Chekhov's theories about the plot

[Suutashi]

Actually I think Anokata being code named "Proof" would be both funny and ironic.

[WolfenAmphithere]

wait... I'm confused... and apparently forgetting something... Who is "Anokata" again? I thought it just meant "you" in Japanese...

[nomemory]

wait... I'm confused... and apparently forgetting something... Who is "Anokata" again? I thought it just meant "you" in Japanese...

I think Anokata means "that person" but I am not sure. Anokata is however referring to the BO boss.

Anata means you on the other hand, but it is seldom used. I think it is mostly used by wives to call their husband. To call someone you aren't familiar with as anata is pretty rude iirc.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

wait... I'm confused... and apparently forgetting something... Who is "Anokata" again? I thought it just meant "you" in Japanese...

It's a very respectful pronoun for someone in the third person. English lacks a good equivalent. One dictionary listed the translation as "that gentleman/lady". Going down the respect ladder from "anokata", we have "anohito" which is kind of formal. Conan uses "anohito" a lot when inner-monologuing about why a suspect did a certain suspicious action. ("Hannin wa anohito da!" (my best phonetic guess)) Down from "anohito" we have "yatsu" which is informal. After that, we get into the insult dimension with "koitsu", "soitsu", and "aitsu".
"Kare" and "kanojo" are gender specific neutral terms for males and females respectively. (Kir used "kare" to refer to Bourbon, but who knows if she actually knows his gender.) Abs. can correct me if I went wrong somewhere.

[Abs.]

"Ano kata" is a respectful way to refer to someone without specifying anything about them.  It takes the place of a pronoun.  If translated with the respectfulness and gender ambiguity intact, it would probably be more like "That Honored Person."  To contrast in terms of politeness, "ano hito" would just be "that person," straight up.

And I got RMed by Chek <3

[WolfenAmphithere]

Oh okay, thanks! And yeah, I'm sure i was thinking of "anata" when I said that.

[Suutashi]

If Anokata really gave Kir that particular name because he already knew she was a spy, it would help sstimson's "feed the mole" theory.

However, Kir gave herself the name "Mizunashi Rena" = 007 on purpose, so it seems safe to say that it's just little easter eggs for the reader's eyes only

Otherwise Kir was all, "Hey BO, check it out, I'm totally CIA and I wants to join, lemme in!" from the beginning and no one cared

I found this when looking up Kir on Wikipedia today. -Crème de cassis is a blood-red, sweet, blackcurrant flavored liqueur, and is an ingredient of kir, an apéritif. 


Several cocktails are made with crème de cassis, including Kir.

It is a favorite drink of the fictional detective Hercule Poirot by Agatha Christie." Interesting bit of information don't you think? 

Ok I think I need to specify why this is so interesting. Other female members of the Org that have alcohol based code names are named after wine. She the reason why Kir was used is: 1. Crème de cassis and white wine are mixed to make the cocktail Kir. That would still kinda keep in constant with female code names being wine based. 2. The thing about it being a favorite drink of Hercule Poirot. The Org's leader is apparently a fan of mysteries and here we have another mysteries series reference used in context in regard of the Black Org. 3. Kogoro makes several references to Hercule Poirot and has his agency above a cafe called Poirot. We've even had a case where he more or less quotes Poirot.

Spoiler:

Chapter 508 page 5 and episode 429.

This seems to make both Sherlock Holmes and Hercule Poirot two of the most often referenced fictional detective characters in the series. 

I'm just hoping any of this will make any sense or be of any importance to someone because of the time I took to revise this post.

[Laurell]

Uhm... I have watched again the English Teacher vs. Great Western Detective Episodes. And I noticed that in the end, when Hattori said that Jodie is suspicious, Conan remarked that there are other two suspicious people.

Now, my question is:
Those two people meant by Conan, are they Akai Shuuichi and Tomoaki Araide?
And if the other one is Tomoaki Araide, how did Conan become suspicious of him? I was thinking if the Bus Hi-jacking Case made him suspicious but I guess there's more to it. Hope you can help me figure out the reason behind.

P.S. Thanks for answering my previous question pages ago, Mr. Chek. 

[nomemory]

P.S. Thanks for answering my previous question pages ago, Ms. Chek. 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Uhm... I have watched again the English Teacher vs. Great Western Detective Episodes. And I noticed that in the end, when Hattori said that Jodie is suspicious, Conan remarked that there are other two suspicious people. Now, my question is: Those two people meant by Conan, are they Akai Shuuichi and Tomoaki Araide?

Yep.

And if the other one is Tomoaki Araide, how did Conan become suspicious of him? I was thinking if the Bus Hi-jacking Case made him suspicious but I guess there's more to it. Hope you can help me figure out the reason behind.

Araide has been hanging around and I'm sure Conan realized Jodie was clinging to him which was suspicious, but more importantly in file 336: Fallen flower vase case, Mouri's case records were stolen from the police department and then mysteriously returned. This winds up eventually being the clue that causes Conan to realize Araide is Vermouth: Jodie isn't in Mouri's case files at this point, Araide is. Vermouth needed the files to give proper testimony at the trial and to act correctly as Araide.

[Laurell]

Uhm... I have watched again the English Teacher vs. Great Western Detective Episodes. And I noticed that in the end, when Hattori said that Jodie is suspicious, Conan remarked that there are other two suspicious people. Now, my question is: Those two people meant by Conan, are they Akai Shuuichi and Tomoaki Araide?

Yep.

And if the other one is Tomoaki Araide, how did Conan become suspicious of him? I was thinking if the Bus Hi-jacking Case made him suspicious but I guess there's more to it. Hope you can help me figure out the reason behind.

Araide has been hanging around and I'm sure Conan realized Jodie was clinging to him which was suspicious, but more importantly in file 336: Fallen flower vase case, Mouri’s case records were stolen from the police department and then mysteriously returned. This winds up eventually being the clue that causes Conan to realize Araide is Vermouth: Jodie isn't in Mouri's case files at this point, Araide is. Vermouth needed the files to give proper testimony at the trial and to act correctly as Araide.

I understood it now, the reason why Araide is suspected. How about Akai?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I understood it now, the reason why Araide is suspected. How about Akai?

His behavior on the Bus Jack case seemed to tip Conan off after Ai said there was definitely someone from the Org on the bus. (V29-7.11) He said something about Akai Shuuichi on the bus in a later chapter which I can't find at the moment. Conan's suspicion of Akai is further confirmed when Conan notices Akai during the Panda case- and Haibara's strong negative reaction to Akai. I'll edit this post later when I get more info.

288: Conan didn't suspect an Org. member might after Haibara until 49 chapters later during the bus jack case where Haibara tips off Conan there may be an operative on the bus. Akai was on the bus.
326: Conan recognizes Akai from the Bus Jack 38 chapters ago making him wonder if it wasn't a coincidence Akai appeared again. Conan shielded Haibara from Akai's gaze as he passed a second time.
332: Conan worries the man with the beanie Ran saw was Akai (it was Makoto), demonstrating that Conan has begun show sensitivity to the prospect of someone investigating them.
336: Conan gets his first tangible proof someone is definitely after them, Takagi informs Conan all the records of Mouri's cases were stolen on the day of the bus hijack incident and later returned. He begins to wonder who the target is and suspects Akai may be behind the incident because of the timing. He doesn't tell Haibara about it when asked by her though, prompting the strangling monologue.

[User 4869]

Conan think of Akai's name in Panda case.("I think his name was Akai Shuichi") how he know it?. Problably takagi tell him because Conan did ask if there suspicious people on the bus .

when he mention about 2 suspisious people. I think about Akai, Jame and Araide but Jame role seem minimum (only one case before party showdow and only reader learn about his conversation with Akai in the end (with make them like being BO member))

Conan doesn't trust Akai at all. he step before (to protect) Ran in the dark footprint case prove it. not to mention he keep talking to Haibara (in the panda case) to distrace her and not let her spot Akai.

[WolfenAmphithere]

Araide has been hanging around and I'm sure Conan realized Jodie was clinging to him which was suspicious, but more importantly in file 336: Fallen flower vase case, Mouri’s case records were stolen from the police department and then mysteriously returned. This winds up eventually being the clue that causes Conan to realize Araide is Vermouth: Jodie isn't in Mouri's case files at this point, Araide is. Vermouth needed the files to give proper testimony at the trial and to act correctly as Araide.

Wait... I'm confused... why does Jodie not being in Kogoro's records mean anything at that point in terms of making Ariade suspicious?

[User 4869]

As Chekhov point out before, there only 2 people introduce themself into conan's dayly life which are Jodie and Araide.
and those two people are on the hijaked bus where Haibara insist there're BO member.

Conan also know Christ Vineyard is BO (she give handkerchief to Pisco) and Christ has ability to disguise as someone else (Sharon tell him).
Why steal Kogoro's record. One reason is to get information on them. Christ need it to be Araide but don't need it to be Jodie
This probably not ALL evidence point to Araide being Chirst but make him suspicious enough
Did Conan know for sure Araide is Christ? when Jodide pick Habara up at Agasa house, did Jodie already tell she's FBI and Conan (as Haibara at the time) tell her the information about Araide's father case to unmask Araide.

Although, Conan's conculsion about Christ being BO come later (after File's stolen)

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