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I see you got to the topic first... pardon any spelling or grammar errors, I did this quickly.

So far the manga has strongly hinted that Vermouth, Sharon, and Chris are all the same person.

Sharon Vineyard is Vermouth
Both Jodie and Conan (V42.10 p5) independently come to this conclusion from two different events. Jodie came to this conclusion from the matching fingerprints, and Conan from recalling the events of the NY case and adding it to his current investigation of Vermouth. Akai as well agreed with Jodie’s investigation results. It would be hard to believe that three different detectives would all be wrong.

Jodie’s investigation
Jodie’s father in the FBI was secretly investigating Vermouth twenty years before the current storyline. (433) That is too young for Chris Vineyard to be in disguise as she is only 29 currently (9 at the time) according to the Pisco case infobox. Sharon's age (~50+ currently, then about 30 or so) is probably about right though. Vermouth came to kill Jodie’s father, and at the time inadvertently handled Jodie’s father’s glasses barehanded which had fallen off of him and got her fingerprints on them. Vermouth would have assumed at the time this didn’t matter because Vermouth was planning to burn the house down to destroy all the evidence anyway. Unexpectedly, little Jodie came in and saw Vermouth holding the glasses. When Vermouth left after setting the house alight, she couldn’t have anticipated Jodie would have left to get juice, taking her father’s glasses with her and thus preserving the fingerprint. Vermouth herself said that she looked for Jodie desperately in order to rectify her mistake, but Jodie had since been put into witness protection.

Jodie suspected Chris Vineyard of being Vermouth when she saw her at Sharon’s funeral. She somehow determined Chris Vineyard’s prints matched those of the glasses. Since Chris would have been too young to commit a crime 20 years ago (she would be only 8/9 years old.), later, Jodie obtained Sharon’s fingerprints and matched those as well. All three matched, proving to Jodie that the three people were one and the same.

Fingerprints are unique; even identical twins’ prints do not match since the pattern is determined randomly while the fetus is developing. The likelihood of a mother’s and daughter’s fingerprints matching are basically nil. Furthermore, the prints on the glasses were left 20 years ago and by accident, meaning that they are a genuine, un-tampered-with article. Vermouth probably didn’t even know the glasses with her fingerprints were preserved by Jodie whose testimony was no doubt kept a secret along with her identity in the witness protection program. Thus, Vermouth wouldn’t have known that she needed to conceal her fingerprints as Sharon. Also, it is impossible for Chris Vineyard to forge Sharon’s fingerprints everywhere. Too many things require bare hands, it would be strange to wear gloves all the time, and the FBI in the USA has the mobility to obtain actual prints from many sources. Jodie certainly would have done this since she expected the birth records of Chris Vineyard to be false and therefore untrustworthy.

Shinichi’s Investigation
Beyond the fingerprints, there is Sharon’s participation in the New York case to consider. When Sharon and Shinichi first met, Sharon said, “That’s right, no angel has ever smiled upon me… not even once.” Sometime after Sharon left the play, Vermouth disguised herself as a serial killer to lure Akai out and failed. Gin himself later verified that Vermouth was disguised as the phantom serial killer who tried to lure out Akai.
After the incident where Ran and Shinichi saved Vermouth, later we see Sharon talking to Yukiko. She asks Yukiko to pass onto Ran that “she was right…after all there was an angel for me too.” It wouldn’t make sense for Sharon to be referring to Chris with a self referential line like that. Also, during the conversation, Sharon is holding her side in the same place the serial killer was shot. Also we know Vermouth uses the name “Angel” for Ran further implicating Sharon as Vermouth.

Shinichi suspected something was up when the serial killer’s blood and fingerprints on the stair rails were cleaned up, an action uncharacteristic for someone intending to commit suicide. It makes more sense to suspect someone was in disguise and had sacrificed someone when the plan went wrong. Since Sharon was the only person Shinichi knew about in the local area with high disguise abilities, suspicion naturally fell onto her.
In the more recent confrontation, Shinichi deduced from the way Vermouth was behaving that she was trying to avoid catching up Shinichi in her plan and was only targeting Haibara. Additionally Vermouth risked her neck several times to help or protect Conan, like in the bus jack case. Since Conan has no reason to be “protected” by Vermouth, Conan deduces Vermouth must know his identity as Shinichi and the reason for her “protection” must have to do with something he did as Shinichi. However, Sharon was the only one Shinichi had a connection with, and she is apparently dead. Sharon’s daughter Chris has never met Shinichi and is estranged from the mother so there isn’t an adequate motive to protect Shinichi with only her. Also, it wouldn’t make sense for Chris Vineyard, who isn’t a family friend like Sharon, to be able to recognize Shinichi as Conan; presumably Vermouth saw young Shinichi with Yukiko when she was Sharon learning disguise techniques from Toichi. All these clues come together when Conan makes the assumption that Sharon Vineyard is Chris Vineyard who disguised as the silver haired serial killer in NY.

Chris Vineyard is Vermouth
Most obviously Jodie accused Vermouth by the name of Chris Vineyard in the climax of the Party Showdown arc.
The American actress Chris Vineyard was Sakimaki Akiuji's Mourning Party at the Haido City hotel. She was given a purple handkerchief. When Pisco used a handkerchief to hide the gunshot sparks, he used his own. Vermouth in Gin's Car later commented that she had to give Pisco her own handkerchief, which must have been purple since Pisco was roped into the same suspect pool as the other people given purple handkerchiefs. Gin also commented that Vermouth had to fly over to Japan, which makes sense since Chris is an American actress.
Conan had Agasa investigate Chris during the Vermouth arc, showing that Conan suspects Chris Vineyard at the party to be Vermouth versus the other suspects.

It this might be in two parts. Part 1 Where I show how it is possible for Sharon to not be involved. Part 2 where I answer you evidence, and add reasons why Sharon is not Chris. But first I need something from you Ages of Chris current if possible, and age of Sharon at 'death'. Also it might be nice to have her husband age as well.

Part 1 Chris does her mother in and takes her place. She replaces her fingerprints card with her mothers. Until Ran rescue she would have killed either. Shinichi Mom that night talked to Chris not Sharon. As for earlier death of Jodie Father Depending on age if she was in her twenties then she ( Chris ) could have been the killer. WE know Chris is a star like mother. That takes time. The New York was a year ago. Jodie's Dad's Death was twenty years ago. If one member can study under the first KiD why not another. Please forgive me as I am for now just putting down ideas. We know it looked like a lady saying THE PHASE.
We not know know for sure who it was. With the ability of Great Disguises, it could have been anyone even a Man.

[quote="Chekhov MacGuffin"]
I see you got to the topic first... pardon any spelling or grammar errors, I did this quickly.

So far the manga has strongly hinted that Vermouth, Sharon, and Chris are all the same person.

Sharon Vineyard is Vermouth
Both Jodie and Conan (V42.10 p5) independently come to this conclusion from two different events. Jodie came to this conclusion from the matching fingerprints, and Conan from recalling the events of the NY case and adding it to his current investigation of Vermouth. Akai as well agreed with Jodie’s investigation results. It would be hard to believe that three different detectives would all be wrong.

Jodie’s investigation
Jodie’s father in the FBI was secretly investigating Vermouth twenty years before the current storyline. (433) That is too young for Chris Vineyard to be in disguise as she is only 29 according to the Pisco case infobox. Vermouth came to kill Jodie’s father, and at the time inadvertently handled Jodie’s father’s glasses barehanded which had fallen off of him and got her fingerprints on them. Vermouth would have assumed at the time this didn’t matter because Vermouth was planning to burn the house down to destroy all the evidence anyway. Unexpectedly, little Jodie came in and saw Vermouth holding the glasses. When Vermouth left after setting the house alight, she couldn’t have anticipated Jodie would have left to get juice, taking her father’s glasses with her and thus preserving the fingerprint. Vermouth herself said that she looked for Jodie desperately in order to rectify her mistake, but Jodie had since been put into witness protection.

Jodie suspected Chris Vineyard of being Vermouth when she saw her at Sharon’s funeral. She somehow determined Chris Vineyard’s prints matched those of the glasses. Since Chris would have been too young to commit a crime, later, Jodie obtained Sharon’s fingerprints and matched those as well. All three matched, proving to Jodie that the three people were one and the same.

Fingerprints are unique; even identical twins’ prints do not match since the pattern is determined randomly while the fetus is developing. The likelihood of a mother’s and daughter’s fingerprints matching are basically nil. Furthermore, the prints on the glasses were left 20 years ago and by accident, meaning that they are a genuine, un-tampered-with article. Vermouth probably didn’t even know the glasses with her fingerprints were preserved by Jodie whose testimony was no doubt kept a secret along with her identity in the witness protection program. Thus, Vermouth wouldn’t have known that she needed to conceal her fingerprints as Sharon. Also, it is impossible for Chris Vineyard to forge Sharon’s fingerprints everywhere. Too many things require bare hands, it would be strange to wear gloves all the time, and the FBI in the USA has the mobility to obtain actual prints from many sources. Jodie certainly would have done this since she expected the birth records of Chris Vineyard to be false and therefore untrustworthy.

Shinichi’s Investigation
Beyond the fingerprints, there is Sharon’s participation in the New York case to consider. When Sharon and Shinichi first met, Sharon said, “That’s right, no angel has ever smiled upon me… not even once.â€

Gotta love the text walls. Not least because it means all I have to do is say "I agree" instead of writing one myself XD

mangaluva wrote: Gotta love the text walls. Not least because it means all I have to do is say "I agree" instead of writing one myself XD

But which way? 

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:

sstimson wrote: At Sharon's funeral there is no mention of anything destroying her face. If the person getting Sharon ready for Burial is any good, wouldn't they discover the mask? That should show the person being buried was indeed Sharon.

You pay someone off, or have the vast criminal organization behind you rustle up some lackeys to pretend to do it.

Plastic surgery instead of a mask? Presumably the body at least resembled Sharon enough to stop rumors, given her fame, but I doubt it would need to be perfect. My experience is the next of kin officially confirms the identity of the deceased, and the next of kin in this case would be "Chris"... "Chris" would decide whether to have an open casket funeral, too.

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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:

sstimson wrote: At Sharon's funeral there is no mention of anything destroying her face. If the person getting Sharon ready for Burial is any good, wouldn't they discover the mask? That should show the person being buried was indeed Sharon.

You pay someone off, or have the vast criminal organization behind you rustle up some lackeys to pretend to do it.

Plastic surgery instead of a mask? Presumably the body at least resembled Sharon enough to stop rumors, given her fame, but I doubt it would need to be perfect. My experience is the next of kin officially confirms the identity of the deceased, and the next of kin in this case would be "Chris"... "Chris" would decide whether to have an open casket funeral, too.

You could do a wax sculpture. Those are freakily identical to real people to the point where it is hard to tell them from a real person even up close if you ignore the fact they aren't moving or breathing. ex. Obama's sculpture

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:

sstimson wrote: I still believe that Chris and Sharon are two completely different people. Chris used her mother's fingerprints to hide, making it look like her crimes were her mother's.

Too hard to pull off consistently and Jodie would have caught This. See other thread.

That depends on how long it was done. I am guessing a month tops

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:

sstimson wrote: Shinichi's Mom was friends with Sharon long enough to know if Sharon had a kid or not. There is no way for Sharon to be making a movie one place while Chris is making a different movie at the same time.

You are speculating here without evidence here so you can't prove this. We already know that Chris only came out into public after Sharon died, basically, the point was to minimize overlap. Sharon just lied to Yukiko.

No I think it is clear that Chris is a Movie star in her our right. Look at how she is introduced in the Pisco case. It might be possible for that to happen in one year, but I doubt it. No I sure Chris was making movies before the New York case. Also Can you show me that at the time of the New York case that Sharon had retired from Film life? If not then that should prove it possible for them to both be making movies at the same time. Chris might have been out of the public eye but she was working and making movie before the New York events. Chris was trying to live a private life while doing this. But while not making public appearance, she still was on the big screen.

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:

sstimson wrote: I believe that the Sharon who met Shinichi, and Ran in New York was the real one. If you look at the faces between Sharon pretending to a New York Police Detective then unmasking and the Current pictures of Chris, you will see they look completely different. A double mask would likely have shown and would not have fooled the New York traffic cop, so again that face should be the real one.

Hattori's double mask of Kudo's face fooled everyone just fine. Also, it doesn't take much makeup to appear older. A whole mask might not be necessary. A few spot touches might be all that are needed. Also it's a worthless argument that a new York cop wouldn't be fooled by a mask when the infinitely more observant Shinichi and his disguise artist mother were both fooled by the Radish mask in the first place.

There is a major diference between removing a mask and then some makeup vs removing two faces. My point was a mask like the first one heiji was wearing would be seen by that traffic cop. What Sharon removed was more like a face. Can you tell me it is possible to remove one face and keep the other face hidden?

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:

sstimson wrote: Another proof of them being different people is the way they act. Chris acts very much like a mostly unfeeling killer. Sharon does not act that way. Is it possible for one actress to completely double act?

Vermouth in an actress and a good one at that. She can manage.

That is true to a point But again we have a time factor.  Yukiko seems to have known Sharon a long time. Is Vermouth a good enough actress to do this over a long period of time?

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:

sstimson wrote: As for APTX, Shiro would have been on the scene when Chris would have taken the drug (in the year of the New York case, about a year ago).

You are contradicting yourself. Chris is already young in the current timeline, so wouldn't need to take any sort of age decreasing drug. In the argument you are trying to make Sharon != Chris, you would want to argue AGAINST Chris taking and sort of anti aging drug because an anti-aging drug actually hurts your arguments, not helps them.

You are right. This comment was only to show it was possible for Chris to have taken the drug. Vermount would not need the drug if she was still in her 20's like I believe.

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:

sstimson wrote: It goes back to that New York case. I think Shinichi's Mom is smart enough to tell if that is happening and yet there is no sign of her believing that.... Also remember the very cruel trick Chris played on Sharon by pretending to be Sharon's Husband at said person funeral. The Personality of the two ladies is completely different. I do not think Shinichi's Mom could have been friends with such a cruel person.

Vermouth is a good actress.

Read the above comment. How long could Sharon do this act before Yukiko got wish to it. The long an actor must stay in character, the more chance for them to make that mistake which gives the game away.

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:

sstimson wrote: Also Chris' Movies should also be a clue as I am sure that they overlapped Sharon's. You care to explain how one person can be in two places at the same time?

Can you point me to an independently verified scene in the manga where they both appeared at the same time? There isn't one, so it doesn't make much sense to argue about how they both appeared at the same when there actually isn't an instance of both of them appearing at the same time.

sstimson wrote: Also remember the very cruel trick Chris played on Sharon by pretending to be Sharon's Husband at said person funeral.

Vermouth lied.

Both Sharon and her Husband Funeral had both of them there.

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:

sstimson wrote: At Sharon's funeral there is no mention of anything destroying her face. If the person getting Sharon ready for Burial is any good, wouldn't they discover the mask? That should show the person being buried was indeed Sharon.

You pay someone off, or have the vast criminal organization behind you rustle up some lackeys to pretend to do it.

If the person is a nobody maybe, but famous persons are treated differently. The Body would mostly likely not only be worked on by the
mortician but also an ME. This makes it less likely for a switch not to have been noticed. No  there is a very good chance the body was indeed sharon's

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Also you never put your side of the arguments in the “Sharon is a Bo member?â€

sstimson wrote:

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:

sstimson wrote: I still believe that Chris and Sharon are two completely different people. Chris used her mother's fingerprints to hide, making it look like her crimes were her mother's.

Too hard to pull off consistently and Jodie would have caught This. See other thread.

That depends on how long it was done. I am guessing a month tops.

There is a very serious problem with this theory that I explained above. Vermouth touched Jodie's father's glasses 20 years ago, which would be impossible for the then nine year old Chris to pull off. That means the Vermouth back then wasn't Chris... So who was the Vermouth from twenty years ago? Furthermore, I explained above that it was extremely unlikely for that evidence to be intentionally forged because of the circumstances, and that it was unlikely Vermouth even knew about the fingerprint surviving because Jodie was put into witness protection, and the house was burnt down so she wouldn't notice the lack of glasses later on because everything was destroyed. Basically Vermouth wouldn't know she has to hide her fingerprints from the FBI because she didn't know her fingerprints survived. Fast forward to the current time when, according to your theory, the Vermouth from 20 years ago is different from the Chris of today... How would Chris know she is supposed to hide her fingerprints? She's not psychic, and neither is the organization. Also, Jodie, suspecting that Chris's birth records were forged because she thinks Sharon=Chris would definitely look into alternate sources of fingerprints. She could get them from anywhere: props in movies, car doors, autographs going back for years as long as Chris was around. Do you think Chris Vineyard could get away with fake fingerprints or gloves for years without a single mistake? It's unlikely and Jodie has been shown to be competent at investigation.

sstimson wrote:

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: We already know that Chris only came out into public after Sharon died, basically, the point was to minimize overlap. Sharon just lied to Yukiko.

No I think it is clear that Chris is a Movie star in her our right. Look at how she is introduced in the Pisco case. It might be possible for that to happen in one year, but I doubt it. No I sure Chris was making movies before the New York case. Also Can you show me that at the time of the New York case that Sharon had retired from Film life? If not then that should prove it possible for them to both be making movies at the same time. Chris might have been out of the public eye but she was working and making movie before the New York events. Chris was trying to live a private life while doing this. But while not making public appearance, she still was on the big screen.

That's the point; the way their lives were scheduled, one person could play both roles. Sharon doesn't have to be retired from making movies. All she has to do is not be working and be doing personal things away from the public eye while the Chris is out in the open. Chris basically only showed up for interviews and movie making while Sharon was around; she didn't have much of a public life outside of that until Sharon "died". It had to be that way because the time when Chris was "in private", Sharon was busy making public appearances and vice versa.

sstimson wrote: There is a major diference between removing a mask and then some makeup vs removing two faces. My point was a mask like the first one heiji was wearing would be seen by that traffic cop. What Sharon removed was more like a face. Can you tell me it is possible to remove one face and keep the other face hidden?

You don't need a full mask to appear older, clever use of a durable oil based makeup will work. You can find videos on youtube of people applying it under "old age makeup". Most of them are shooting for senior citizen: Sharon Vineyard is ~50 and an actress at that so the amount of makeup needed will be much less than these videos for full blown aging effects show. With good stage makeup which is designed to take perspiration, high heat, and minor smudgy abuse when applied properly, with a good dose of DC-routinely-exaggerates-reasonable-disguise-abilities, a mask over some makeup isn't impossible.

sstimson wrote: That is true to a point But again we have a time factor.  Yukiko seems to have known Sharon a long time. Is Vermouth a good enough actress to do this over a long period of time? ...Read the above comment. How long could Sharon do this act before Yukiko got wish to it. The long an actor must stay in character, the more chance for them to make that mistake which gives the game away.

Yep. If she can pull off Araide who is about the nicest person in the series to date, she can pull off Sharon. Vermouth doesn't have to worry about going out of character if she made up her Sharon persona from scratch. Besides, Sharon acts like Vermouth anyway minus the Org missions, so Vermouth might not even have to disguise her personality much anyway.

sstimson wrote: Both Sharon and her Husband Funeral had both of them there.

Sharon's funeral had Sharon in a casket which doesn't look open based on the pictures. Even so there are plenty of opportunities for wax sculptures or disguised dead bodies and such. Regarding the husband's death, Sharon says Chris appeared when she was laying flowers on her husband's grave. That doesn't mean this story occurred at the husband's funeral: it could be any time Sharon visited the graveyard. Also, the source of that story is Sharon Vineyard. I don't think she is trustworthy. Unless there were independent witnesses, there is no reason to assume she is being truthful because she has a vested interest in pretending Chris and Sharon are different people.

sstimson wrote: If the person is a nobody maybe, but famous persons are treated differently. The Body would mostly likely not only be worked on by the
mortician but also an ME. This makes it less likely for a switch not to have been noticed. No  there is a very good chance the body was indeed sharon's

This doesn't take much imagination to blow holes in. You have a giant criminal organization working for you: you have bribes, disguises, fake companies, and lots of lackeys at your disposal. I'm sure you can come up with something up to as extreme as killing the main person responsible for investigating the death, taking their place during the investigation, and faking their death in an unsuspicious way later.

sstimson wrote: You are saying Sharon Lied. So my turn to ask what do you base that statement on?

That she is Vermouth per all the evidence I gave above.

There are three ways to show you that Chris did appear at the same time as Sharon

1) Is Sharon's Funeral. The key words are PUBLIC and MOVIE STAR. A private funeral I can see Chris getting away with a closed casket. But this was a PUBLIC EVENT. Also to kill rumors about still being alive, it would be a very good idea for it to have been open casket. Closed casket in this case would start rumors about if the person was really dead or not. Such rumors would cause Reporters to try and get their scoop by showing sharon alive. This might make it hard for Chris to do her BO duties. Thus it was most likely Open casket and this makes your wax idea likely to get found out. Remember at this event are reporters who might be trying to prove Sharon alive. They are going to look over the body very carefully.
Will continue with my reasoning later. Please Do not reply to this message yet.

2) has to do with reporters watch and reporting every move either Sharon or Chris make.Again done wrong they will be rumors about them being the same person
3) Has to do with can you remove a mask glued to your face without remove the makeup under it

It has not been specified how Sharon died.  Perhaps in an incident where her face was blown off?

I was not aware that every time a celebrity dies, reporters are around to try to prove that the celebrity is not actually dead.

Abs. wrote: It has not been specified how Sharon died.  Perhaps in an incident where her face was blown off?

I was not aware that every time a celebrity dies, reporters are around to try to prove that the celebrity is not actually dead.

I think it started with Elvis

sstimson wrote: 1) Is Sharon's Funeral. The key words are PUBLIC and MOVIE STAR. A private funeral I can see Chris getting away with a closed casket. But this was a PUBLIC EVENT. Also to kill rumors about still being alive, it would be a very good idea for it to have been open casket. Closed casket in this case would start rumors about if the person was really dead or not. Such rumors would cause Reporters to try and get their scoop by showing sharon alive.

Sharon is jewish, and in jewish funerals you're not supposed to see the body. There, this ends this conflict 

sstimson wrote: Thus it was most likely Open casket and this makes your wax idea likely to get found out. Remember at this event are reporters who might be trying to prove Sharon alive. They are going to look over the body very carefully.

Actually, I've seen it done in fiction before (the use of wax puppet in a casket), and only when one of the characters touched the body, it broke and they found it wasn't real. Until then, everyone thought it was a real body.
Point is, DC is fiction, and such method would be used in fiction had you wanted to have a body. Just like the DC masks are perfect, a wax doll can also be perfect enough to fool reporters.

sstimson wrote: 2) has to do with reporters watch and reporting every move either Sharon or Chris make.Again done wrong they will be rumors about them being the same person

You are expecting Gosho to go REALLY deep into this whole thing.

sstimson wrote: 3) Has to do with can you remove a mask glued to your face without remove the makeup under it

eh......actually, there are types of makeup that wouldn't be damaged even by water.
Also, if you're going so deep into the mask conflict, why do we never see some remains of the mask (from the glue) on Vermouth's face after she removes the mask?

Kor wrote:

sstimson wrote: 1) Is Sharon's Funeral. The key words are PUBLIC and MOVIE STAR. A private funeral I can see Chris getting away with a closed casket. But this was a PUBLIC EVENT. Also to kill rumors about still being alive, it would be a very good idea for it to have been open casket. Closed casket in this case would start rumors about if the person was really dead or not. Such rumors would cause Reporters to try and get their scoop by showing sharon alive.

Sharon is jewish, and in jewish funerals you're not supposed to see the body. There, this ends this conflict 

sstimson wrote: Thus it was most likely Open casket and this makes your wax idea likely to get found out. Remember at this event are reporters who might be trying to prove Sharon alive. They are going to look over the body very carefully.

Actually, I've seen it done in fiction before (the use of wax puppet in a casket), and only when one of the characters touched the body, it broke and they found it wasn't real. Until then, everyone thought it was a real body.
Point is, DC is fiction, and such method would be used in fiction had you wanted to have a body. Just like the DC masks are perfect, a wax doll can also be perfect enough to fool reporters.

sstimson wrote: 2) has to do with reporters watch and reporting every move either Sharon or Chris make.Again done wrong they will be rumors about them being the same person

You are expecting Gosho to go REALLY deep into this whole thing.

sstimson wrote: 3) Has to do with can you remove a mask glued to your face without remove the makeup under it

eh......actually, there are types of makeup that wouldn't be damaged even by water.
Also, if you're going so deep into the mask conflict, why do we never see some remains of the mask (from the glue) on Vermouth's face after she removes the mask?

Sharon  is Jewish??? Did the Manga mention that!?

Shuuichi Akai wrote:

Kor wrote:

sstimson wrote: 1) Is Sharon's Funeral. The key words are PUBLIC and MOVIE STAR. A private funeral I can see Chris getting away with a closed casket. But this was a PUBLIC EVENT. Also to kill rumors about still being alive, it would be a very good idea for it to have been open casket. Closed casket in this case would start rumors about if the person was really dead or not. Such rumors would cause Reporters to try and get their scoop by showing sharon alive.

Sharon is jewish, and in jewish funerals you're not supposed to see the body. There, this ends this conflict  :P

sstimson wrote: Thus it was most likely Open casket and this makes your wax idea likely to get found out. Remember at this event are reporters who might be trying to prove Sharon alive. They are going to look over the body very carefully.

Actually, I've seen it done in fiction before (the use of wax puppet in a casket), and only when one of the characters touched the body, it broke and they found it wasn't real. Until then, everyone thought it was a real body.
Point is, DC is fiction, and such method would be used in fiction had you wanted to have a body. Just like the DC masks are perfect, a wax doll can also be perfect enough to fool reporters.

sstimson wrote: 2) has to do with reporters watch and reporting every move either Sharon or Chris make.Again done wrong they will be rumors about them being the same person

You are expecting Gosho to go REALLY deep into this whole thing.

sstimson wrote: 3) Has to do with can you remove a mask glued to your face without remove the makeup under it

eh......actually, there are types of makeup that wouldn't be damaged even by water.
Also, if you're going so deep into the mask conflict, why do we never see some remains of the mask (from the glue) on Vermouth's face after she removes the mask?

Sharon  is Jewish??? Did the Manga mention that!?

I thought the smiley implied I was only joking.....
I very much doubt Gosho would ever insert any religous related issues. I've never actually seen a jewish character in a manga/anime.