Chekhov's theories about the plot

[Dus]

ATTENTION PLEASE!
According to Chekhov's deduction about the boss location in "Kurayoshi"...dont forget that APTX 4869 is also can be read as "Shirayoku", Japanese's way to read "Sherlock" (if I'm not mistaken. Go check Wikipedia for certain info). Is this just a coincidence? Or is this some clue?

How are the two connected? And the reference to Sherlock was already made in the manga.

[Suutashi]

A) If his parents gave him fake documents why was it never mentioned? And why didn't he have a fake passport when he wanted to go to London? That can't be it.


B) Assuming they have Shinichi's finger prints registered, yes.

Both of these are plots holes that are going to lead to other plot holes. A) Agasa's reason for not making a fake passport for Shinichi/Conan was that it was illegal yet there would had have to have been some amount of fake documents made for Conan and Ai because of their enrollment at Teitan Elementary School. That's just one example where fake documents would have needed so there is no telling how many other situations where it would be necessary so this begs the question as to why Agasa would be so against fake documentations. That is unless he was never the one who made any of them in the first place.

B) Shininchi's finger prints would have to be registered because of him owning a passport.

[Abs.]

ATTENTION PLEASE!
According to Chekhov's deduction about the boss location in "Kurayoshi"...dont forget that APTX 4869 is also can be read as "Shirayoku", Japanese's way to read "Sherlock" (if I'm not mistaken. Go check Wikipedia for certain info). Is this just a coincidence? Or is this some clue?

Even if Kurayoshi were the actual location of the boss (remember this was given, then taken back "no that's not actually the number, the number is this other thing - it just sounded like the first thing I said") there is no connection between Kurayoshi and "Shiyaroku" (not "Shirayoku" as you said above) unless you're trying to say Ku ra yo shi is Shi yo ra ku re-arranged (again, this does not fit because it's not "Shiyoraku," it's Shiyaroku)

[Dus]

B) Shininchi's finger prints would have to be registered because of him owning a passport.

Japan started issuing biometric passports in 2006. I don't think Shinichi would have one.

[sstimson]

A) If his parents gave him fake documents why was it never mentioned? And why didn't he have a fake passport when he wanted to go to London? That can't be it.


B) Assuming they have Shinichi's finger prints registered, yes.

Both of these are plots holes that are going to lead to other plot holes. A) Agasa's reason for not making a fake passport for Shinichi/Conan was that it was illegal yet there would had have to have been some amount of fake documents made for Conan and Ai because of their enrollment at Teitan Elementary School. That's just one example where fake documents would have needed so there is no telling how many other situations where it would be necessary so this begs the question as to why Agasa would be so against fake documentations. That is unless he was never the one who made any of them in the first place.

B) Shininchi's finger prints would have to be registered because of him owning a passport.

Not necessary. Shinichi's Dad has connections. He might have made a few phone calls. Agasa kind of adopted Hairaba off the street. He could go to the school, tell them that kind of story, and likely get Hairaba in school. After all if a kids lost their parents while outside , their papers would not be on them. If you add lost of memory to that, then they would not even know who they are. Those kind of events would likely allow the school to admit a new student without papers about them, and might even help Agasa to get the necessary papers for other things

[nomemory]

I think that if Agasa told that kind of story it would bring way to much attention to Haibara. It really doesn't sound likely and not to mention if that was the case I doubt they would let him take care of her, they would find a more "suitable" family until they have found her real one. A lot of people would get involved, all from police to the social welfare(?). Newspapers and TV might also get involved whether they want it or not.

[Suutashi]

B) Shininchi's finger prints would have to be registered because of him owning a passport.

Japan started issuing biometric passports in 2006. I don't think Shinichi would have one.

Quote from Wikipdia about Biometric Passports. "The currently standardized biometrics used for this type of identification system are facial recognition, fingerprint recognition, and iris recognition." This means that even though biometric passports are used in Japan now they still require a person's finger prints as well as other biometric data. This likely makes this kind of passport even more specific with the details of a passport holder's identity and this would make it more difficult to create a usable forgery.

[sstimson]

I think that if Agasa told that kind of story it would bring way to much attention to Haibara. It really doesn't sound likely and not to mention if that was the case I doubt they would let him take care of her, they would find a more "suitable" family until they have found her real one. A lot of people would get involved, all from police to the social welfare(?). Newspapers and TV might also get involved whether they want it or not.

If they were to "find a more "suitable" family", where would they place her while they looked? Here they have a willing foster parent, and Korogo can give Asaga a good reference. This way they save money, and they do not add to the high likely over crowded places where Kids with out parents are keep. They are called orphanages.

[nomemory]

If they were to "find a more "suitable" family", where would they place her while they looked? Here they have a willing foster parent, and Korogo can give Asaga a good reference. This way they save money, and they do not add to the high likely over crowded places where Kids with out parents are keep. They are called orphanages.

It is still to much attention. And they have foster families for situations like this as well. But even if they think that Agasas place will be great for her the other issues still stands. And I know what a orphanage is. And if she claimed amnesia she would have to visit doctors and psychologists a lot. Investigations would be made, they might even try DNA searches.

[gealatief]

ATTENTION PLEASE!
According to Chekhov's deduction about the boss location in "Kurayoshi"...dont forget that APTX 4869 is also can be read as "Shirayoku", Japanese's way to read "Sherlock" (if I'm not mistaken. Go check Wikipedia for certain info). Is this just a coincidence? Or is this some clue?

Even if Kurayoshi were the actual location of the boss (remember this was given, then taken back "no that's not actually the number, the number is this other thing - it just sounded like the first thing I said") there is no connection between Kurayoshi and "Shiyaroku" (not "Shirayoku" as you said above) unless you're trying to say Ku ra yo shi is Shi yo ra ku re-arranged (again, this does not fit because it's not "Shiyoraku," it's Shiyaroku)

can you find this via Google:
anagram
the theory is alike with TOM MARVOLO RIDDLE = I AM LORD VOLDEMORT
KURAYOSHI = SHIRAYOKU

:3

[Mr_Useless]

ATTENTION PLEASE!
According to Chekhov's deduction about the boss location in "Kurayoshi"...dont forget that APTX 4869 is also can be read as "Shirayoku", Japanese's way to read "Sherlock" (if I'm not mistaken. Go check Wikipedia for certain info). Is this just a coincidence? Or is this some clue?

Even if Kurayoshi were the actual location of the boss (remember this was given, then taken back "no that's not actually the number, the number is this other thing - it just sounded like the first thing I said") there is no connection between Kurayoshi and "Shiyaroku" (not "Shirayoku" as you said above) unless you're trying to say Ku ra yo shi is Shi yo ra ku re-arranged (again, this does not fit because it's not "Shiyoraku," it's Shiyaroku)

can you find this via Google:
anagram
the theory is alike with TOM MARVOLO RIDDLE = I AM LORD VOLDEMORT
KURAYOSHI = SHIRAYOKU

:3

Anagrams in japanese don't really work like in the west.

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[Kanelle]

Has anyone seriously looked at the files with Sonoko's uncle to see if he has any clues pointing him out to be the BO boss??  I know he's only seen during Kaito kid heists and all but he showed up for the first time only a few cases after the whole BO halloween party thing.  His whole 'going threw life chasing the next trophe' screams pointless waste of time or in this case 'good cover story to travel under while overlooking the Org.'  Sort of like Bruce Wayne dating flocks of mindless bimbos.

A few things I'd like to point out:

1.  He's always wearing something dark if not outright black (jacket, shirt, vest).

2.  The heists he's involved in are becoming more and more frequent.  (considering more and more odd things happening during BO jobs the boss snooping about more offen could be expected)  Though this is probably only because of the popularity of Kid's character.

3.  What type of person would have a dog named lupin?  Seriously isn't the dog being named after a criminal just alittle suspicious to anyone?

4.  There are suppost to be quite a few phantom thieves in the DC universe why is he obsessed over catching this one.  I know the whole story about Kid heist knocking his accomplishments to the back pages but still... Conan has done the same thing also.  It's probably not the first time something like that has been kicked to the back pages anyways considering random accomplishments are not really serious news.  Kid just happens to operate in a area where the BO is meeting resistance.

5.  He has a distinctive vehical (Harley).  Which is a trait that alot of the BO share. (I know a few others that are not BO have distinctive vehicals like Agasa but still...)  And for some reason his bike is also supped up with some special features.  It does follow his whole adventurer mentality but it also follows the crook fleeing at a moment's notice mentality also.

6.  Every heist that features him has a refrence to the BO stated in the case directly following it.  Though I didn't check this one really hard (going case by case word for word in other words).  I should probably erase it.

7. (edit) He also stated regret that he was getting along in age.  The org is of coarse involved with some things dealing with age.

Anyways I'm probably missing something that eleminates him as a suspect anyways  (I only spent like a hour and half on the theory.)  I'd actually like to see the argument for the other side.

[casualvgm]

Info and Speculation about Individual characters
Gin and Shiho Miyano

I am new become a new member dctp.~
I cannot speak English well..

question?
Shiho was in America until recently. truth?
Shiho study abroad (America)-> recently come back Japan...?
( study with(+) Org life activity at the same time?)

[ProfParanoia]

Yes, though "recently" might be relative since it's possible she came back 1-2 years ago.

[User 4869]

@Kanelle

2. I also think it's Kid influence.
3. Most of character in DC name after detective. While Ran is from Maurice Leblanc. It not seem that Kogoro want her to be a detective. Consider how Gosho treat Kid. I don't think he see a phantom thieve that bad. So Lupin probalby not that bad (in Gosho POV).
4. While it possible that there are many. It also possible that there're only one. (I put such a lame argument here.) Just rule of Suspension of disbelief There're only one because I don't want to add another.

I think Kid's character (Sonoko's uncle, Hakuba, Kid himself for example) probably not connect to BO plot directly. But clue for BO case will be everywhere including Kid cases. (Kid refer to Conan as Koibito).