Chekhov's theories about the plot

[Stopwatch]

The Idea for other Hospitals by being like a visiting doctor and a new patient. I did not mean direct contact, but going after BO agents undercover. The FBI knows the BO is looking for Kir, and will look in hospitals, so why not stake then out to try and catch other agents?

Again, they wouldn't have enough time, Gin would pull all agents out of the other hospitals as soon as he knew where Kir was. And without the amount of information available that they had at the first hospital they'd be going in blind and couldn't narrow down who was suspicious easily

[sstimson]

I need to explain my self better. Lets try this Within a day or two of getting KIR, the FBI sets in place Agents to watch other hospitals to see if any other BO agents come looking. There is plenty of time to do that. By doing it the way it was done Three things happen.

1) If They(FBI) are only watching one hospital, and I have already shown, the BO knows a lot about the FBI and their habits. All the BO need to do is watch FBI members and see where they go. That could lead the BO right to Kir.

2) By other removing a BO agent from only one hospital (as was shown) is like drawing a huge arrow to point where Kir is.

3) By not going and looking for other agents where they are going to be sooner or later, unless my theory is right and the BO has ways of getting intel from FBI, they removed the possibility of getting as Akai put it "other strings" and at max only get two. The other way could have netted several BO agents and a whole lot more Intel about the BO.

One last thing, in Chapter 598 Page 11 the BO agent  say the BO reasoning was on the mark, a hint to maybe getting intel from the FBI.

[D.]

At last I finished reading this discussion. It took me about two weeks, and it was worth it.
Is there a possibility that Scar Akai was Sera? ( I read it in some other post elsewhere ).

As others may have said before me, this thread is just WOW. I really appreciate Chekhov's theories and think that they are gr8. 

[MaitreDétective]

Dunno. But I think It's possible Sera being both Bourbon and Akai's sister

[sstimson]

Chekhov, I do not know if you are interested but reviewing my post about what the Real Liquors / Wine of  the member name brought some interesting things out in to the open, also the words is describing then makes it even more interesting

first my research
form Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!? - « Reply #571 on: June 28, 2011, 02:51:07 AM »

Also interesting that Bourbon is not a straight Liquor like Gin, Vodka, or Vermouth.

Males (Word of end of same means National Drink of that country  See here )

Gin - Gin is a spirit whose predominant flavor is derived from juniper berries - England
Vodka - Vodka is made by distillation of fermented substances such as grains, potatoes, or molasses - Russia
Korn - Korn is a German colorless spirit that is usually made from fermented rye but may also be made from corn, barley, or wheat
Tequila - Tequila is a spirit made from the blue agave plant, primarily in the area surrounding the city of Tequila, 65 kilometres (40 mi) northwest of Guadalajara, and in the highlands (Los Altos) of the western Mexican state of Jalisco. = Mexico
Pisco - Pisco is a strong, colorless grape brandy produced in Peru and Chile. (Note the word Brandy. More on this later) = Chile
Calvados - Calvados is an apple brandy from the French région of Basse-Normandie or Lower Normandy.(again note Brandy)

Note all are either a spirit or a distilled liquors.

Now for the ladies

Vermouth - Vermouth is a fortified wine flavored with various dry ingredients.
Chianti - Chianti is a red Italian wine produced in Tuscany.
Kir - Kir is a popular French cocktail made with a measure of crème de cassis (blackcurrant liqueur) topped up with white wine  (Note not straight wine)
Sherry - Sherry is a fortified wine made from white grapes that are grown near the town of Jerez, Spain. - Spain

Note all ladies have wine related names.

Now for the last two

Rye - Rye whiskey can refer to either of two types of whiskey: 1) American rye whiskey, which must be distilled from at least 51 percent rye; 2) Canadian whisky, which is often referred to (and labelled as) rye whisky for historical reasons, although it may or may not actually include any rye in its production process. - Canada (if #2)
Bourbon - Bourbon is a type of American whiskey – a barrel-aged distilled spirit made primarily from corn. - America

Possible Interesting discoveries

Note both Bourbon and Rye are kinds of whiskey and from North America

Note both Sherry and Pisco involve Grapes

Note Calvados involves Apples, and Vermouth nickname was Rotten Apple, and the Manga Chapter was Golden Apple where her history is talked about

Also the two brandy typed are dead.

Next note colors of the LIquor / Wine or Color in the describing the Liquor / Wine

Gin, Korn, and Pisco are colorless

Tequila has the word Blue, Though it's color is the same as the above cololess

Vodka, Calvados, Rye and Bourbon are yellow-amber in color

Vermouth is various colors, but primarily pale or red

Chianti - Red ( like in maybe blood thirsty )

Kir - Black top with white wine (white as good?)

Sherry - White ( White as Good?)

Could it be Gosho in using certain Wines and Liquors is giving hints to their character?

[Stopwatch]

I have no idea, but if that is the case and you take Rye and Bourbon's to mean the characters are from N. America, looks like a possible argument for Sera = Bourbon...  :-/

[believer08]

Chekhov, I do not know if you are interested but reviewing my post about what the Real Liquors / Wine of  the member name brought some interesting things out in to the open, also the words is describing then makes it even more interesting

first my research
form Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!? - « Reply #571 on: June 28, 2011, 02:51:07 AM »

Also interesting that Bourbon is not a straight Liquor like Gin, Vodka, or Vermouth.

Males (Word of end of same means National Drink of that country  See here )

Gin - Gin is a spirit whose predominant flavor is derived from juniper berries - England
Vodka - Vodka is made by distillation of fermented substances such as grains, potatoes, or molasses - Russia
Korn - Korn is a German colorless spirit that is usually made from fermented rye but may also be made from corn, barley, or wheat
Tequila - Tequila is a spirit made from the blue agave plant, primarily in the area surrounding the city of Tequila, 65 kilometres (40 mi) northwest of Guadalajara, and in the highlands (Los Altos) of the western Mexican state of Jalisco. = Mexico
Pisco - Pisco is a strong, colorless grape brandy produced in Peru and Chile. (Note the word Brandy. More on this later) = Chile
Calvados - Calvados is an apple brandy from the French région of Basse-Normandie or Lower Normandy.(again note Brandy)

Note all are either a spirit or a distilled liquors.

Now for the ladies

Vermouth - Vermouth is a fortified wine flavored with various dry ingredients.
Chianti - Chianti is a red Italian wine produced in Tuscany.
Kir - Kir is a popular French cocktail made with a measure of crème de cassis (blackcurrant liqueur) topped up with white wine  (Note not straight wine)
Sherry - Sherry is a fortified wine made from white grapes that are grown near the town of Jerez, Spain. - Spain

Note all ladies have wine related names.

Now for the last two

Rye - Rye whiskey can refer to either of two types of whiskey: 1) American rye whiskey, which must be distilled from at least 51 percent rye; 2) Canadian whisky, which is often referred to (and labelled as) rye whisky for historical reasons, although it may or may not actually include any rye in its production process. - Canada (if #2)
Bourbon - Bourbon is a type of American whiskey – a barrel-aged distilled spirit made primarily from corn. - America

Possible Interesting discoveries

Note both Bourbon and Rye are kinds of whiskey and from North America

Note both Sherry and Pisco involve Grapes

Note Calvados involves Apples, and Vermouth nickname was Rotten Apple, and the Manga Chapter was Golden Apple where her history is talked about

Also the two brandy typed are dead.

Next note colors of the LIquor / Wine or Color in the describing the Liquor / Wine

Gin, Korn, and Pisco are colorless

Tequila has the word Blue, Though it's color is the same as the above cololess

Vodka, Calvados, Rye and Bourbon are yellow-amber in color

Vermouth is various colors, but primarily pale or red

Chianti - Red ( like in maybe blood thirsty )

Kir - Black top with white wine (white as good?)

Sherry - White ( White as Good?)

Could it be Gosho in using certain Wines and Liquors is giving hints to their character?

Could it be? This is Awesome!

[Suutashi]

Sstimson you need to look up straight liquor before continuing this. Straight liquor means to serve a liquor straight. Straight or straight up is a bar tending term meaning to serve alcohol chilled without ice.

Also the two brandy typed are dead.

1. Sherry is fortified with brandy after it has finished fermentation.

Kir - Black top with white wine (white as good?)

2. Kir has a reddish color that can vary with the amount of creme de cassis used and the size of the glass containing the cocktail.

Sherry - White ( White as Good?)

3. Fino or dry sherry is a very light yellow color while Oloroso sherry is a very dark reddish color.

Note both Sherry and Pisco involve Grapes

4. All of the wine derived Code names are wines that are made from grapes.

Note Calvados involves Apples, and Vermouth nickname was Rotten Apple, and the Manga Chapter was Golden Apple where her history is talked about

5. The nickname Rotten Apple was the one used by Jodie because of Sharon Vineyard's work in the Broadway play: The Golden Apple. The fact that she was working with Calvados was a coincidence and is not the reason she was given the nickname Rotten Apple.

[mangaluva]

*Is impressed by Suutashi's knowledge of alcohol*

[Suutashi]

*Is impressed by Suutashi's knowledge of alcohol*

[me=Suutashi]has a bartender's hand book that she got years ago as a way to help her get over her dipsophobia/methyphobia.[/me]

[Partsu]

I have been thinking...is anyone up to the job of finding out the identity of the boss?
If what Gosho said in interview it can't be that hard...just someone Haibara has not met and has only been MENTIONED but has not shown...like Agasa's "dead" uncle that was rich accountant and "surprise surprise" died around same time the BO's main project started...

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I have been thinking...is anyone up to the job of finding out the identity of the boss?
If what Gosho said in interview it can't be that hard...just someone Haibara has not met and has only been MENTIONED but has not shown...like Agasa's "dead" uncle that was rich accountant and "surprise surprise" died around same time the BO's main project started...

There isn't enough info available (even using Gosho's interviews) to determine the identity of the boss even after going through the manga looking for repeat names and such.

[sonoci]

I personally "think" (as in it's just a guess) that the boss is that one guy mentioned in the Sunset Manor case. His family emblem was a crow.

[Partsu]

I personally "think" (as in it's just a guess) that the boss is that one guy mentioned in the Sunset Manor case. His family emblem was a crow.

hmmm...it could be possible...but that would mean he suddenly decided to go from very open and well-known to unknown head of baddie group?

@checkhov : yeah you're right...but do we have any better? I think we can trust what he said in some interview tat might have happened

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I personally "think" (as in it's just a guess) that the boss is that one guy mentioned in the Sunset Manor case. His family emblem was a crow.

Why would the boss build a gold mansion? The boss is supposed to be cautious after all. Gold mansions are a bit... gaudy, not to mention noticeable. Wouldn't the boss rather use that gold as money for research instead of having to get a together team of assassins, blackmailers, and criminals to earn money? Also that guy is supposed to be dead.

@chekhov : yeah you're right...but do we have any better? I think we can trust what he said in some interview tat might have happened

Even using the interviews that are confirmed to be Gosho's, there isn't enough information.