Chekhov's theories about the plot

[kkslider5552000]

Santa is the new mystery character (somehow, this isn't the first Shonen Sunday title to do that)

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

It's just best to say Ran is dumb, which is true.

I wouldn't call her dumb, just normal. She is dumb by comparison to the army of high school detective geniuses and professional law enforcement agents. Anyways, I don't want this thread to get sidetracked on Ran's intelligence.

Both Sstimson and Kuroshiro need to go back and check their facts against the manga.

[kuro_shiro]

wow you think ran is quite smart let me tell two special facts about her
she is NOT a smart and strong high school girl.
she is strong high school girl who thinks exactly what gosho wants her to think.

Worst argument ever.

you do know that inspiration for that argument comes from FOLLOWING argument from a dctp moderator

glasses are perfect for disguise in dc according to law of fictions

i am NOT trying to say that the moderator is in some .. or something
.
i am just pointing out that DC is not that realistic especially if you consider that conan knows everything about gosho can find ,but does not know that one year has only one summer and only one winter season

if you consider file 668.6 where ran proposed conan to take bath with her ,then it stands to reason that any suspicions related to conan=shinichi must come after that.

PS yes Kor was the moderator in question .

[leokiko]

It's just best to say Ran is dumb, which is true.

I wouldn't call her dumb, just normal. She is dumb by comparison to the army of high school detective geniuses and professional law enforcement agents. Anyways, I don't want this thread to get sidetracked on Ran's intelligence.

Both Sstimson and Kuroshiro need to go back and check their facts against the manga.

Ok, I'm sorry. But I don't think she is smart either. I will stop here.

[sstimson]

It's just best to say Ran is dumb, which is true.

I wouldn't call her dumb, just normal. She is dumb by comparison to the army of high school detective geniuses and professional law enforcement agents. Anyways, I don't want this thread to get sidetracked on Ran's intelligence.

Both Sstimson and Kuroshiro need to go back and check their facts against the manga.

I know what you are think. And I did look. All one can see is a car trunk ,which might be open a crack. A completely closed trunk would have very little air when she moves out. More evidence she know somewhat is going on. Remember she called in the police, and She did not jump out right away. She waited until the critical moment. How would she know when to jump out unless she was either listening or watching?

AS for smartness. First time before Yukiko appeared ,she was almost right on about what had happened. The cae where the husband was slowly poison his wife, Ran could tell something was wrong even when Conan saw nothing wrong. And the Case just before the ship case, She by herself figured out what was going on. Yes she did make a call, but that was because of fear, and if I remember right, he avoided solving it for her. After a period of time, she again by herself figured out Conan phone code.

And Look at her parents. In one case before the break up and when he is not being lazy, Kogorou can be a good detective. And then we got her mom, the lawyer Queen, a person who without question is smart and might though no proof know that something is off about Conan. The way I see it you do not give Ran enough credit. Some say a normal girl with normal intelligence. Yes compared to the geniuses of Heiji, and Shinichi, she might seem dumb, but I still claim she is above normal intelligence.

[Suutashi]

It's just best to say Ran is dumb, which is true.

I wouldn't call her dumb, just normal. She is dumb by comparison to the army of high school detective geniuses and professional law enforcement agents. Anyways, I don't want this thread to get sidetracked on Ran's intelligence.

Both Sstimson and Kuroshiro need to go back and check their facts against the manga.

I know what you are think. And I did look. All one can see is a car trunk ,which might be open a crack. A completely closed trunk would have very little air when she moves out. More evidence she know somewhat is going on. Remember she called in the police, and She did not jump out right away. She waited until the critical moment. How would she know when to jump out unless she was either listening or watching?

AS for smartness. First time before Yukiko appeared ,she was almost right on about what had happened. The cae where the husband was slowly poison his wife, Ran could tell something was wrong even when Conan saw nothing wrong. And the Case just before the ship case, She by herself figured out what was going on. Yes she did make a call, but that was because of fear, and if I remember right, he avoided solving it for her. After a period of time, she again by herself figured out Conan phone code.

And Look at her parents. In one case before the break up and when he is not being lazy, Kogorou can be a good detective. And then we got her mom, the lawyer Queen, a person who without question is smart and might though no proof know that something is off about Conan. The way I see it you do not give Ran enough credit. Some say a normal girl with normal intelligence. Yes compared to the geniuses of Heiji, and Shinichi, she might seem dumb, but I still claim she is above normal intelligence.

That's easy to explain. Ran called the police when she first started to hear gunfire and she didn't come out of the trunk until the police dispatcher told her that the police were on their way.

[sstimson]

So you are saying because of CHANCE Ai was saved? Sorry, but i will stick with my idea of watching and moving when she needed to. Your way raises two questions. First, what if the Police have taken three minutes more, does that not mean that Haibara would be dead? Second, why would Ran move from the safe trunk. Why not wait until she heard the police sirens?

Also a correction: Chapter 700 page 7, Ran does indeed seem to be a little surprised. Mind you that does not mean that they did not off page keep in touch, only that Ran did not know Jodie was still in Japan.

[Kor]

wow you think ran is quite smart let me tell two special facts about her
she is NOT a smart and strong high school girl.
she is strong high school girl who thinks exactly what gosho wants her to think.

Worst argument ever.

you do know that inspiration for that argument comes from FOLLOWING argument from a dctp moderator

glasses are perfect for disguise in dc according to law of fictions

i am NOT trying to say that the moderator is in some .. or something
.
i am just pointing out that DC is not that realistic especially if you consider that conan knows everything about gosho can find ,but does not know that one year has only one summer and only one winter season

if you consider file 668.6 where ran proposed conan to take bath with her ,then it stands to reason that any suspicions related to conan=shinichi must come after that.

PS yes Kor was the moderator in question .

You fail even more considering that once again I have to remind you - I was being sarcastic. If you take an "argument" from a post that was never meant to be taken seriously, and then "use it" as an argument in a serious post, don't expect it to make sense.
Unless you're going to say that your whole discussion with Sstimson is just for the lulz, (though I doubt that would be the case since you did put kinda effort into those posts), I'm going to say it once again - worst argument ever.

[kuro_shiro]

worst or best as long it is possible (and sane) it is an argument.(atleast until somebody disprove it )

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Just to be clear here the reason Abs. locked the thread for a week was because the last argument got out of hand. Keep it cool, and just let the dead debate lie.

[kuro_shiro]

Just to be clear here the reason Abs. locked the thread for a week was because the last argument got out of hand. Keep it cool, and just let the dead debate lie.

got it.

[asanez2008]

My  theory about the boss.

* the boss is none other than bourbon.
* The boss  use the drug that well known in the series(i forgot the name ) to make himself look younger like Velmont and Velmont must be the one who indroduce the drugs to him.

that can explain why she was the boss favorite .

Now that i think about it, this idea seems irrelevant to the latest chapter so Ignore this if you like.

Random post is Random

[ThatPerson]

@ Chekhov MacGuffin

Hey, I have read your theory numerous times and I'd like to commend you for the great job you did of amassing all the information and proof to back it up (unfortunately, I don't believe your theory as a whole but I believe some parts are right). I just want to ask, and sorry if this is repeated question, but you believe that Okiya is Akai and that Conan knows this, correct? Well, after seeing the Red T-shirt case, specifically the part where Okiya notices Scar Akai and gives and smirk, would you say that Okiya knows who that is? Well then, why wouldn't he tell Conan since he knows Conan has already come across him and may want to keep him and Haibara safe if Scar Akai is indeed bourbon?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

@ Chekhov MacGuffin

Hey, I have read your theory numerous times and I'd like to commend you for the great job you did of amassing all the information and proof to back it up (unfortunately, I don't believe your theory as a whole but I believe some parts are right). I just want to ask, and sorry if this is repeated question, but you believe that Okiya is Akai and that Conan knows this, correct? Well, after seeing the Red T-shirt case, specifically the part where Okiya notices Scar Akai and gives and smirk, would you say that Okiya knows who that is? Well then, why wouldn't he tell Conan since he knows Conan has already come across him and may want to keep him and Haibara safe if Scar Akai is indeed bourbon?

Congratulations on reading through the theories. Someone at DCW named Scar Akai whose paper supply I am highly concerned for printed them all out to a total of 130 pages.

For sure I agree with Okiya being Akai and Conan and knowing Okiya is Akai. As for Okiya knowing Scar Akai, I think he deduced Scar Akai was someone bad, and likely BO, but that doesn't necessarily mean he knows which one it is because a disguise is involved. He might make a good guess though.
I do believe that Okiya did happen to inform Conan someone bad was disguised as Scar Akai using the following line: Actually, I happened to see him on that floor. Unfortunately, it seems he wasn't who I thought he was, so I didn't talk to him. I've known his face for a very long time... There's no way I could be mistaken." You can parse his quote this way: "Actually, I happened to see that person who looked like Akai on that floor. This Akai wasn't the real Akai (since I'm the real one), and I didn't confront him. Being the real Akai, this scar Akai is obviously someone else..." Okiya is layering his conversation with a second meaning, confirming there is someone disguising as Akai for Conan's benefit, and Conan is surprised and nervous about the info since scar Akai is someone in disguise, possibly an operative from the Black Organization because they have the necessary information and motives. Conan seems to have understood the message because he looks concerned as he watches Okiya finish.

[ThatPerson]

@ Chekhov MacGuffin

Hey, I have read your theory numerous times and I'd like to commend you for the great job you did of amassing all the information and proof to back it up (unfortunately, I don't believe your theory as a whole but I believe some parts are right). I just want to ask, and sorry if this is repeated question, but you believe that Okiya is Akai and that Conan knows this, correct? Well, after seeing the Red T-shirt case, specifically the part where Okiya notices Scar Akai and gives and smirk, would you say that Okiya knows who that is? Well then, why wouldn't he tell Conan since he knows Conan has already come across him and may want to keep him and Haibara safe if Scar Akai is indeed bourbon?

Congratulations on reading through the theories. Someone at DCW named Scar Akai whose paper supply I am highly concerned for printed them all out to a total of 130 pages.

For sure I agree with Okiya being Akai and Conan and knowing Okiya is Akai. As for Okiya knowing Scar Akai, I think he deduced Scar Akai was someone bad, and likely BO, but that doesn't necessarily mean he knows which one it is because a disguise is involved. He might make a good guess though.
I do believe that Okiya did happen to inform Conan someone bad was disguised as Scar Akai using the following line: Actually, I happened to see him on that floor. Unfortunately, it seems he wasn't who I thought he was, so I didn't talk to him. I've known his face for a very long time... There's no way I could be mistaken." You can parse his quote this way: "Actually, I happened to see that person who looked like Akai on that floor. This Akai wasn't the real Akai (since I'm the real one), and I didn't confront him. Being the real Akai, this scar Akai is obviously someone else..." Okiya is layering his conversation with a second meaning, confirming there is someone disguising as Akai for Conan's benefit, and Conan is surprised and nervous about the info since scar Akai is someone in disguise, possibly an operative from the Black Organization because they have the necessary information and motives. Conan seems to have understood the message because he looks concerned as he watches Okiya finish.

Well the only thing that confuses me is, if Okiya is Akai, his reasons for going to that department store in the first place don't exactly match up. He went to the vendor of that hat with the specific symbol to, presumably, ask about the man who bought it. He had no idea he would run into Scar Akai, let alone be trapped on the floor with him. So its safe to assume that he went their to ask about the buyer of the hat. You could also assume that he knew about Scar Akai's existence before even seeing him or else he would have no reason to really ask about the buyer of the hat. So would he really go to the place selling that hat to ask if the person looked like Scar Akai when it seems likely he already knew that?

Just a side note before I forget: Isn't it  possible (this is all assuming that Okiya is Akai) that Okiya wrote that message on Jodie's coaster? She would assume it was Akai since..well thats what she wants to believe