether I think I can hadle him or not, he can get a lot of information from the house. 

that is if you prepared the house so Okiya can't get even a tiny hint of info. It's not so hard especially if you have a personnal cleaner 

and Nyarl made a gd point as well

[sdf1macross]

But would you REALLY give the keys to that house to someone from the BO???, I mean Agasa lives right next door, it is kind of suspicious that Conan goes there a lot and gets weird inventions from him, they are most likely watching the houses around , besides Haibara is there too, would he put Haibara under that danger, the danger of being seen by someone from the BO almost everyday when she passes by, I find it hard to believe 

[chitz38]

I find that hard to believe to. BO is an Org that doesnt even have a slight conscience so even a 50-75% of suspicion that Haibara and Conan are Shinichi and Sherry, they'll burn the house down in a heartbeat! They do not care whoever gets hurt. So for that, its really a stupid plan to have BO near you!

[Nyarl]

But would you REALLY give the keys to that house to someone from the BO???, I mean Agasa lives right next door, it is kind of suspicious that Conan goes there a lot and gets weird inventions from him, they are most likely watching the houses around , besides Haibara is there too, would he put Haibara under that danger, the danger of being seen by someone from the BO almost everyday when she passes by, I find it hard to believe 

Now you folks are overlooking that Okiya had already been staying at a place Haibara passes frequently. Haibara could already have been under watch by the Org.

The real problem with the idea that Okiya is an Org. agent (and that Conan gave him the keys already suspecting this) [spoiler for 61.8pp3/episode 510]is that Conan doesn't seem to have much clue about Bourbon, and if he and Shuuichi were already monitoring someone they suspected of being an Org. agent, it would be easy for Conan to suspect that Org agent's codename would be Bourbon.[/spoiler] But, you folks are still overlooking that Conan is already putting Ran (and the others) in danger simply by helping the FBI as Conan...

[chitz38]

Now you folks are overlooking that Okiya had already been staying at a place Haibara passes frequently. Haibara could already have been under watch by the Org.

With this being the condition wouldn't it prove more that Okiya isn't a member? The Org has seen her when she was young and as the story portray that Okiya is equally intelligent as Shinichi is, he can figure that out in the first or second time she saw Haibara passing by and with some research on BO's Database, Professor Agasa's house should have been burned down by now...