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Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (theor

Posted: September 18th, 2009, 7:59 am
by Abs.
1. Vermouth is Chianti's mother (it's Chianti's attitude towards Vermouth, and the "it seems that my daughter has fallen in with some bad people" line Sharon gave Yukiko-tachi in New York)
2. Vermouth is Sherry's mother (I wish)
3. Vermouth is That Person's daughter (possible)
4. Vermouth is That Person's lover (what most people are thinking)
5. Some combination of the above.
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Please, feel free to add or detract.

Re: Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (t

Posted: September 18th, 2009, 9:24 am
by ginoro
LOL.
Fisrt, I think she's Gin's, well, ya know, not girlfriend, but, well X333... a little
and it's possible that she's anokata's daughter ^^ *I myself believe so*
maybe somehow Sharon died and passed on her stuff, so that young Chris could continue being both of them XP

Re: Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (t

Posted: September 20th, 2009, 2:14 pm
by Korn
vermouth can't possibly be a mother.. she's still to young.. and too sexy

Re: Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (t

Posted: September 20th, 2009, 8:46 pm
by Abs.
Korn wrote: vermouth can't possibly be a mother.. she's still to young.. and too sexy
Doesn't. Age.

Re: Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (t

Posted: September 20th, 2009, 10:37 pm
by kirite
If Vermouth is Chanti's mother then technically speaking Chanti is Chris.  Chris is a famous actress, even more successful then Sharon...Chanti doesn't seem like big breasted famous actress material xD.

If Vermouth is Haibara's mother that would be she'll be a scientist AND learning disguises at Toichi's with Yukiko.  I don't think they'll allow her so much freedom to be America's most famous actress.

It's possible that Vermouth is "that person's" daughter.  That would explain a few moral dilemas.  But if she was related to that person I think she would rebel against him more.

As for that person's lover then that means she either had an affair or that person is her "dead" husband.  Which would make the flashback to her daughter disguising herself as him during the funeral as kinda strange. 

As with Gin he has this thing about not digging evil chicks even though he's a heartless bastard (with sephiroth hair et etc).   

Re: Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (t

Posted: September 20th, 2009, 11:12 pm
by Chekhov MacGuffin
kirite wrote: As with Gin he has this thing about not digging evil chicks even though he's a heartless bastard (with sephiroth hair et etc).    
Sephiroth has Gin hair. Gin pre-dates that wannabe by 3 years. ;)

Re: Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (t

Posted: September 20th, 2009, 11:14 pm
by Abs.
kirite wrote: If Vermouth is Chanti's mother then technically speaking Chanti is Chris.  Chris is a famous actress, even more successful then Sharon...Chanti doesn't seem like big breasted famous actress material xD.
We never know!  She's all got her hair cut short, that weird eye stuff on her left eye, and wearing the unflattering jumpsuit-looking-what-the-HELL-is-with-that-getup-anyway. 

OR, Chianti could still be Vermouth's daughter, but "famous actress Chris" - a separate entity - would just be Vermouth.  (I can't think of any reason why Sharon would create "famous actress Chris" before she took APTX-4869.. basically what I'm saying is that Vermouth disguised older to keep "Sharon" alive, not the other way around.)  If "famous actress Chris" was always Vermouth, it would make sense that she was more successful than Sharon, because... well, she has the experience of Sharon, at a "younger" age.
kirite wrote: If Vermouth is Haibara's mother that would be she'll be a scientist AND learning disguises at Toichi's with Yukiko.  I don't think they'll allow her so much freedom to be America's most famous actress.
Same argument, Vermouth could still be Haibara's mother even if she wasn't Elena. 

OR, who said that Elena had to be doing the nitty-gritty science work all the time?
kirite wrote: It's possible that Vermouth is "that person's" daughter.  That would explain a few moral dilemas.  But if she was related to that person I think she would rebel against him more.
Who says she's not rebelling enough?
kirite wrote: As for that person's lover then that means she either had an affair or that person is her "dead" husband.  Which would make the flashback to her daughter disguising herself as him during the funeral as kinda strange. 
That whole flashback is "kinda strange," no matter how you think of it.  If Vermouth, Chris, and Sharon are the same person, then the flashback had to be a lie.

Let's say that Sharon's "dead husband" actually existed (and was actually dead at the time of the funeral).  Who's to say that any intimate relations with That Person didn't start until after "dead husband" died?

Not so convinced "dead husband" actually existed.. otherwise why would the reporter at Sharon's "funeral" ask "Chris" who her father was?  The obvious answer would be "dead husband."  Unless the timeline didn't match up.  Whole thing is fishy if you ask me.
kirite wrote: As with Gin he has this thing about not digging evil chicks even though he's a heartless bastard (with sephiroth hair et etc).   
We don't know for sure who Gin "digs" at this point!  It could be Vodka for all we know.  Vermouth could have been giving him a subtle jab about his orientation with that "Martini" crack.  Come on, how many straight guys do you know that keep their super-long hair that well maintained?  ...excluding Akai "Moroboshi Dai" Shuuichi (assuming he's straight)

OR, MAYBE GIN IS ACTUALLY A WOMAN!  And she rejected Akai!  And Vermouth is a lesbian!  ;D

Re: Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (t

Posted: September 20th, 2009, 11:16 pm
by takiko
Vermouth is better as Anokata's daughter than lover. For me.

Re: Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (t

Posted: September 20th, 2009, 11:28 pm
by Chekhov MacGuffin
Abs. wrote: We don't know for sure who Gin "digs" at this point!  It could be Vodka for all we know.  Vermouth could have been giving him a subtle jab about his orientation with that "Martini" crack.  Come on, how many straight guys do you know that keep their super-long hair that well maintained?  ...excluding Akai "Moroboshi Dai" Shuuichi (assuming he's straight)

OR, MAYBE GIN IS ACTUALLY A WOMAN!  And she rejected Akai!  And Vermouth is a lesbian!   ;D
My pet theory about Gin's hair is it naturally sticks up like crazy, and everyone couldn't resist ruffling it when he was a kid which irritated him, so he grew it out long so it would lie flat. He doesn't want to cut it because then it would stick out like crazy from under his hat like mafia Einstein. Everyone would be too busy laughing to take him seriously. As proof, look at how gravity defiant his bangs are and try to imagine what it would look like without his hat on. Pinwheel hair for sure!
Spoiler:
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Re: Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (t

Posted: September 20th, 2009, 11:48 pm
by Abs.
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: My pet theory about Gin's hair is it naturally sticks up like crazy, and everyone couldn't resist ruffling it when he was a kid which irritated him, so he grew it out long so it would lie flat. He doesn't want to cut it because then it would stick out like crazy from under his hat like mafia Einstein. Everyone would be too busy laughing to take him seriously. As proof, look at how gravity defiant his bangs are and try to imagine what it would look like without his hat on. Pinwheel hair for sure!
Spoiler:
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So, the way to defeat the organization is to shoot off Gin's hat, resulting in pinwheel hair, resulting in all the other organization members starting to laugh hysterically at Gin, leading to him shooting them all in their stupid heads, and then he'll disappear forever (but actually he shaved his head and is now a new villain named Khat.)

I like it.

Re: Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (t

Posted: September 25th, 2009, 4:48 am
by Abs.
So as for Vermouth and Chianti, we're just going to leave it as Chianti's pissed at Vermouth for getting Calvados killed?  No "Mom doesn't like your new boyfriend, so Mom's going to have him help Mom out on a mission that may lead to his death" possibility?

Also, the anime makes Korn seem retarded.  He... speaks... too... slowly.

Re: Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (t

Posted: September 25th, 2009, 5:08 am
by Kor
Abs. wrote: So as for Vermouth and Chianti, we're just going to leave it as Chianti's pissed at Vermouth for getting Calvados killed?  No "Mom doesn't like your new boyfriend, so Mom's going to have him help Mom out on a mission that may lead to his death" possibility?

Also, the anime makes Korn seem retarded.  He... speaks... too... slowly.
Didn't you hear about the budget problems? They had to let go of Kogoro's VA and they started to save already with Korn. He doesn't talk much so they don't have to pay him too much. Also, he speaks so slowly so he'll get the same screen time (when a character talks) like Chianti  ;D

Re: Vermouth's relationships w/other organization members (t

Posted: September 26th, 2009, 7:10 am
by strongboy
as i know Vermouth is Sharon and Chris, she take 2 role