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I seriously doubt he's that stupid. I mean, there were times when Conan drugged him right to his face. I think he pretends not to know to stroke his ego.

That does sound likely...and it would give him all the more reason to give Conan all those bops on the head! XD

Animeking1108 wrote: I seriously doubt he's that stupid. I mean, there were times when Conan drugged him right to his face. I think he pretends not to know to stroke his ego.

after all he Is the MIB Boss right????

I maybe do!

I think too that he isn't THAT stupid, although you can never underestimate Kogoro in stupidity.

But I don't think he wants to "stroke" Shinichi's ego, rather he actually understands that he is in some real trouble.

But still it is so hard to tell whether Kogoro knows about it or not.

Well let me quote myself

DthWa1ker wrote: To little chance to be Heizo, the Kogoro theory also makes you wonder just how stupid Kogoro is, maybe he just has the attention span of a hyperactive toddler, I mean just say Okino Yoko and he starts screaming Yooooookoooo-chan and forgetting everything else. On the other hand even if it was with Conan's help he did solve some cases before the police or noticed things Conan didn't, although I can only remember the later seems to happen only once in the manga noticing the culprit is the father, and not the lover, of his former classmate, in the anime and/or movies I believe there are some more...

Also we've seen him noticing that he get sleepy near Conan and when the investigation gets driven in a corner he suddenly spurts something that keeps it going forward, but the former was solved when Yoko appeared, as mentioned before his attention span is limited, and the later when he accidentally mixed two different kinds of photograph making him discard the idea and saying "a brat is a brat", something that he uses also with Goro, "a cat is a cat"

Although I posted this in another thread, I'll repost it here since it's relevant... Ignore it if you have seen it before.
While Kogoro might know Conan's identity, it could be the case that Kogoro only strongly suspects and waffles back and forth like Ran.

Arguments for Kogoro knowing:
1# As stupid as Kogoro can be sometimes, I’m sure he’s noticed Conan hanging around whenever he gets pricked by the needle. Conan calls him out to places in order to dart him and sometimes starts in on the bowtie before putting Kogoro to sleep. Also, it's suspicious that Kogoro hasn't sought any sort of professional help for sudden narcolepsy and memory loss.
2# Back in chapter 5 when Ran asked Kogoro if Conan could stay over at their house for the time being, he consented pretty quickly saying he got the feeling that with Conan around he would solve cases easily. This could easily be attributed to Gosho pushing the plot in order to move forward. A similar logic also applies for Kogoro allowing Conan and Ran to come on a lot of his investigations. The allowance could be to just push the plot.
3# Kogoro knows Shinichi from when he was a boy. There are also photo albums around so there is nothing stopping him from recognizing the similarity. In chapter 10.16 he feels like he’s seen Conan before around the time Ran was in grade school.
4# Kogoro starts questioning Conan’s incredible ability in (chap 11.13) When the criminal claims he is beaten by a kid, Kogoro immediately identifies the closest kid at hand… While Ran says no way, Kogoro doesn’t reject the possibility out loud. (12.16)
5# In 10.15, Conan makes the excuse that his parents who were in a hospital had then went overseas. In 33.03 Mouri asks when his parents will get back from America. How did he know Conan’s parents were in America? I Need to check translation quality for this. Based on the anime version of chap 10 (ep 38) America is not mentioned at all. (Note the ep. is out of order.)Confirmed by Ginrei that in the original japanese, Kogoro said "foreign country" instead of America. It's an unfortunate case of translation imprecision.
6# In The Desperate Revival arc (253.17), Ran says she has the same blood type as Conan’s after he is shot. Kogoro’s reaction is a little anomalous - “How do you know?” (translation from the anime ep 189) and a rather shocked look akin to Agasa's who is in on the secret. The manga doesn't get it across quite as well.

Arguments against Kogoro knowing:
#1 Obviously Kogoro doesn’t seem like he realizes Conan is Shinichi.
#2 Kogoro does on occasion suggest things like Ran and Conan take a bath together which seems to go against his overly protective nature. (File 251 thanks Abs.!)
#3 Kogoro let Conan go with his fake parents easily (49.06)

Nahhh.. I don't think so. It hasn't been hinted in the manga and Kogoro isn't suspicious of Conan is he? Kogoro can only solve cases when someone close to him is involved [that too with Conan's hints], I doubt he'll be able to figure out Conan's identity.

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Although I posted this in another thread, I'll repost it here since it's relevant... Ignore it if you have seen it before.
While Kogoro might know Conan's identity, it could be the case that Kogoro only strongly suspects and waffles back and forth like Ran.

Arguments for Kogoro knowing:
1# As stupid as Kogoro can be sometimes, I’m sure he’s noticed Conan hanging around whenever he gets pricked by the needle. Conan calls him out to places in order to dart him and sometimes starts in on the bowtie before putting Kogoro to sleep. Also, it's suspicious that Kogoro hasn't sought any sort of professional help for sudden narcolepsy and memory loss.
2# Back in chapter 5 when Ran asked Kogoro if Conan could stay over at their house for the time being, he consented pretty quickly saying he got the feeling that with Conan around he would solve cases easily. This could easily be attributed to Gosho pushing the plot in order to move forward. A similar logic also applies for Kogoro allowing Conan and Ran to come on a lot of his investigations. The allowance could be to just push the plot.
3# Kogoro knows Shinichi from when he was a boy. There are also photo albums around so there is nothing stopping him from recognizing the similarity. In chapter 10.16 he feels like he’s seen Conan before around the time Ran was in grade school.
4# Kogoro starts questioning Conan’s incredible ability in (chap 11.13) When the criminal claims he is beaten by a kid, Kogoro immediately identifies the closest kid at hand… While Ran says no way, Kogoro doesn’t reject the possibility out loud. (12.16)
5# In 10.15, Conan makes the excuse that his parents who were in a hospital had then went overseas. In 33.03 Mouri asks when his parents will get back from America. How did he know Conan’s parents were in America? I Need to check translation quality for this. Based on the anime version of chap 10 (ep 38) America is not mentioned at all. (Note the ep. is out of order.) Confirmed by Ginrei that in the original japanese, Kogoro said "foreign country" instead of America. It's an unfortunate case of translation imprecision.
6# In The Desperate Revival arc (253.17), Ran says she has the same blood type as Conan’s after he is shot. Kogoro’s reaction is a little anomalous - “How do you know?â€

First off, Kogoro isn't stupid. He was a highly succesful police detective and on cases where Conan has let him handle it, such as the hot springs case, he didn't so much need to be told things as have his memory prompted. Movie 9 isn't strictly canon but when he worked at the case there, he got it without Conan's help, and actually before him I think. He's just lazy, probably some sort of manifestation of depression down to losing his job and his wife in a short time span. When he works, he's as good as Conan, if not better.

I think he knows something's up with "Nemuri No Kogoro", but he doesn't want to think too hard about it in case it stops. I mean, it's getting him prestige and cash for little effort. I think he does know something screwy's up with Conan sometimes, but he pushes it to the back of his mind for the same reason that he doesn't think too deeply about the narcolepsy. Maybe he hopes that if he gets successful Eri will come back to him. Whatever the case, he's not going to ask too many questions any time soon.

sstimson wrote: I think I can refute two of your against Arguments.

#1 Obviously Kogoro doesn’t seem like he realizes Conan is Shinichi.

Just like Pisco remembered Ai from when she was a child, Kogoro must have know and seen Shinichi when he was a Kid. Remember this case Ep: 472-3 Adventure of Young Kudo Shinichi. the real question is has he put two and two together or not, and if not that does he have that bad of a memory.

#3 Kogoro let Conan go with his fake parents easily

Kogoro is always calling Conan a free loader. People come along who claim to be his parents. Kogoro see a way to get rid of the free loader and as I am sure he believes that a child belongs with his parents, that he would do exactly that. The way I see it Conan being given to his Parents has less to do with who is Conan and more to do with what is the right thing to do and getting rid of a freeloader.

Good points. With #1, I was pointing out that in general, Kogoro acts like Conan is not Shinichi and talks about Shinichi like he is absent. With #3, if Kogoro knew Conan was Shinichi but wasn't saying anything because he thinks Shinichi is in real danger, giving you away to random people would be a bad idea. - The counterpoint would be that he is familiar enough with Yukiko to pick her out without hesitation no matter the disguise.

mangaluva wrote: First off, Kogoro isn't stupid. He was a highly succesful police detective

Wait.  Where are you getting this from?  Every character from his police days that gets brought into the story comments about how he screwed up the cases back then, and that it's surprising now that he's a Great Detective.

sstimson wrote: I think I can refute two of your against Arguments.

#1 Obviously Kogoro doesn’t seem like he realizes Conan is Shinichi.

Just like Pisco remembered Ai from when she was a child, Kogoro must have know and seen Shinichi when he was a Kid. Remember this case Ep: 472-3 Adventure of Young Kudo Shinichi. the real question is has he put two and two together or not, and if not that does he have that bad of a memory.

But Conan is said to be a relative of Shinichi's family.  The resemblance between them isn't too farfetched.  For instance, I look a lot like my father's younger sister.  If a stranger saw us together, I'm sure they'd assume we were related in some way or form.

Abs. wrote:

mangaluva wrote: First off, Kogoro isn't stupid. He was a highly succesful police detective

Wait.  Where are you getting this from?  Every character from his police days that gets brought into the story comments about how he screwed up the cases back then, and that it's surprising now that he's a Great Detective.

Early on, Agasa comments that "He was a top-notch cop back in the day"; in flashbacks such as the case where Toichi appeared and in movie 2 (not strictly canon but whatever) he's not screwing up. Megure comments early on that "With you working under me, most of the cases went cold" but there's no further evidence to this; possibly it got stuck in because it fitted with his character as useless in the early volumes and Aoyama changed his opinion later on. Personally I feel that there's more evidence that he was good than against.

mangaluva wrote:

Abs. wrote:

mangaluva wrote: First off, Kogoro isn't stupid. He was a highly succesful police detective

Wait.  Where are you getting this from?  Every character from his police days that gets brought into the story comments about how he screwed up the cases back then, and that it's surprising now that he's a Great Detective.

Early on, Agasa comments that "He was a top-notch cop back in the day"; in flashbacks such as the case where Toichi appeared and in movie 2 (not strictly canon but whatever) he's not screwing up. Megure comments early on that "With you working under me, most of the cases went cold" but there's no further evidence to this; possibly it got stuck in because it fitted with his character as useless in the early volumes and Aoyama changed his opinion later on. Personally I feel that there's more evidence that he was good than against.

The only thing that can possibly rival Abs's knowledge is Chiyu-chan's awesomeness.

And actually, with Megure's comment...I think he was talking about when he was a detective and still in business. :/

No, absolutely not
In the first few chapters, Kogoro suspected Conan, but not anymore..