Chekhov's theories about the plot

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Have you already a idea about the ending? Or do you have posted it and i missed it?  -.-

Not really. I have posted some isolated things like I think Ran and Kogoro and Conan are going to be the most important characters in the boss showdown, that Gin is most likely going to die, etc... I don't think that is what you really want though because it is not particularly evidenced based or informative.

[S.Vineyard]

@Chek:

I just read throught your Vermouth theory about her being actually even older than we already think. For some reason I had to think about another quasi "immortal" in fiction: The Doctor in Doctor Who. In many occasions we have seen the price for longlivety in his behavior.

Spoiler:

- He can't have longtime relationships with his companions since they age and someday will die.
- Also he can't "feel" anymore like somebody younger .(Example: like having a real home). "Immortal" beings have to tendedancy to forget feeling that are common for mortals. Another example is "Max Schreck" in "Shadow of the Vampire", were he refers that the scene were Dracula is laying the table as the most "sad" scene in the book for him. The reason for this is that Dracula has lived for centuries alone and without servant and now has to host a guest "Jonathan Harker". He has complete forgotten how to buy normal things like bread and wine and now remembers the things he has lost.

It are such occasions that make "immortals" more bitter, specially if they have to live in seclution to hide their longlivety.

[Borealis]

*tagging this thread*
May I tell you that I wouldn't have deduced or even quessed more than two things of all the things you pointed out?
You are awesome!


@S.V: Vermouth a Timelord?
Why does this make more sense to me than it should?

[Stopwatch]

I kinda find Jack Harkness a slightly better example (minus the 51st century view to... some things :x). But, anyway, I should probably stop adding in random DW/TW references :x
(I would've said River, but she's not really immortal so :x (though they're pretty similar in personality and have a catchphrase: 'Spoilers!' and 'A secret makes a woman, woman')

[rrizqiw]

well me and my friend created this crack theory. probably wrong since it maybe to bizzare (hence crack theory)

Spoiler:

-Sera is Akai mother! since she keep telling her breast will go larger. silly evidence but oh well
-Get Apotoxinated by BO.
-Maybe once work at FBI hence why people familiar with her
-Vermouth probably already tell her about conan true identity

-Amuro is you normal Private Detective
-Closely linked to Akai family. probably the only person know about Sera true identity
-Both Amuro and Sera maybe meet Shinichi or Yusaku once before

-Subaru is akai

-All three of them is bourbon. or at least they work under BO to instigate (or even protect if the order is come from vermouth) People Around Conan[/li][/list]

also Q to Chekov.

- who do you think person how call Subaru and sera at ch 800?
- What make Sera knows Conan is Shinichi? also do you think they once meet before?

[silverbullet4869]

well me and my friend created this crack theory. probably wrong since it maybe to bizzare (hence crack theory)



Spoiler:

-Sera is Akai mother! since she keep telling her breast will go larger. silly evidence but oh well
-Get Apotoxinated by BO.
-Maybe once work at FBI hence why people familiar with her
-Vermouth probably already tell her about conan true identity

-Amuro is you normal Private Detective
-Closely linked to Akai family. probably the only person know about Sera true identity
-Both Amuro and Sera maybe meet Shinichi or Yusaku once before

-Subaru is akai

-All three of them is bourbon. or at least they work under BO to instigate (or even protect if the order is come from vermouth) People Around Conan[/li]

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

well me and my friend created this crack theory. probably wrong since it maybe to bizzare (hence crack theory)

Spoiler:

-Sera is Akai mother! since she keep telling her breast will go larger. silly evidence but oh well

-Get Apotoxinated by BO.
-Maybe once work at FBI hence why people familiar with her
-Vermouth probably already tell her about conan true identity

-Amuro is you normal Private Detective
-Closely linked to Akai family. probably the only person know about Sera true identity
-Both Amuro and Sera maybe meet Shinichi or Yusaku once before

-Subaru is akai

-All three of them is bourbon. or at least they work under BO to instigate (or even protect if the order is come from vermouth) People Around Conan

Spoiler: my feelings about this theory

- who do you think person how call Subaru and sera at ch 800?

I do not know who Akai and Sera called in 800. I speculated Akai might be calling the accomplices who helped him at Raiha pass, but I am not sure. I have no idea about Sera.

- What make Sera knows Conan is Shinichi? also do you think they once meet before?

After Akai "died", the FBI sent the things Akai had in Japan back to America. An FBI agent gave these things to Akai's family when the agent went to the Akai family home to report the bad news that Shuuichi was dead. Sera, looking for clues about why her brother died, found a strange picture in Akai's things...

Spoiler: picture

Sera then did a lot of research on everyone in the picture, just like Eisuke. Conan's secret identity became a lot more clear because Yukiko was in the picture which no doubt lead Sera to Shinichi Kudo. Sera tried to figure out who Haibara was too because Haibara was the most important person in the picture. However, Haibara keeps aways from the news, so Sera found very little information. Sera was forced to collect really bad pictures from reflections in internet videos just to get info. Conan was a lot more interesting, and in the news much more, so she was able to do better on him than Haibara.

[rrizqiw]

i did say it crack theory. mostly is her idea. i just to here to post it . she kinda crazy. thought i kinda agree with some of her point like shinichi maybe meet already sera before the series begun

After Akai "died", the FBI sent the things Akai had in Japan back to America. An FBI agent gave these things to Akai's family when the agent went to the Akai family home to report the bad news that Shuuichi was dead. Sera, looking for clues about why her brother died, found a strange picture in Akai's things...

where do you get this info? i am really doubt that FBI go ahead and tell akai is dead to their family.

also i kinda found it bizzare if sera already done quite lot of research. why she hasn't got to shinichi house (and accidentally meet Subaru). oh well, maybe Gosho save it for later chapter.

also how about second part of question. what the chance sera once meet shinichi before? or maybe she just shinichi fan for long time?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

After Akai "died", the FBI sent the things Akai had in Japan back to America. An FBI agent gave these things to Akai's family when the agent went to the Akai family home to report the bad news that Shuuichi was dead. Sera, looking for clues about why her brother died, found a strange picture in Akai's things...

where do you get this info? i am really doubt that FBI go ahead and tell akai is dead to their family.

In America, when an officer/agent/government official dies in the line of duty, it is standard procedure for the agency to send an officer to inform the family and return that person's personal effects. Even families with undercover agents get told of their family member's death, even though they may be sworn to secrecy.
I'm arguing that picture Akai had and took out of his truck before the fake death plan wound up being accidentally sent back to his home.

also how about second part of question. what the chance sera once meet shinichi before? or maybe she just shinichi fan for long time?

I don't know. I don't see any exclusive evidence for it.

[rrizqiw]

well page 801 it seem she already knew Shinichi is Holmes fan for very long time. probably before they meet together.

this maybe something that she research find out. but my instinct is that Sera already knew a lot of Shinichi before Akai death.

so maybe she is his fan or she may already meet him before and involved in sort of case

[Borealis]

@rrizqiw:Maybe Yuusaku gave an intervew and told the reporter(s) that his son is a big Sherlock Holmes fan
she could even have written a paper about Yuusaku and intervewed him personally.

[rrizqiw]

that is a possibility but i thought it will be to far fetch and boring for Gosho to leave a hint if that is the outcome

[Citan]

Well Shinichi is/was fairly famous in his own right (At least in Japan) and possibly has become moreso since his "disappearance". So it's not suprising if Sera had heard of him, and it wouldn't be hard to find out more about him with minimal research. (Being a local celeberity in Tokyo there'd be plenty of media info on him).

As for Conan, as much as he'd like to think otherwise he hasn't exactly been keeping a low profile. Anyone who pays attention will be easily able to find out about the many cases he's solved personally or had a hand in solving. Also he's become known BY THE MEDIA as the rival of the Kaito Kid, having "defeated" him several times all by himself. (By defeated I obviously mean foiling the robbery, not catching him) There'sd also his exploits with the Detective Boys which gained enough fame for a local free writer to want to interview them (But was killed before he could) and for even Yoko Okino to want to interview them on the golden hour of Nichiuri TV (Which was comically refused due to a misunderstanding by the DBs.)

So if you're Sera and are checking up on Shinichi/Conan, and you find both are skilled detectives who look and act exactly the same, and the former disappeared at the same time the later showed up, well... any halfway decent detective (Except Kogoro) would figure out something was up. (Or at the very least be interested in this 6-7 year old kid with the skills and mind of a full grown adult detective). So I don't see any reason that Sera after having seen the picture as Chekhov suggested, couldn't have at least figured out that Conan is a capable detective in his own right (Or possibly more depending on how good of a detective she is), and would naturally want to know why her brother (If that's true) has a picture of him and his friends.

[Misztina]

In America, when an officer/agent/government official dies in the line of duty, it is standard procedure for the agency to send an officer to inform the family and return that person's personal effects. Even families with undercover agents get told of their family member's death, even though they may be sworn to secrecy.
I'm arguing that picture Akai had and took out of his truck before the fake death plan wound up being accidentally sent back to his home.

Can we say that those photos were his personal belongings rather than FBI evidences? I don't think that they would send back investigation material to the families. This doesn't mean of course that Sera couldn't have seen those pictures, because she may have some sort of a connection to the FBI (besides being Akai's sister (if she is)).

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

In America, when an officer/agent/government official dies in the line of duty, it is standard procedure for the agency to send an officer to inform the family and return that person's personal effects. Even families with undercover agents get told of their family member's death, even though they may be sworn to secrecy.
I'm arguing that picture Akai had and took out of his truck before the fake death plan wound up being accidentally sent back to his home.

Can we say that those photos were his personal belongings rather than FBI evidences? I don't think that they would send back investigation material to the families. This doesn't mean of course that Sera couldn't have seen those pictures, because she may have some sort of a connection to the FBI (besides being Akai's sister (if she is)).

Akai might have put it with his personal things. Shuuichi did keep the Haibara picture in his truck after all. He may have just dumped it with his personal stuff the night of the fake death plan, which was probably full of rushing to get everything prepared under the FBI's nose, help the FBI with their plan, and watch out for the Black Org all at the same time. It's also possible Akai feels sentimental about Shiho, especially if Akemi made Akai promise to protect her with the text message.