Chekhov's theories about the plot

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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Laurell » November 27th, 2010, 3:09 am

Another question:
How did the BO knew about James Black's name? I'm referring to the Clash of Red and Black Arc wherein a flower was sent to him by a deceased BO member looking for Kir. An FBI agent's name would be difficult to know and considering that James is the superior of Jodie and Akai in their plan against the Black Org.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Abs. » November 27th, 2010, 3:23 am

They know all of their names.  Akai Shuuichi, Jodie Starling, James Black.  Remember that Vermouth purposely focused the FBI's attention on the Mouris in order to better track their members and movements.  And she even disguised herself as Jodie in order to call off the backup that Jodie had instructed to be waiting at the meeting point.  I don't believe it's explicitly stated, but it's not a far stretch to assume that Vermouth disguised herself as Jodie, infiltrated the FBI who were keeping watch over the Mouris, and got the information that way if they hadn't already known it through some other means.

Or James Black is totally BO
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Laurell » November 27th, 2010, 8:40 am

Abs. wrote:Or James Black is totally BO


That's what I thought. If he's a BO, then he's just playing with the FBI.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby WolfenAmphithere » December 8th, 2010, 12:15 am

Hey, Chek, do you think Takagi might know who Conan really is? He seems to be much more willing than any of the other officers to comply with Conan's crazy requests. During the elevator bombing case, he came out and asked "Who are you, Conan?", so he obviously knows or strongly suspects he's not really a kid. Final thing: Takagi was the one to check the fingerprints on Conan's phone against "Akai's" body; but fingerprints don't change with age. The fact that Shinichi has worked so closely with the police means they must have his fingerprints on file. That phone had Conan's prints, not Shinichi's; a computer wouldn't know the difference, however. It would say that the phone had been touched by "Akai", Jodie, and Shinichi according to the prints we know were on the phone.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Dus » December 8th, 2010, 12:16 am

I doubt anyone on the force knows who Conan is, but Takagi, Satou, and even Shiratori might eventually uncover the truth.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Read and Gold Phoenix » December 8th, 2010, 11:46 am

Agreed. He may suspect, but since the elevator he hasn't brought it up. I hope he and possibly Satou uncover the truth about conan but right now it doesn't look like it.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby WolfenAmphithere » December 8th, 2010, 4:14 pm

Read and Gold Phoenix wrote:Agreed. He may suspect, but since the elevator he hasn't brought it up. I hope he and possibly Satou uncover the truth about conan but right now it doesn't look like it.


Well, Conan DID respond with "Sure I'll tell you... In the afterlife". Takagi's not stupid enough to keep asking, imo. I think he's probably keeping it a secret because he knows Conan wants it to be (if he does know, that is)
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Dus » December 16th, 2010, 12:22 pm

Why wasn't there a problem when Conan was hospitalised? There is an NHS in Japan so the doctors should have needed some sort of document to verify his identity. Another potential plot hole or is there an explanation?
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby WolfenAmphithere » December 16th, 2010, 1:05 pm

I would assume that by that point that his parents have forged documentation for him.

Also, I recently watched M13 with a friend, and based on that we know that Conan's fingerprints have not changed since he was shrunk. Therefore, Takagi should have seen the Shinichi/Conan thing based on that phone...
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Dus » December 16th, 2010, 1:12 pm

A) If his parents gave him fake documents why was it never mentioned? And why didn't he have a fake passport when he wanted to go to London? That can't be it.


B) Assuming they have Shinichi's finger prints registered, yes.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby sstimson » December 16th, 2010, 4:21 pm

They gave Korogo Power of Attorney when they asked him to watch Conan. He basiclly became a long term child care with those words, and with that all the rights and responsibilities that involves.

So as I see this, this is not a plot hole. I sure that 'Conan' parents after the first payment, as in when they sent the next payment, included all Korogo needs for the care of their son.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby Abs. » December 16th, 2010, 4:44 pm

The fingerprints issue is thus: We do not know how the fingerprint check Takagi conducted was actually carried out.

We don't know whether the fingerprints were entered into a computer database and told to search for matches, or whether the computer was merely told to confirm if X and Y prints matched, or if a computer was even involved at all.  For all we know, they just took out fingerprint identity cards for Conan, Jodie, and mystery man and visually compared them with the prints on the phone.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby KangarooGirl » December 17th, 2010, 7:53 am

I'm guessing they only compared the fingerprints, rather than searching for a match because it would probably take longer and there's no real reason why they would if it's just to prove that Akai died.
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby gealatief » December 18th, 2010, 11:57 pm

ATTENTION PLEASE!
According to Chekhov's deduction about the boss location in "Kurayoshi"...dont forget that APTX 4869 is also can be read as "Shirayoku", Japanese's way to read "Sherlock" (if I'm not mistaken. Go check Wikipedia for certain info). Is this just a coincidence? Or is this some clue?
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Re: Chekhov's theories about the plot

Postby User 4869 » December 18th, 2010, 11:59 pm

gealatief wrote:ATTENTION PLEASE!
According to Chekhov's deduction about the boss location in "Kurayoshi"...dont forget that APTX 4869 is also can be read as "Shirayoku", Japanese's way to read "Sherlock" (if I'm not mistaken. Go check Wikipedia for certain info). Is this just a coincidence? Or is this some clue?


Because Aoyama can't help refer to Sherlock Holmes.  (I'm joking)
And remember Conan use 4869 as his password also. So he's the BOSS. (I'm joking again)

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