Chekhov's theories about the plot

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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » November 4th, 2011, 8:07 am

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DeathKira wrote:Pretty good theories, been here for a while seems you are right about most things that end up do happening lol. Just though, why does everyone seem to think 800 will start something?


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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby sonoci » November 4th, 2011, 10:19 am

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DeathKira wrote:Pretty good theories, been here for a while seems you are right about most things that end up do happening lol. Just though, why does everyone seem to think 800 will start something?


If 800 isn't the beginning of or in the midst of a big case, I will eat my shoes, my good sir.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby sstimson » November 18th, 2011, 12:03 am

I am back to refute one point of why Akai can not be Scar (as I believe he is for several reasons). You claimed that there is no medical evidence of brain injury causing a change in handiness and that is exactly what I found.

Pathological left-handedness: An explanatory model.

Left-handedness (Under the part - Does being left-handed cause problems?)
Granted most of this part is theory and about events before birth.

Probing Question: Can you change the handedness you were born with?
(The answer by the way is YES

But in left-handers the right half of the brain is dominant
Why important. If Right(about how scar got his scar[Kir shot him grazing his right check]0, then Akai was shot so the right side would scar, and as the above shows that would effect his left side.

Right Hemisphere Brain Damage
Note the following:
Memory: problems remembering information, such as street names or important dates, and learning new information easily.

Orientation: difficulty recalling the date, time, or place. The individual may also be disoriented to self, meaning that he/she cannot correctly recall personal information, such as birth date, age, or family names.

Attention: difficulty concentrating on a task and paying attention for more than a few minutes at a time. Doing more than one thing at a time may be difficult or impossible.

All these are thing that are associated with:  Right Brain injury. See any of these in Scar?

Meaning such an injury could cause a switch in which hand one uses.

Completely spelled out - this passage
TWO BRAINS--LEFT AND RIGHT HEMISPHERE

We have two eyes, two hands, and two legs, so why not two brains? The brain is divided in half, a right and left hemisphere. The right hemisphere does a different job than the left. The right hemisphere deals more with visual activities and plays a role in putting things together. For example, it takes visual information, puts it together, and says "I recognize that--that's a chair," or "that's a car" or "that's a house." It organizes or groups information together. The left hemisphere tends to be the more analytical part; it analyzes information collected by the right. It takes information from the right hemisphere and applies language to it. The right hemisphere "sees" a house, but the left hemisphere says, "Oh yeah, I know whose house that is--it's Uncle Bob's house."

So what happens if one side of the brain is injured? People who have an injury to the right side of the brain "don't put things together" and fail to process important information. As a result, they often develop a "denial syndrome" and say "there's nothing wrong with me." For example, I treated a person with an injury to the right side of the brain--specifically, the back part of the right brain that deals with visual information--and he lost half of his vision. Because the right side of the brain was injured, it failed to "collect" information, so the brain did not realize that something was missing. Essentially, this person was blind on one side but did not know it. What was scary was that this person had driven his car to my office. After seeing the results of the tests that I gave him, I asked, "Do you have a lot of dents on the left side of your car?" He was amazed that I magically knew this without seeing his car. Unfortunately, I had to ask him not to drive until his problems got better. But you can see how the right side puts things together.

The left side of the brain deals more with language and helps to analyze information given to the brain. If you injure the left side of the brain, you're aware that things aren't working (the right hemisphere is doing its job) but are unable to solve complex problems or do a complex activity. People with left hemisphere injuries tend to be more depressed, have more organizational problems, and have problems using language.

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SKIN SENSATION

If something lands on my left hand, this information will be transmitted to the right side of my brain. It goes to the area of the brain next to the area that deals with movement. The tactile area of the brain deals with physical sensation. Movement and feeling are closely related, so it makes sense that they are next to each other in the brain. Because movement and tactile areas are located close to each other, it is not uncommon for people with a brain injuries to lose both movement and feeling in parts of their body. Remember--tactile information from the left side of the body goes to the right brain, just like movement and vision.


Note the highlighted words: Injury to one side effects the other side. While Akai might not seem to be hurt on his left side, his right brain getting injured may force him to use his right hand as Left hand is now the weaker because of brain injury. 

Also A reminder that FBI agents are trained to use either hand when firing.

FBI Pistol Qualification Course and
The FBI: a comprehensive reference guide and
Pistol Qualification Course, 2009

So Akai was trained to use either hand to fire.

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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby D. » November 18th, 2011, 12:16 am

But Scar Akai did recognize Chianti(spelling maybe wrong). Why should he recognize her and not Jodie or Camel or Kogoro or Ran or Conan?
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby sstimson » November 18th, 2011, 12:27 am

Question: Did he recognize her or the fact that a Gun was pointed at him? I think the later.

But also restating my point above:


Memory: problems remembering information, such as street names or important dates, and learning new information easily.

Orientation: difficulty recalling the date, time, or place. The individual may also be disoriented to self, meaning that he/she cannot correctly recall personal information, such as birth date, age, or family names.

Attention: difficulty concentrating on a task and paying attention for more than a few minutes at a time. Doing more than one thing at a time may be difficult or impossible.



That might make it hard to do that. Hard to say exactly, what he was think there.

Three possibilties
1) you are right. He did recognize her.
2) He though the events happening funny
3) He was thinking of something funny.

Note he did not move his head, just his eyes and mouth. If he did recognize her, would there not have been head movement to confirm it?
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby D. » November 18th, 2011, 1:11 am

I like the fact that you are referring to solid facts and researches. :)
But regarding...
sstimson wrote:Question: Did he recognize her or the fact that a Gun was pointed at him? I think the later


It would be quite ackward and stupid for a person to smile and have a direct eye contact to someone they cant recognize and is pointing a gun aright at him.
Do you get what I mean?

sstimson wrote:Note he did not move his head, just his eyes and mouth. If he did recognize her, would there not have been head movement to confirm it?


I dont quite understand what do you mean by the head movement. ???
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby leokiko » November 18th, 2011, 1:24 am

sonoci wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Jd- wrote:
DeathKira wrote:Pretty good theories, been here for a while seems you are right about most things that end up do happening lol. Just though, why does everyone seem to think 800 will start something?




If 800 isn't the beginning of or in the midst of a big case, I will eat my shoes, my good sir.
*Hopes Gosho delays until 802*


+5

Also, we need a video if this happens :V

Let the shitstorm begin. That will be the first thing I will say in case that happens.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby sstimson » November 18th, 2011, 1:27 am

Normally if you see someone you think you recognize, you then move your head to confirm it.

And after I made my three possibilities I though #3 He was thinking of something funny.

Gosho might be trying a Psychological Trick on us. It looks like he is looking at her, but is he really or are we falling in to a illusion of seeing what we think we see, but that is not really it. I would like to think we got fooled and, indeed the writer fooled us in to seeing what is not there, and the Bo too. That would mean there are still some tricks and twist up Gosho sleeve  
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Stopwatch » November 18th, 2011, 2:17 am

Presuming that he has a brain injury because of a burn on his cheek is not something Aoyama would do, not only is it impossible that that could somehow affect his brain (cheek = brain? ???), but also Aoyama wouldn't put in something where there is such a leap in logic in order to get the solution. There would have been more hints for one, maybe a case with a doctor who specialises in looking into the brain or something...
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby sstimson » November 18th, 2011, 2:41 am

Stopwatch wrote:Presuming that he has a brain injury because of a burn on his cheek is not something Aoyama would do, not only is it impossible that that could somehow affect his brain (cheek = brain? ???), but also Aoyama wouldn't put in something where there is such a leap in logic in order to get the solution. There would have been more hints for one, maybe a case with a doctor who specialises in looking into the brain or something...


We have had two cases with the Guy. Idea for a future case. He come out of hiding again, this time the FBI catches him and takes him to Brain Specialises.

As for the cheek, yes, but if you keep running it up you will hit the right side of the brain right?
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby nse » November 18th, 2011, 3:10 am

I know that the anime isn't always reflective of what is true in the manga, but in the opening sequence, there's a part where Akai and Scar Akai are pointing a gun at each other with their left and right hand respectively. Just noticed that today because I actually didn't skip through the sequence for once.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » November 18th, 2011, 3:47 am

nse wrote:I know that the anime isn't always reflective of what is true in the manga, but in the opening sequence, there's a part where Akai and Scar Akai are pointing a gun at each other with their left and right hand respectively. Just noticed that today because I actually didn't skip through the sequence for once.
Scar Akai and Akai do have opposite handedness.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby ten » December 11th, 2011, 11:19 pm

Just more (largely baseless) speculation about Sera ...

Given she's likely Akai's sister, what do you think about her possibly being a lot older than she appears, and that she's not actually with the FBI but actually NYPD -- she's good on a motorcycle (how many high school kids drive motorcycles?), is very knowledgeable about police procedures, and has sharp detective skills.

This way she has obtained her detective skills from police work and not from being a detective otaku or obsessed with her brothers work.
It might also explain her statement about having seen 'innumerable jumper suicides' to Conan (if she was a NYPD homicide detective that would make more sense).
And, maybe when Jodie and the other FBI agents were tracking down Vermouth in NYC (during the Rotten Apple case) they had to coordinate with local police (and briefly met with Sera).
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Abeizzle » December 17th, 2011, 6:32 am

Sometimes i feel that Shiho wasnt only a scientist ..... More like a murder ???
because shes a badass when it comes for shooting though she had a small body and she didnt move backward(Due of the guns force) so she is well trained that means she was part time scientist and then turns to a murder at night. I had this idea bec. of Goshos interview when he said "Both of them are wolves after all."
What do you think!
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby AICHAN » December 17th, 2011, 2:39 pm

Abeizzle wrote:Sometimes i feel that Shiho wasnt only a scientist ..... More like a murder ???
because shes a badass when it comes for shooting though she had a small body and she didnt move backward(Due of the guns force) so she is well trained that means she was part time scientist and then turns to a murder at night. I had this idea bec. of Goshos interview when he said "Both of them are wolves after all."
What do you think!

I guess high members in the BO has to know how to use a gun...including the scientists XDDD
Anyway,for me "wolves" mean that both Ai and Sera can be dangerous like wolves...I'm waiting for their confrontation to know what Gosho mean...
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