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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Kleene Onigiri » December 18th, 2011, 1:29 am

They are like "wolves" means that they are hunting for their prey, the alpha-wolf, aka Conan :x To create the Alpha-wolf-pairing XD
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby S.Vineyard » December 19th, 2011, 7:07 pm

File 801 put in my opinion some oil again in Chek's theory that Sera might drive Ran's suspicion about Conan again and maybe finally reveal his secret to her.

The resolution of the Shinichi/Ran was already pushed a bit by Gosho during the Shirigami/Fake Shinichi Story (File 646-File 654) and the London arc (File 743-File 751).

Both are cases released in the X40+ File segement, so if Gosho holds this pattern 2012 might not only bring a conclusion to the Bourbon arc....
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby unclesporkums » December 19th, 2011, 7:33 pm

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I hope so. But I believe her theory stated that the other sets of prints on the phone could be used as a way for Conan to relieve Ran of her suspicions again. I pray that I'm wrong.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » December 19th, 2011, 7:46 pm

unclesporkums wrote:I hope so. But I believe her theory stated that the other sets of prints on the phone could be used as a way for Conan to relieve Ran of her suspicions again. I pray that I'm wrong.
I am pretty sure S. Vineyard had it right. It is Heiji's omamori, not Conan's phones, that I am worried about. I said that Conan could use something equivalent to the phone swap to fool Ran, calling back to the technique that he used to fool Jodie at the beginning in RvB. The biggest problem I have is that Ran doesn't exactly have a fingerprint kit and that Heiji is currently in Osaka. She'd have to trick someone else, like the police, into doing if for her. Because of these complications, the main thing I've said theorywise is that Ran will be suspicious and that Sera is the main initiating factor because Sera is looking for clues (but I think at this point it is confirmation) that Shinichi is Conan. I'm not sure how else it will play out, but Okiya or one of the other characters in the know may help Conan alleviate it. The actual omamori may only be a talking point point for Ran: "How did Shinichi's fingerprints wind up on Heiji's omamori, when he never visited according to Kazuha? Explain that to me Conan..."
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby unclesporkums » December 19th, 2011, 8:08 pm

Thanks for clearing that up, Chek.

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Ran: "How did Shinichi's fingerprints wind up on Heiji's omamori, when he never visited according to Kazuha? Explain that to me Conan..."


Conan: "Uh, magic..?"
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby S.Vineyard » December 19th, 2011, 8:17 pm

Well, we will see. Until this suspicion case, which will 100%ly also will feature Shinichi (see my point up, Gosho changed Conan back to Shinichi during almost the same file segment in 4 years) we will have most likely two major plot points in the manga.

- The Sera/Haibara confrontation
- The Takagi/Sato marriage.

(Both assumptions are based on the Gosho interview in the Famitsu magazine last april..)

And then, imo. the final suspicion case will accure. (Because, let's face it, relieving her suspicion AGAIN would be stupid, after all that build up + the London love "confession")

Oh, and by the way, Chek.
I found a bit strange line in the interview about Sera and Haibara. (source: http://detective-conan-news.blogspot.co ... rview.html)

Spoiler:
Famitsu: In an interview with our magazine back in 2008, you mentioned that the next climax will be the Bourbon arc.
Gosho Aoyama:The Bourbon arc will still continue. I'm planning a different climax with a showdown between Sera and Haibara. It will be really exciting, since they are both "wolves"(laughs).

I found it strange, because both Akai and Okiya used the wolf term for the MIB. (I don't know if Gosho said it on purpose..)
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Stopwatch » December 20th, 2011, 5:51 pm

Spoiler:
The 'wolf' can have many meanings, though it most commonly refers to the BO because of Akai/Okiya addressing them as such and because a 'silver bullet' is the only way to defeat a werewolf. However, it can also mean about someone being a 'loner' (as in the term, lone wolf) and loads of other things; in my opinion, it's a red herring from Aoyama to point towards Sera being Bourbon because he knows the first thing we'll connect wolves to in DC is the BO. But that's just my view on it.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Kricketier » December 20th, 2011, 8:05 pm

Wouldn't it be something, if okino youko was in BO?
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby believer08 » December 21st, 2011, 8:06 am

Stopwatch wrote:
Spoiler:
The 'wolf' can have many meanings, though it most commonly refers to the BO because of Akai/Okiya addressing them as such and because a 'silver bullet' is the only way to defeat a werewolf. However, it can also mean about someone being a 'loner' (as in the term, lone wolf) and loads of other things; in my opinion, it's a red herring from Aoyama to point towards Sera being Bourbon because he knows the first thing we'll connect wolves to in DC is the BO. But that's just my view on it.



^ Agreed.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Kleene Onigiri » December 21st, 2011, 8:24 am

believer08 wrote:
Stopwatch wrote:
Spoiler:
The 'wolf' can have many meanings, though it most commonly refers to the BO because of Akai/Okiya addressing them as such and because a 'silver bullet' is the only way to defeat a werewolf. However, it can also mean about someone being a 'loner' (as in the term, lone wolf) and loads of other things; in my opinion, it's a red herring from Aoyama to point towards Sera being Bourbon because he knows the first thing we'll connect wolves to in DC is the BO. But that's just my view on it.



^ Agreed.
Gosho'd never do the things so simple...


But aren't the gundam names quite simple too then? :P
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Stopwatch » December 21st, 2011, 8:53 am

With the Gundam names, they're almost evidence from 'outside' DC, they can be used to back up why someone is Bourbon, Akai ect, but you can't rely fully on them. After all, if you took them more literally Okiya and Akai would be bad, right? Once you reliably find occasions proving that the 'bad' Gundam characters are the good ones in DC, that's when you can start to work off the names better. Besides, people can see the names put in as red herrings and won't trust them...
The interview is similar, alone that interview would imply that Sera and Haibara, both BO or ex-BO members ('wolves') would confront each other. But, adding in things that point towards Sera being a good character and you can no longer take what he says at face value...
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » December 21st, 2011, 4:16 pm

Kleene Onigiri wrote:But aren't the gundam names quite simple too then? :P

Major spoilers by Gosho about Bourbon. Read at your own peril: http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/foru ... _p__235287
I'm glad I made my theories before I saw that, or else I would have been... sad. :P
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Kleene Onigiri » December 21st, 2011, 4:38 pm

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote:But aren't the gundam names quite simple too then? :P

Major spoilers by Gosho about Bourbon. Read at your own peril: http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/foru ... _p__235287
I'm glad I made my theories before I saw that, or else I would have been... sad. :P


Yeah, saw that some time ago XD
Personally, I don't like that Gosho talks about clues and kinda seems to reveal stuff in interviews :V

And yeah, don't worry Chek, you're awesome <3 XD
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby S.Vineyard » December 21st, 2011, 5:17 pm

Oh, so he already spoiled that name one year ago. Somehow, I want to Bright-slap him.^^
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » December 21st, 2011, 5:27 pm

S.Vineyard wrote:Oh, so he already spoiled that name one year ago. Somehow, I want to Bright-slap him.^^
I'm a bit disappointed too, but maybe not enough for a Bright slap...

If you are wondering what a "Bright slap" is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtfon4QtA9U
It seems though like the one who brought Amuro around was Char.... Amuro gets really enthusiastic when that red guy is around. ^_^;
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