Chekhov's theories about the plot

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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Suutashi » March 21st, 2011, 10:43 am

kriegpaolo_23 wrote:I still think that the manga has stretched so far that its beyond ridiculous to me. How Ran and Kogoro can let Conan live at their house for so long without suspicion is ridiculous, and we can go on and on about the other loopholes in the whole series. But nonetheless I have to admit that the cases can be entertaining and the plot is still exciting to follow (even though Gosho really seems to hate his fans). I cant quit tuning in for new Conan chapters because of this. Especially since no one scans Kindaichi :(

And I dont think Ai is joking when she said that Conan's body can develop anti-bodies to the antidotes and therefore the antidote would not last as long as the previous one. (Ai didnt really give Conan 100 antidotes right? Lol just making sure here)

It is indeed odd though, sometimes the effects seem to last for soo long and other times not so much.
I didn't mean she was joking about Conan's body creating antibodies to the antidote, I meant she was joking about giving Conan 100 doses of the antidote.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby kriegpaolo_23 » March 21st, 2011, 9:36 pm

suutashi wrote:
kriegpaolo_23 wrote:I still think that the manga has stretched so far that its beyond ridiculous to me. How Ran and Kogoro can let Conan live at their house for so long without suspicion is ridiculous, and we can go on and on about the other loopholes in the whole series. But nonetheless I have to admit that the cases can be entertaining and the plot is still exciting to follow (even though Gosho really seems to hate his fans). I cant quit tuning in for new Conan chapters because of this. Especially since no one scans Kindaichi :(

And I dont think Ai is joking when she said that Conan's body can develop anti-bodies to the antidotes and therefore the antidote would not last as long as the previous one. (Ai didnt really give Conan 100 antidotes right? Lol just making sure here)

It is indeed odd though, sometimes the effects seem to last for soo long and other times not so much.
I didn't mean she was joking about Conan's body creating antibodies to the antidote, I meant she was joking about giving Conan 100 doses of the antidote.


When did Ai mentioned she gave 100 doses ofantidote?
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Wakarimashita » March 21st, 2011, 9:42 pm

kriegpaolo_23 wrote:I still think that the manga has stretched so far that its beyond ridiculous to me. How Ran and Kogoro can let Conan live at their house for so long without suspicion is ridiculous, and we can go on and on about the other loopholes in the whole series.


Time makes no sense in the manga (for example episodes 266-268 and 530-531 both took place one month before episodes 608-609, yet there's almost 300 epiodes between them), like in lots of other comics and tv shows. You just have to accept that idea (it's not that hard) and get over it.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby kriegpaolo_23 » March 21st, 2011, 11:30 pm

Wakarimashita wrote:
kriegpaolo_23 wrote:I still think that the manga has stretched so far that its beyond ridiculous to me. How Ran and Kogoro can let Conan live at their house for so long without suspicion is ridiculous, and we can go on and on about the other loopholes in the whole series.


Time makes no sense in the manga (for example episodes 266-268 and 530-531 both took place one month before episodes 608-609, yet there's almost 300 epiodes between them), like in lots of other comics and tv shows. You just have to accept that idea (it's not that hard) and get over it.


Its the Valentine and White Day cases right? I noticed that too, but at least they could've mentioned again about Conan's parents...likewise, it was the same with vol 42 when they mentioned "Akemi recently came over" even though "recent" must have meant over 40 volumes ago. I've accepted the idea, but looking back at it again the more I realize that Gosho put so many unnecessary cases within the manga.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby HADAA » March 21st, 2011, 11:41 pm

kriegpaolo_23 wrote:I've accepted the idea, but looking back at it again the more I realize that Gosho put so many unnecessary cases within the manga.

That's because Conan has become so popular, people are shouting "we want moar cases rite naw". If it weren't for the popularity, Gosho would've concluded Conan in a much shorter time span and moved on to a series regarding Songoku (according to one interview). Sure, many of the cases are unnecessary, but they keep people like you reading and buying.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Abs. » March 22nd, 2011, 12:14 am

Notice that he asked, but she didn't give :)
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Wakarimashita » March 22nd, 2011, 7:38 am

It doesn't have to make sense because Gosho never pretended it would, therefore when you start reading the story (and you know there's 700+ chapters), you already know what to expect.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Pnaq » March 23rd, 2011, 1:55 pm

Wakarimashita wrote:It doesn't have to make sense because Gosho never pretended it would, therefore when you start reading the story (and you know there's 700+ chapters), you already know what to expect.


True. After you've read all the cases so far, there shouldn't be anythingto wonder about ^^
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Tanaka Taro » March 25th, 2011, 7:08 pm

Speaking of Time, back in episode 371&372 ( Volume 45-7 page 11-12), why was Conan able to sense an aura similar to Vermouth from Motoyama Masaharu.  Was it the buttons he pressed on the phone? 
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby User 4869 » March 26th, 2011, 4:48 am

Tanaka Taro wrote:Speaking of Time, back in episode 371&372 ( Volume 45-7 page 11-12), why was Conan able to sense an aura similar to Vermouth from Motoyama Masaharu.  Was it the buttons he pressed on the phone? 


Yes, IIRC there're never reveal where he dialed to, so presumably it's Tottori.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby harrieth.dc » May 24th, 2011, 10:35 am

User 4869 wrote:
Tanaka Taro wrote:Speaking of Time, back in episode 371&372 ( Volume 45-7 page 11-12), why was Conan able to sense an aura similar to Vermouth from Motoyama Masaharu.  Was it the buttons he pressed on the phone?  


Yes, IIRC there're never reveal where he dialed to, so presumably it's Tottori.


I'd just read this file..and yes..Conan guessed Vermouth is that guy..


and maybe you're right about it..
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Sato » June 19th, 2011, 10:21 am

That's a good documentary. I incline to think Kogoro is connected to B.O. If the person is the boss, the boss will have second alias in outside world with a wealthy status of director or boss of big company. The research and lab need a huge investment and experiment has last long, he must be rich enough as he haven't encounter finance strap. How many wealthy people has introduce in the manga?
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Dus » June 19th, 2011, 10:24 am

Agasa lives in a huge house and his perceived wealth prompted people to abduct him once.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Sato » June 19th, 2011, 10:41 am

Agasa isn't only one. Probably it's one of the innocent bystanders or suspects.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby mangaluva » June 19th, 2011, 2:18 pm

Sato wrote:Agasa isn't only one. Probably it's one of the innocent bystanders or suspects.


Could be the mad cat lady. She was certainly a bolt from the blue, and definitely minted.

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